a matter of fact if someone can up with an ide to be able to use tabacco and/or eliquid ill bie it in a heart beat if you can still use these small batteries like the M401 or 510 or even VK batteries....if you can do this you will make some money because of the possible banning of ecigs peple will want use something that can vaporize tabbacco and still keep the feel of a cig....I know I do
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Hey, if one were to attempt to build an entirly home made e-cig, i have a suggestion for a better atomizer design, this is kind of an extreem mod, but if one were skilled enough to attempt to build a home made e-cig this shouldnt be too bad.
Ok so, for this i am thinking we could use the shell of an existing atomizer. Is it possible then to build a mini heating plate, something similar to an electric stove. If we had a spiral like nicrome wire with the correct ohm and a metal plate above it sealing the atomizer chamber from above.
This would allow for a direct drip system, onto the hot plate. I believe the future of e-cigs is longevity, and with that comes the ability to carry 5-10ml of juice in the handheld device with a pump or spray, which will spray 1-2 drops directly onto the atomizer.
Along with the longevity idea, Why not use a cell phone battery. I found some online that were 3.7V at 2000mAh. Your cellphone is handheld so this would not have to be very big at all.
Back to the Hot Plate atomizer, cleaning would be a breaze and there would be no gunk buildup on the heating coil itself just the hot plate, and I've cleand enough resinated objects to know that a little rubbing alcohol and a hot water bath will definately be a simple and user friendly way to clean up any unvaporized gunk.
What do you guys think?
Ok so, for this i am thinking we could use the shell of an existing atomizer. Is it possible then to build a mini heating plate, something similar to an electric stove. If we had a spiral like nicrome wire with the correct ohm and a metal plate above it sealing the atomizer chamber from above.
This would allow for a direct drip system, onto the hot plate. I believe the future of e-cigs is longevity, and with that comes the ability to carry 5-10ml of juice in the handheld device with a pump or spray, which will spray 1-2 drops directly onto the atomizer.
Along with the longevity idea, Why not use a cell phone battery. I found some online that were 3.7V at 2000mAh. Your cellphone is handheld so this would not have to be very big at all.
Back to the Hot Plate atomizer, cleaning would be a breaze and there would be no gunk buildup on the heating coil itself just the hot plate, and I've cleand enough resinated objects to know that a little rubbing alcohol and a hot water bath will definately be a simple and user friendly way to clean up any unvaporized gunk.
What do you guys think?
Now that i think about it, mmmvaping, this hot plate atomizer is darn near the exact same as a store bought tobacco vaporizer. In theory you should be able to put some tobacco into the atomizer and if the temperature/voltage is correct, be able to vape the tobacco. Just an after thought...
Two things - airflow and secondly, the pate means a higher power requirement (more to heat up).
SeaNap, I love your idea. In fact, I had been thinking that exact same thing. It would allow for easy cleaning (if ever needed, just scrape the "hot plate") It would protect the nichrome wire. If the "hot plate" had rased sides it could theoretically help keep liquid from leaking back into battery (of course, if tipped, it might though I suppose). It's an awesome thought. I wish I had tiny fingers, I'm too fumbly for the small stuff. Somebody shrink me, I'm going in!
Also, what about the flat nichrome instead of the wire? Like, the stuff in toasters? I actually thought about taking apart a toaster and trying it, they make toasters so cheap. If one could reuse the metal in the toasters for clips and the such as well, they could rebuild atomizers for months! Holy cow!
Also, what about the flat nichrome instead of the wire? Like, the stuff in toasters? I actually thought about taking apart a toaster and trying it, they make toasters so cheap. If one could reuse the metal in the toasters for clips and the such as well, they could rebuild atomizers for months! Holy cow!
I think with a flat nicrome you would effect the voltage to heat (power) ratio, and would need more power to produce the same amount of heat, this is why I thought that if the nicrome was the same diamiter of the coil and instead a flat spiral then it should reach the same temperatures. I do not think that there would need to be any significant increace in voltage in order for the correct "vaping temperature" to be transfered to a heat conducive plate.
Also tho, we are designing this from the ground up, so it would not take much effort to change the system to handle a higher voltage/amp. Such as a simple calculation for the length of the wire, taking into account the temperature range we need to achieve.
Also tho, we are designing this from the ground up, so it would not take much effort to change the system to handle a higher voltage/amp. Such as a simple calculation for the length of the wire, taking into account the temperature range we need to achieve.
LOL ! Nice thinking.
Toaster wire is too thick - would require far more power to reach the same temperature. It would be worth considering a slightly thicker wire though, as used say in cigars.
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The very fact of needing to heat the plate means more power required. But batteries are improving so time is on your side.
You also need to consider how the air flow will be affected.
A ceramic plate might be easier to clean, but I wouldn't bank on it.
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Hmm, ok so airflow... I am kind of leaning towards little slots infrount of the hot plate. I know that at the original atomizer design has air flow come from the back, so im not sure if this would achieve the same effect, but it makes sence if it would still work the same w/ 2 or 4 little slots in the tubing above the hotplate.
As I think about this though, having airflow over the heating coil helps cool it down and this would not be providing any air flow, I am relatively positive that the wire can handle the temperature, i am worried about too much residual heat.
As I think about this though, having airflow over the heating coil helps cool it down and this would not be providing any air flow, I am relatively positive that the wire can handle the temperature, i am worried about too much residual heat.
I doubt residual heat in the plate would be a problem (too small). But the extra power to heat the plate would be considerable, I'd guess at least double.
By air flow, I dont mean to the plate but past it.
By air flow, I dont mean to the plate but past it.
What I think might be an improvement would be to flatten the coil so it resembles a zig-zag and is wider for catching droplets from the metal meshing.
Imagine: dismantle the atty to extract the coil. Gently squash it flat so the flat side is facing up/down the tube. and replace.
Imagine: dismantle the atty to extract the coil. Gently squash it flat so the flat side is facing up/down the tube. and replace.
Thinking aloud: Imagine for a moment the airflow - picture the atomser with arrows on it. The air wants to go around the coil. It will not try to go through it. The tiny droplets of juice drawn from the metal mesh that are in the airflow are quite likely to miss the coil. Their mass being too small for momentum to deviate their course much from the air they are travelling with. This suggests there could be a way to improve the juice flow effciency at this critical juncture, with some clever thinking. In other words, it would be best that the air is drawn through the 'coil' (?); but with gaps are too small or highly angled for the droplets to pass. All this without restricting the air flow too much. The (?) is because doing this will cool the heater more; but that's not so bad - simply passing power to what we are trying to achieve.
When begin trying out some ideas, new ideas and refinements will arise. So hope you do some experimenting SeaNap ...
Furthermore, is there a way to draw juice in from one side and eject the vapor on the other side? That would be ideal.
When begin trying out some ideas, new ideas and refinements will arise. So hope you do some experimenting SeaNap ...
Furthermore, is there a way to draw juice in from one side and eject the vapor on the other side? That would be ideal.
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After the initial air inflow at the hot plate the atomizer could still just be connected to a mouthpiece.
Alright so if we double the voltage required we should then need 6.5 - 7.5 V and I just looked on deal extreem and I found a 7.2 V 1900mAh Li-on battery for like 20 bucks
Alright so if we double the voltage required we should then need 6.5 - 7.5 V and I just looked on deal extreem and I found a 7.2 V 1900mAh Li-on battery for like 20 bucks
or heck, we can make a small box mod for something like this with a rechargable 9v 
You know what, we'll never know if the flat toaster stuff would work unless we tried it right? I took my toaster out of the cupboard, and as it was unplugged a touched those nichrome foil thingies...they are thin as heck...I mean, if you got build up on them, you might be able to just heat them up and flick them a bit! It would cause the build up to break right off right? I mean, toasters work for years of abuse (and I really abuse mine, I forget to clean them out, I use them every day a couple of times...mmmm...toast). And the ones on the inside of the unit get even less hot. I don't know, seems like it might be fun to try. Granted, I don't know things about resistance and stuff, but I could just cut a piece out and clip it on to something and give her a try! How to implement a wick though, that I don't know. It would be interesting to do this large scale to see if it would work, and then shrink it down. OK, so what temp are we aiming at? Gotta make sure somethign doesn't get too hot for vg, as I use that...what temp F would I be aiming for?
My husband might hit me upside the head with my broken toaster if I do this! ROFLMAO.
You know what, we'll never know if the flat toaster stuff would work unless we tried it right? I took my toaster out of the cupboard, and as it was unplugged a touched those nichrome foil thingies...they are thin as heck...I mean, if you got build up on them, you might be able to just heat them up and flick them a bit! It would cause the build up to break right off right? I mean, toasters work for years of abuse (and I really abuse mine, I forget to clean them out, I use them every day a couple of times...mmmm...toast). And the ones on the inside of the unit get even less hot. I don't know, seems like it might be fun to try. Granted, I don't know things about resistance and stuff, but I could just cut a piece out and clip it on to something and give her a try! How to implement a wick though, that I don't know. It would be interesting to do this large scale to see if it would work, and then shrink it down. OK, so what temp are we aiming at? