Advice on what to buy for newcomers

[Sense Field]

The choir singing in the background while reading that post is beautiful. Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.

For others who don't seem to get it that eGo is not a one-size-fits-all:

Stop sending people asking for Chinese food to Taco Bell.

Thanks man...that's a great analogy.

I'm almost a year vaping and I must say...having just started using eGo style batteries...I still feel that it looks weird when I'm out. I think that when offering advice...it's important to remember that not only is the Journey fun...but it's essential. People have to move from smaller devices to bigger ones. Even a 510 is a hard sell in my opinion because of how messy a 3 piece can be. I started doing reviews because I was lead in so many wrong directions both because of fake review sites and these boards.

They WILL get tired of charging batteries, just like me which is why I use Mods which is made from battery boxes which is so far away from what most will be willing to use starting out because it looks like a battery box.
The advice was to save them money, which we all want to do even when it's stated that price is no object.

Charging batteries can be something that is unnoticeable if you use a good PCC. I'm a big GreenCig fan...when I use that unit, I put the battery in the PCC to charge between uses. It never really becomes a problem and the PCC lasts two days, which is longer then an eGo batter.

I think what happened to you is that this became a hobby. That's not going to happen to everyone. It happened to me...but lots of people I know just want to pick something up and roll. They don't want to be bothered with refilling...and they don't want to get juice all of their hands. $2-$3 for a carto is nothing compared to $6.50 a pack. They want it to be as simple as smoking was...and if it's not...they won't follow through with the switch to vaping.

Just my opinion.

 

[Firefly13]

Thanks man...that's a great analogy.

I'm almost a year vaping and I must say...having just started using eGo style batteries...I still feel that it looks weird when I'm out. I think that when offering advice...it's important to remember that not only is the Journey fun...but it's essential. People have to move from smaller devices to bigger ones. Even a 510 is a hard sell in my opinion because of how messy a 3 piece can be. I started doing reviews because I was lead in so many wrong directions both because of fake review sites and these boards.



Charging batteries can be something that is unnoticeable if you use a good PCC. I'm a big GreenCig fan...when I use that unit, I put the battery in the PCC to charge between uses. It never really becomes a problem and the PCC lasts two days, which is longer then an eGo batter.

I think what happened to you is that this became a hobby. That's not going to happen to everyone. It happened to me...but lots of people I know just want to pick something up and roll. They don't want to be bothered with refilling...and they don't want to get juice all of their hands. $2-$3 for a carto is nothing compared to $6.50 a pack. They want it to be as simple as smoking was...and if it's not...they won't follow through with the switch to vaping.

Just my opinion.

People also have a misconception that cartomizers are still crap, the old KR8 ones were pretty terrible for vapor production, that's why the 510 held it's place for so long even though it had crap battery life, but now Boge made the new style cartos for KR8 (they call it 302D) they vape like a champ and when i show people the differences between the 2 in person they are gobsmacked. I will love the KR8 forever.

 

[Goldenkobold]

Hah,
I have long thought the eGo crowd on the newbie forum was a bit fanatical and in some cases blind to the questions being asked.
Someone would come on saying they wanted a black cig maybe slightly longer than an normal sized analog with a front led that glows blue...and people would say get an eGo. A device which satisfies 0 of the proposed requirements or, as someone pointed out, they would say they needed their hands free because they are a mechanic and not only were the ego fanboys recommending an eGo but someone on that thread had the gall to tell him he needed to change his habits to accommodate the ego, as opposed to finding a PV that accommodated his habits.

Of course we like the big batteries they are cool but they are not for everyone. Some of the people recommending the eGo have never tried a kr808 have never tried a mod have never tried anything but the blu and MAYBE a auto 510 mini size.

 

[BradSmith]

I can see both sides of this. I got most of my friends hooked on 510's and kr8's. I started on a 510 and quickly moved up to box mods. Most of my friends either went back to cigs or are using box mods I made for them. The small battery just wasn't enough for them to use efficiently often enough to be a real replacement for them or me. I say if someone really wan'ts a small model then fine they can always move up to a mod later. I don't care for the Ego because the switch can go out on them if you use a LR atty.

 

[guitardedmark]

again i just read a newbs question asking for something that looks like an analog because they only smoke socially and both responses were "buy an ego".

can people stop pushing what they like on all the new users and actually pay attention to what the user is looking for? we may as well just pull down the site and put up a page that merely says "buy an ego. it doesn't matter what you want".

sorry if i'm beating a dead horse but come on, what use would somebody who wants an analog look-alike for when they smoke socially have with an ego? not everything is one size fits all.

