AHHHHHHHH!!!!!! what am I doing wrong !!!!!!!

[wllmc]

I just want to sledge hammer everything right now. what the heck am I doing wrong. Im starting to think everyone is full of it when they are using distilled water and saline. help me troubleshoot this. I dont care if you call me stupid or what , I have to be doing something wrong. Ive been all over the place 1-5% DW , I have seen people that say they use up to 10% . I cant see how. it makes it so" watery "it doesnt vape. I get 50% less vapor and pull twice as hard. and it seems so "watery" it wicks so darn fast it just comes straight out the air hole. Ive tried shake and vape. I have tried letting it sit a few days. Ive tried different nic thought maybe that was it. tried different VG and went and got the walmart one. I only have WL pg . I vape 20/80 mostly. would like to get 10/90 if I could ever figure this out. I use a kayfun clone at anywhere from .9 to 1.2 ish ohms and if thats the problem well then that sucks lol. when I get enough vapor the flavor is fine but I get dizzy puffing on it trying to get a toot whatever other info do you need to help me understand just ask I cant feel dumber than i already do . as for saline I dont even know where to start. its like someone said I have a great joke and got everyone vaping salt. at any percent or fraction of a percent its like dumping a cup of salt in your mouth. Ive got the little single use things on amazon, made my my own, actually found some who had gotten some from the doctor since its such a big deal to purchase salt water. I dont know anyone who says hey man lets get wasted on salt water. ha. thats a different story tho i guess. anyways any tips or advice would be awesome. starting to think its just not for me I suppose.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Will I have a KFL+ Clone and when I made a 100 VG unflavored, I added 15% Distilled Water (4.5ml of 30ml total of juice) and it was still more than thick enough. I had no problem at all. Not sure if yours has adjustable airflow (mine does). If it's flooding, open up the airflow. If your getting dry hits, close it down a bit, that will suck up more juice, less air.

I use Essential Depot VG. I coil between 1.5
-2.0 ohms and use orgainic cotton as the wick. I'll post a link to my clone in a second

Cheers,
Steve

Edit This is the one I have
$26.70 Russian 91% Styled Rebuildable Atomizer (4.5mL) at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
I love it, since I bought it, I haven't used anything else, never misses a beat

 

[Cookster]

Granted, I vape 80/20 PG/VG, so it's pretty thin, I also make 50/50 for my hubs.

That being said, I don't use any saline or distilled water in my mixes. Most flavorings are in PG, which should help thin the VG.

Maybe trying a little Vodka or Pure Grain Alcohol to thin the VG might be the way to go for you..just my

 

[HeadInClouds]

I use 10% water, but that's with 100% VG. (Yes I measured precisely since you and discussed it recently

My VG came from Wizard Labs. My VG nic base is from Vapers Tek. Both are equally thick. The resulting juice with 10% water is not as runny as plain PG is. It's about as runny as table cream. If I fill a small tank, by the time it's mostly gone, the rest is about as thick as heavy cream... mmm heavy cream....sorry, got distracted. I can use the same juice in cartomizers, protank, evod, (etc) with no adjustments.

Sorry I know nothing about your fancy kayfun or saline solutions.

You've mixed so many successfully - what changed this time?

 

[RocketPuppy]

First off, let me preface this by saying I have absolutely no information for you, but I've felt the same a few times.

The advice I can offer is to put the sledge hammer away because it would be really messy.

 

[wllmc]

thanks , I dont get it . I just opened up the airhole all the way . just took the screw out. helped some but still floods. maybe thats the problem. the one I am vaping now was 7% flavoring, 5% water and 8% pg. the rest was VG and VG nic. the 20/80 pg/vg vapest great. 50/50 vapes great. if I add any amount of water it destroys everything. just want a tad more TH in my mixes and for it to not get so thick when its cold outside. I was way up in the mountains today and my juice was to thick and got some dry hits during the day. starting to think dry hits might be better lol. or antifreeze. I bet its my stupid tank but I am not giving this up ha.

 

[wllmc]

You've mixed so many successfully - what changed this time?

saline and water are my enemy I think .

 

[wllmc]

tried 100% vg WL nic and and WL VG this time since I usually use ejuice4u nic. I think its less peppery than WL. anyways Ive tried both in the past. even went and got walmart vg thinking it might be different. same stuff different bottle. never have had a water or saline success. just dumped it out and put some 50/50 in it. works great. lol

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Something doesn't sound right, I don't think DW is all that much thinner than PG. I added 10% to an all VG juice that had almost 20% flavoring (mostly PG based), again it wasn't to thin at all. In fact, I'd swear it was thicker than an 80/20-70/30 PG/VG juice with no DW. I'm Stumped! Be glad to help if I can, either here or through PM. Good luck my friend.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[wllmc]

thanks dude. either Ill figure it out or go crazy trying. think Ill break out the sub ohm rig here in a few and try that lol. point one ohms should do the trick

 

[Crunktanium]

I make 35/65 VG/PG juice and use 5% DW to cut that which has never been a problem. I used to use PGA/DW to help the flavor along with a 50/50 but now I just bump the PG and my juice has gotten so much better.

