AGA T2 with SS MESH ?

[evan le'garde]

I cannot ,for the life of me, get this bloody thing to work. It's impossible to prevent the mesh from touching the edge of the hole it sits in so it shorts out the coil every time. If you told me yours works fine i'd probably say your joking with me. If you're serious then tell me how to stop the mesh from touching the edge of the hole ?. There's nothing wrong with the coil/s i've made, they glow even from top to bottom. As soon as i insert the mesh and it touches the coil it shorts with a hot spot at the top. I've tried rolling the mesh loose, rolling it tight, rolling it round a paper clip. I've oxidised the mesh correctly too. There's one problem and one problem only, and that's when the mesh contacts the hole it's in.

It's a joke !

 

[Lessifer]

If you're getting a short anywhere, it's a problem with your coil shorting on your wick, not the wick touching the wick hole. A properly built coil and wick shouldn't be sending any current through the wick itself, therefore you shouldn't be getting a short no matter what your wick is touching. If your wick is oxidized, try running a lighter over your coil before inserting the wick. Also make sure there are no frayed edges of the wick that coil might be touching, and possibly your coil is too tight on the wick.

 

[Lessifer]

Also, I gave up on ss mesh a while back just because it's too much of a pain to work with. I can get it working, but it takes too much poking/prodding/effort when other wick materials are so hassle free.

 

[evan le'garde]

Also, I gave up on ss mesh a while back just because it's too much of a pain to work with. I can get it working, but it takes too much poking/prodding/effort when other wick materials are so hassle free.

So, it isn't worth the bother then. Maybe i should just get some silica.

 

[Lessifer]

So, it isn't worth the bother then. Maybe i should just get some silica.

Some people really like SS mesh, and I do taste a difference between SS mesh, silica and cotton but I wouldn't say any is better than the others just different. I have one of my attys set up with mesh and I like that it's been going strong for weeks and I haven't had to mess with it or change the wick/coil, but I didn't set it up. It's an aga-t2 and a friend set it up for me, when I bought it off him. Maybe try some other methods, look up petar k, or I think maybe baditude has a good blog on setting up mesh wicks(might be a different user).

I've converted my other aga-t2 to a micro coil with cotton wick, and I'm loving it, so that's an option too.


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[evan le'garde]

Without looking him up doesn't peter k profess the drill bit method ?. That's what i've been doing but have the same results when the wick is inserted. Put it this way, I managed to set it up and the coil had no hot spots with the wick in, glowed evenly etc, incidentally it still didn't produce much vapour, but the slightest movement of the wick messed it up and it returned to the hot spot at the top, you know, between the centre post and the wick. I have literally tried everything !. It just isn't worth the trouble and time.

 

[Lessifer]

Yeah petar k is the drill bit method, his full method is a bit more involved though, I never really looked too far into it. Do you fold the outer edge of your mesh when you wrap it, so there's no frayed edge? I'm really far from being an expert with ss mesh. If you could post a pic of what you have set up, someone might come along with some more pointers.

If you want to try out silica, check out this vid, it's a really easy setup and you can wrap and vape in no time. Tutorial: Silica Wick on a Zenesis ASH - YouTube

Or you can go the micro/cotton route

 

[WattWick]

It takes some effort and a lot of cursing to learn. But, once you got it, you got it.

I'd advice you to read eHumans guide

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ly-opportunities-hone-your-skills-part-1.html

Sounds like your wick moves around, which it really shouldn't. Your coils should be tight enough to keep the wick in place, but not so tight they bite into it.

Give it a couple tries every now and then and you'll get it eventually. No need to sweat it. If you don't like tinkering with your gear, SS mesh is perfect for you. Unfortunately, learning how to use it isn't. I forced myself through the learning process to avoid having to fiddle, curse at and adjust my gear all day every day.

 

[Lessifer]

It takes some effort and a lot of cursing to learn. But, once you got it, you got it.

I'd advice you to read eHumans guide

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ly-opportunities-hone-your-skills-part-1.html

Sounds like your wick moves around, which it really shouldn't. Your coils should be tight enough to keep the wick in place, but not so tight they bite into it.