Amen! I almost gave up on the vaping because I didnt and DONT want an EGO. I got lucky and bought a 510 and I've been VERY happy. Some people are so stuck on themselves. 95% of the responses to a newb asking for something that is like an analog i see the reponse "get an ego". This is by far my #1 issue with this forum. Just pure ignorance...

 

[BlackMetalBuick]

As a recent n00b, I did experience the constant eGo recommendations, but I understand why. I did come in saying I liked the slim/standard sized products, and although it's a silly feature, I liked the option of the different colored LEDs on the end. But, once people figured out how much I smoke, and how often I would be vaping, the eGo suggestions started rolling in. But it didn't really bother me. The main point people tried to get across was that many of them had started out with standard 510s, and then incurred an additional expense when they decided they would like something with a bigger battery and better vapor production. Most of what I saw was a lot of "I wish I had purchased the eGo in the first place". And thanks to everyone's suggestions, I ended up learning the benefits of the "fat batt" models, and ended up getting my Inferno.

I don't think it's so much that people are fanatical about the eGo and they want to push it on people regardless of what they come here asking about, they're just trying to convince these people that a few weeks down the line, your slim ecig and constant battery charging will get annoying and you'll end up making a second purchase anyway.

 

[wv2win]

It just occurs to me from reading some of the posts in this thread...

It is quite possible that many people don't know what it is like to be a very light smoker.
And it would probably never occur to them that a 510 battery can last a lot longer than they think.

I only used to smoke about 5 cigarettes per day, on average, before I started vaping.
And I used my 510s for about three months before I decided to buy a Chuck because I wanted something custom.

But if it weren't for the customization, I really had no interest or need to move up.
That's because two batteries would easily last me all day, and I sometimes made it though a whole day on just one battery.

A 510 with a PCC would be just fine for a lot of people.
And some might not even need the PCC either.

I remember a couple of months ago a newb asking for advice and stating they only smoke about 5-10 analogs a day. I recommended a regular 510 for that reason. Some others were telling them to get a Blu. Even for a light smoker I could never bring myself to recommend a clearly inferior device. I think another poster on here mentioned "going with the odds". I agree with that thought because for every one post I read where someone states they were satisfied with a device like the Blu, I read 100 that are the exact opposite. And those are just the ones who stick with it and move to a better device. I bet there are thousands more who tried an SE or Blu, decided it was a costly gimmick and are still smoking.

 

[wv2win]

...............I don't think it's so much that people are fanatical about the eGo and they want to push it on people regardless of what they come here asking about, they're just trying to convince these people that a few weeks down the line, your slim ecig and constant battery charging will get annoying and you'll end up making a second purchase anyway.

I believe your point is on the mark. Also, I don't think it is "just pushing a particular device" but instead people with good intentions wanting to help a new person avoid their pitfalls that cost them more money and frustration. And let's get real here, the person asking the advice still has "free will" and unless they are completely lazy should be doing additional research before making their decision. And if they make the wrong decision, well, then, JOIN THE CLUB!

 

[asti]

In the beginning....I read this forum for three days, then joined up so I could participate.

Being a funny sort, I actually bothered to READ the stickies and watch the vid's posted - not that I understood anything directly, but I did over time.... I WAS one of those thinking it had to light up at the end, but seeing as I smoked lil cigars - it didn't have to be white, LOL

Since researching about something of interest to me is a past-time, no problems ordering an ego - on hindsight, which I had grabbed a riva instead, because ya know that xtr 100 mah...

I have seen and already commented on the fact that sometimes an OP's statements aren't addressed quite completely - or are answered in a knee-jerk form that rather surprises me in some situations.
On the other hand, taking a huge step back and looking at the big picture - TONS of people run into this forum and more than a few just hold out their hand and say gimme! so yes, I can see how a cookie-cutter answer becomes routine for some.

 

[StarsAndBars]

I think its just because when you just start vaping, there is a shload of information to process and compare. Different attys, batteries, juices, TH ( what the $%^& is TH? or an atty?). It almost has to become a hobby for a couple of weeks for you to have a clue what your doing. It would take all day to discuss the different subtleties of each device and what makes them different. Most 'cookie cutter' answers are designed I think to recommend a decent 'middle of the road' device.

I think when people recommend a certain device, what they are really doing is saying "Hey 9 out of 10 people really enjoy this device so there is a 90 percent chance you will to.

All you folks defending your minis ( if there is such a need ) are the exception. Nothing wrong with that, but when giving a recommendation, you don't recommend what is ideal 10 percent of the time....

Honestly if a noob were to ask me where to find a 'good analog looking device,' I wouldn't know what to say. I'd probably have to tell them the technology doesn't exist yet. I guess the difference here is to me, the term 'good' brings to mind Vapor production, reliability, ease of use, battery life.... those kind of things. If your definition isn't the same, then I would have no advice to give.

 

[SimpleSins]

I have to agree with the OP. There are seemingly a couple rote answers to questions in the new members forum with no consideration of the original question. I started with an eGo a few months ago and even "graduated" up to a battery mod, but now I'm finding myself drawn more and more to the cigarette-sized automatics- the 510s and the KR808s. I'm not really sure I understand the whole issue with changing batteries- it's not like you're changing a tire; this isn't much more effort than taking the cap off a pen. It's actually so bad that you can't get a lot of information about the small automatics; crickets chirp or someone says they'll be unhappy with it and get an eGo.

And, in a somewhat related note, I think many of the eGo-ish PVs are as good as the eGo itself. Somebody that has been around may know that that the -ish part is intended, but a newbie may not be aware that the Riva is every bit as good a choice (and one I actually prefer) but for considerably less.

I think there are just a lot of people out there vaping special KoolAid, and those of you who do strive to answer questions based on the OPs desires rather than your own, keep up the good work!!

 

[sbphotog]

I started out on a Njoy RN4081 model and it was a great starter model that I would recommend to someone thats looking the cigarette look. It wasn't long before I moved up to other models, and it may or may not be the same for them. Until they ask advise on other models, give them what they are asking for currently and recommend cigarette style models. I love my eGo just as much as anyone else, but I'm not gonna say "just get an ego", if it's not what they are looking for.

 

[medic123]

I started out with a 808, one each for me my my husband. After a couple of weeks of reading I thought, I'll be nice and buy my husband an EGO. He took it to work came home and said throw this in the garbage, I bought a pack of cigarettes today. He didn't have the time to keep filling the carts and burned up his atty. I cleaned the atty and still use the EGO once in a while at home, but we both always go back to the 808. That is why I always recommend an 808 to a newbie. If we had started with an EGO we would be back on cigarettes now.

 

[StarsAndBars]

All of you trying to be novel are keeping mall kiosks, and companies like Blu in business. On the plus side, you are also helping keep drawers across the world stuffed with cheap toy cigs that will barely be used, as well as probably turning quite a few noobs away from vaping and back to the cig. Big ups for originality though.

 

[guitardedmark]

All of you trying to be novel are keeping mall kiosks, and companies like Blu in business. On the plus side, you are also helping keep drawers across the world stuffed with cheap toy cigs that will barely be used, as well as probably turning quite a few noobs away from vaping and back to the cig. Big ups for originality though.

Generalizing much?

 

[StarsAndBars]

Generalizing much?

No, just having fun. But it's true.

 

[Spills]

Everyone calm down....ok feel better?
NOW GO BUY AN EGO!!!!

 

[Big Hitter]

I think part of the problem in that particular thread is the term "social smoker". WTF doest that mean?

Does it really have anything to do with how much one smokes or just where they smoke.

I'm around people all day so when I smoked two packs a day I guess they were all social cigs.

The correct thing would have been clarifying how much they smoked. If it more than 5 cigs a day then yes save the first step and jump to step two.....the eGo.

 

[markfm]

Standard length 510s and 808s aren't something I've heard of in the mall kiosks -- it would be sweet if they were there.
An 808 XL or standard auto with a fresh carto makes a nice loaner for friends interested in trying it out, people who would laugh if offered a manual eGo. A lot of people just want something that's pretty similar to a cig, an easy to use nicotine delivery system giving flavor and vapor, usable for several hours before you need to change a battery or carto.

 

[guitardedmark]

No, just having fun. But it's true.

There are people that buy analog-like e-cigs from mall kiosks that are junk and later upgrade to an ego. There are also people like me that prefer 2 510 batteries with a PCC over an ego and I'm very glad I didn't listen to the "get an ego" BS.

It's hard for anyone to follow up "all of you..." with a intellectually considerable argument

All of you trying to be novel are keeping mall kiosks, and companies like Blu in business. On the plus side, you are also helping keep drawers across the world stuffed with cheap toy cigs that will barely be used, as well as probably turning quite a few noobs away from vaping and back to the cig. Big ups for originality though.