How about posting a full break down on everything you use to make the juice (in ML's) that is giving you problems.

And are you premixing your base or are you mixing everything together all at once?

 

[AmandaD]

I make all my mixes 50/50 with 5% saline ... no trouble wicking here except for the occasional swearing at my temperamental Fogger lol

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[wllmc]

I havent put it in a premixed base yet because I cant get it right. I did let this one sit around for a few days hoping it would all mix well. Ill post the recipe in ML that used this time tho I have tried so many things.

0.72 ml 100mg nic (100%vg)
1.38 ml PG
8.4 ml VG
0.6 ml distilled water
0.36 ml FA apple pie
0.12 ml FA carmel
0.06 ml FA catalan cream
0.12 ml FA fresh cream
0.18 ml FA fuji apple
0.06 ml FA vienna cream.

total strength 6mg
PG/VG ratio 20/80
flavor total 7.5%

the thing that puzzles me is it is still 80% VG and floods like crazy but when I dumped it out and put some 50/50 mix in it it vapes great like it should.

I make 35/65 VG/PG juice and use 5% DW to cut that which has never been a problem. I used to use PGA/DW to help the flavor along with a 50/50 but now I just bump the PG and my juice has gotten so much better.

How about posting a full break down on everything you use to make the juice (in ML's) that is giving you problems.

And are you premixing your base or are you mixing everything together all at once?

 

[wllmc]

I make all my mixes 50/50 with 5% saline ... no trouble wicking here except for the occasional swearing at my temperamental Fogger lol

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oh so you are one of the ones in on this saline joke huh. you just want to watch the world burn dont you LMAO !!!!!!!! kidding. hey by the way what do you think about that fogger?

 

[AmandaD]

oh so you are one of the ones in on this saline joke huh. you just want to watch the world burn dont you LMAO !!!!!!!! kidding. hey by the way what do you think about that fogger?

Actually, I think it was Danny who mentioned saline was good for dryness - and I was having a problem with that. Too much VG makes (or did make) me wheeze, so I had to stick to 50/50. It does seem to help!

The Fogger is an amazing vape - once you get it wicked right. I switched to rayon (there's a whole long thread about rayon), and it's night and day flavorwise. I don't have a Kayfun, but I've heard several people say they prefer the Fogger (I'm a Reo girl).

 

[28if]

I am way less experienced then the peeps that already responded but I have never seen a need to go over .5% saline in my mixes. I vape 50/50 @ 18mg/ml. I use KFL+'s exclusively real and clones (all cotton wicked) and haven't noticed any issues. During my experiments adding any more then about 1.5% saline I 'think' I started tasting salt. Perhaps your juice is simply too thin?

BTW, I am a firm believer in Saline in fruit juices, the flavor really pops.

 

[Huckleberried]

Anytime I use saline, I've tried it at 3%. I remember we2rcool saying they add it into the calculator as VG.

 

[dannyv45]

Will,

It sounds like your mixing correctly and using the proper amount of saline or DW. If your using a thick vg mix this should not be happening and its your hardware. You need to look at your kayfun I'll bet the air hole is clogged. It's happened to my kayfun. I noticed on my kayfun that the adjustment did little to nothing. Take it apart as if you were going to rebuild it and take out the adjustment screw and fill screw and soak the entire kayfun in really hot water for about 5 minutes. Then take the allen wrench and shove it in the air adjustment hole to ream it gently being careful not to damage the threads then do the same for the fill hole. Take a thick needle and ream the center hole below where the coil goes and also the smaller air hole on the side. rinse and make sure you blow out any excess water from the holes you just cleaned then soak in hot water for another 5 minutes then rinse it under the tap running the water as hard as it will go. Again Make sure you blow out any excess water from the holes, Check all the seals to make sure there in good shape then coil and reassemble then try it again.

 

[wllmc]

hey thanks danny. thats what Im thinking to. going to change all the rubbers and screws and do what you mentioned above. starting to think its just not making a good seal anymore.

Will,

It sounds like your mixing correctly and using the proper amount of saline or DW. If your using a thick vg mix this should not be happening and its your hardware. You need to look at your kayfun I'll bet the air hole is clogged. It's happened to my kayfun. I noticed on my kayfun that the adjustment did little to nothing. Take it apart as if you were going to rebuild it and take out the adjustment screw and fill screw and soak the entire kayfun in really hot water for about 5 minutes. Then take the allen wrench and shove it in the air adjustment hole to ream it gently being careful not to damage the threads then do the same for the fill hole. Take a thick needle and ream the center hole below where the coil goes and also the smaller air hole on the side. rinse and make sure you blow out any excess water from the holes you just cleaned then soak in hot water for another 5 minutes then rinse it under the tap running the water as hard as it will go. Again Make sure you blow out any excess water from the holes, Check all the seals to make sure there in good shape then coil and reassemble then try it again.

 

[dannyv45]

No thanks needed. We've talked before and I know you know what your doing as far as mixing goes so I don't think you need to look any further as far as mixing. Time to clean that kayfun