Give it a couple tries every now and then and you'll get it eventually. No need to sweat it. If you don't like tinkering with your gear, SS mesh is perfect for you. Unfortunately, learning how to use it isn't. I forced myself through the learning process to avoid having to fiddle, curse at and adjust my gear all day every day.

Thanks WattWick, that's the guide I was thinking of, I couldn't remember who wrote it.

 

[evan le'garde]

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It reads 2.8 ohms. Can't really get any vapour. Set up using the drill bit method. Still a bit sensitive and not really lighting up the whole coil no matter how much i prod it about. It just doesn't seem to wick very well.

 

[E_DeCastro]

As soon as i insert the mesh and it touches the coil it shorts with a hot spot at the top.

your positive lead is too tight.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

Listen, this is really the only advice you are going to need, seeing as your coil looks well enough to not lecture you about tightness/looseness.
What device are you using? If it is a VV/VW device, set it as low as you can and pulse the power for the shortest amount of time you can. Same with a mech, tap, tap, tap. What you are doing is oxidizing the fresh wick with the coil. I still pop one every now and again, and that is 100% down to my patience, going to fast.
Eventually you will see that coil glow like it was doing with no wick in it.

Trust me on this...

 

[evan le'garde]

Listen, this is really the only advice you are going to need, seeing as your coil looks well enough to not lecture you about tightness/looseness.
What device are you using? If it is a VV/VW device, set it as low as you can and pulse the power for the shortest amount of time you can. Same with a mech, tap, tap, tap. What you are doing is oxidizing the fresh wick with the coil. I still pop one every now and again, and that is 100% down to my patience, going to fast.
Eventually you will see that coil glow like it was doing with no wick in it.

Trust me on this...

So it's just a case of letting it all settle in. I'm using a Vamo V4 by the way.

 

[WattWick]

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It reads 2.8 ohms. Can't really get any vapour. Set up using the drill bit method. Still a bit sensitive and not really lighting up the whole coil no matter how much i prod it about. It just doesn't seem to wick very well.

Looks to me like your coil isn't snug against the wick on all wraps. The coil has to be in contact with the wick all the way.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

So it's just a case of letting it all settle in. I'm using a Vamo V4 by the way.

No, it's a case of proper/improper oxidation/short insulation.

Gennys aren't for everyone.

Twas tired last night...try that method out. YOU will find it is the only one you use, once mastered.
Seems like a good time to get a mech as well...

 

[evan le'garde]

Initially i thought i had oxidised the mesh enough so i was puzzled as to why it wasn't working. After giving the mesh a thorough oxidisation again it seems to be working ok now.

 

[Jaiofspam]

its also important to note that the pulse method only works with an empty genny or tilted to the side so the mesh isnt wicking any juice... its not gonna oxidize if its juicy

 

[Rule62]

I've been using mesh genys for well over a year. Like many others, when I started out, I thought the key to success was in torching the heck out of the mesh, in order to get enough of an insulation layer on it. Over time, I found this to be counter productive, because not only did the mesh become brittle, which resulted in it being easier for the kanthal wire to scrape through the oxidation layer; but also because the taste was poor, once I did get it to work.
Over time, I found two things that helped.
One was to stop using 32g wire. It's too flimsy and unstable. It just doesn't stay put, and once it moves, a hot spot will show up. With vv and vw devices, 30g works much better. With mechanical mods, no thinner than 28g.
The second thing I learned was to abandon all of the torching and pre torching of the mesh. Cut a piece of mesh, roll it up to the proper size to slide into the pre mounted coil, which has been wrapped using a drill bit as a guide, pulse the coil until it all glows evenly, and you're in business.
Here is a set up I did yesterday on my AC9, which took all of 10 minutes, start to finish.

 

[Jaiofspam]

i would still torch the mesh lightly to remove any machining oil before using the petar k method

 

[vapdivrr]

a thicker wire like rule mentioned is a better option, also I would lower the resistance between 1.4 to 2.0. also look closely at rules wraps, see how the tension is, and how uniformed the wraps are. your wraps are a bit inconsistent, some seem a little tight while others are to loose. also look how the tension in rules end wraps are, the tension on these wraps are consistant with the rest of the wraps.