AGA-T+, I'm irritated, what the hell? (VAMO Qs as well)

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Dana G Birrell

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I asked for some advice on what atties to get for my eGO batteries, and while searching I decided to go from my Vision to a VAMO V2 and an AGA-T+. Thank god I got an A7 as well, because I crushed the threads on my vision on accident two nights ago.

As for the wick. I'm pretty sure I'm doing a good job on rolling wicks. It took me 2 minutes to get my first SS wick rolled, I noticed there were some silly creases in it, so I pitched it and rolled a second one. This one took me even less time, had no creases (as this time I used a long, really thing screw driver to guide the initial roll) and was tight. Though, not sure if I'm cutting these properly, what measurements do you guys use for your 500x500 mesh? Mine came out a little bit thing, had to roll it backwards in my finger tips a few light rolls to get it to fit snug against my coils.

Now, for coils. I am getting one hell of a nasty burnt hit on these coils. I have noticed that I'm (sometimes) getting a hot spot from the center post to the wick. And when I say hot, I mean it glows orange, no not red, orange. Shortly after pressing the button, almost instantly as it glows orange, the damn thing breaks. Now, I would assume that this happens because the coil is wrapped too snug around the wick, and the wire that is running from the wick to the center post is exposed to more oxygen, thus burns much hotter. Is this correct?

Also, this device seems to be poorly designed, that or I'm a damn idiot and I was hooking a coil in incorrectly.

This device has five protrusions coming from the inside, 3 screws, the positive and negative post. the negative post has a small hole near the mid point which I would assume is meant to take one end of the coil. This post, however looks to be installed facing the wrong direction. Instead of facing directly towards where the coil would be, it's at about a 60 degree angle, making having a tight line to the negative post from the coil difficult as hell. Not only is it difficult to get to, but it runs on top of a screw as well, which I'm sure has something to do with the resistance readings I'm getting around 1.2 - constantly.

As for wire gauges used, I have 28 and 32. I've had better luck with 32, but I've had more coils explode on me from the positive post using 32. With 28, I tend to get much MUCH lower ohm raitings. With both coils, I'm wrapping 5/6 coils and spacing them as best as possible. Even when (mostly) eliminating hotspots, I'm dropping below 1.2 ohms and getting extremely terrible burnt tastes.

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A lot of it is the oxidation of the wick man.
I'll help you, as I'm not worn out by this yet...
A torch or gas stove is needed. People that do it with butane lighters are crazy.
Roll it, oxidized or un-oxidized...burn the heck out of the top half, really no need to ox. the whole thing, actually opens it up to rust more when cleaning.

Then wrap a coil around it, not too tight but certainly not loose. Now here is what I don't see, much of at all...take that coiled wick and burn the life out of the top half with the coil. You want a good, oxidized bond. Now, even though it's a VAMO, turn it on LOW, but pulse that power until you see all your coils glow, from the center out first.
You are trying to throw even more oxidation onto that coiled wick.

Dude, take it from me, I wanted to spike the AGA-+/t2 like a football...but I kept with it. So glad I did as I just ordered an AGI Hybrid.

We are here man...stick it out, the aga is a flavor beast.
 
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Alright, as for the oxidized wick. I burned the hell out of it with a torch. I did not. however oxidize the coil. Will oxidizing the coil help to keep the coils from "touching" each other even though they touch? This occured to me earlier in the day, but not realizing I have a stronger battery now that will be able to work past the already oxidized coil, I didn't do it. I'm assuming this will help keep my resistance constant even when my coils start deforming due to constant heating/cooling. Will try this tomorrow.
 
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Dana, can you post a picture of your set up?

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Ugh I am having problems to, just got my aga-t2 yesterday, got new mesh and wire today. I had it working pretty good with the mesh and wire that came with the aga itself, pretty decent i guess...but i took it all apart because i wanted to use my 500 ss mesh that came today and kanthal, since i think it comes with nichrome. Now for the life of me I can't get all the coils to light up after I wrap the mesh. I think I am either not oxidizing the mesh enough, or not rolling it tight enough.

How the hell do you guys roll the mesh to get it so tight? I seriously have to fight with it for like 20 minutes to get it to even fit in the hole, and when it finally does it is pretty tight. I saw busardo's video, watched it a lot of times, but I just can't figure out what the hell he he doing when he is rolling the mesh. it looks like he is just turning it in his fingers and somehow it is getting smaller, but mine never gets small enough when i do it that way....maybe i am using to big a piece? what size is good for a stock aga-t2 hole?

also how do you know when it is oxidized enough? i am just using a lighter to be honest, like a barbecue lighter. is that not hot enough? maybe i should use my stove? it isn't really black...more blue to be honest.
 
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Ugh I am having problems to, just got my aga-t2 yesterday, got new mesh and wire today. I had it working pretty good with the mesh and wire that came with the aga itself, pretty decent i guess...but i took it all apart because i wanted to use my 500 ss mesh that came today and kanthal, since i think it comes with nichrome. Now for the life of me I can't get all the coils to light up after I wrap the mesh. I think I am either not oxidizing the mesh enough, or not rolling it tight enough.

How the hell do you guys roll the mesh to get it so tight? I seriously have to fight with it for like 20 minutes to get it to even fit in the hole, and when it finally does it is pretty tight. I saw busardo's video, watched it a lot of times, but I just can't figure out what the hell he he doing when he is rolling the mesh. it looks like he is just turning it in his fingers and somehow it is getting smaller, but mine never gets small enough when i do it that way....maybe i am using to big a piece? what size is good for a stock aga-t2 hole?

also how do you know when it is oxidized enough? i am just using a lighter to be honest, like a barbecue lighter. is that not hot enough? maybe i should use my stove? it isn't really black...more blue to be honest.

Rolling a thick SS mesh wick - YouTube

Check this video out man, this is a quick amazing way to roll mesh

I've watched over 30 videos on mesh wicks, and coils today. Problem with me is, I don't really understand the dumbed down how-to videos, I need someone to tell me why things needs to happen the way they do.
 

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IMG_0227.jpgIMG_0228.jpgIt looks to me like you have to many wraps with your coil and i use the screw on the other side of the wick. i would try the 32g with like 4 wraps that will be easier for you to space your wraps more evenly. I keep test firing while I move the coil spacing around untill the coil glows evenly. I trim the wick off even with the center post and I have a slight tube like wick that is open thru the middle like a straw. I also cut a angel on the bottom of the wick. This may not be how everyone does it but seems to work really well for me on my AGA-t+ hope it helps
 

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Thank you, when a coil glows from the wick to the post, does that mean the coil is too tight around the wick?

I'm pretty sure it is supposed to glow from the wick to the post... but hey what do I know lol. I made a pretty good wick this time I think...I definitely wasn't oxidizing it enough before, now it is black as night, before it was like blue...I thought I wound a pretty damn good coil also, it is spaced really nice, but I can't get all the damn coils to light up the same!! ARGH!!...dont know why there is hot spots :/
 

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So, we're hitting that phillips then. I did try that as well, but that makes more sense due to more area for the coil! What the hell is the post with the screw in it for then? I'm better off using 28 gauge, not 32 correct?

The post with the hole is used for wrapping "horizontal" coils... like if you were going to wrap a "u" wick. Most people don't use it though and just wrap the coil for the "u" wick the same as a straight wick, like you're trying to do.

I cannot really recommend a wire gauge because it all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. But from the looks of your coil, with so many wraps, you're going to be fighting hot spots until you learn how to wrap correctly. Really, the best thing is to watch some videos. There are a ton of AGA-T tutorials on youtube.
 

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Here is my coil and wick right now....pain in the ..., it looks pretty nice though if I do say so myself. Damn hotspots. I don't understand why there would be hot spots with this coil. Sorry pics are sideways for some reason.

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Also Dana, the post I have my negative hooked up to is the one you are supposed to use...try using that one instead.

Edit: OMG I just dropped my evic and the aga like 2 feet trying to take those pics...so i just fired it up to try to fix the hotspots and somehow the fall made all the coils light up perfect! lol, so drop your aga and itll get rid of hotspots.
 
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Here is my coil and wick right now....pain in the ..., it looks pretty nice though if I do say so myself. Damn hotspots. I don't understand why there would be hot spots with this coil. Sorry pics are sideways for some reason.

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Also Dana, the post I have my negative hooked up to is the one you are supposed to use...try using that one instead.

Edit: OMG I just dropped my evic and the aga like 2 feet trying to take those pics...so i just fired it up to try to fix the hotspots and somehow the fall made all the coils light up perfect! lol, so drop your aga and itll get rid of hotspots.

Just used that screw, and man no more, if not not nearly as much of a burnt taste! Still getting a slight hot spot from the top of the coil to the center post. I just lightly wrapped the coil directly around my wick, and it's vaping!

Just an obvious question but it happens a lot, did you change your vamo from avg mode to rms mode when it arrived?

Yeah, I changed the mode as per a few videos I saw. Not entirely sure what each mode does though. Just googled it, and have a better understanding.
 

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The coils look good to me assuming that's 32awg. The wick looks good also.

The heating wire looks kinda shiny, did you flame it before coiling? If not, hold it ever so carefully over a lighter down the length to get it to turn dull orange 2 or 3 times. It'll turn blueish grey. Kanthal tastes like poop if you don't burn it clean.

Also make sure your wick is nice and clean going in before the coil and wrap the coil with clean hands to not impart any finger gunk. I personally go straight from flame to metal dish, then from metal dish to the rba with a clean pair of hemostats and try to never touch the wick.

If you get a lot of hotspots and the coil wont pulse out very well I've found starting with a watered wick into torch worked pretty well. You'll see big orange plumes as the water burns off that I can only assume is a decent layer of insulation forming. Take dry wick, make wet, torch.

One last tip if you do like using Stainless, wire rope is pretty much easymode as far as wicks go. Get 316 Stainless 7x7 3/32nd from wherever you can find it (Not Galvanized). Cut to 1.5", Torch, Quench, Torch, let air cool. Make a small diaper out of 1cmx2cm or so stainless mesh, wrap a tip to make a stainless q-tip basically. Get it wet, torch it and air cool one more time. Coil goes onto mesh.
 
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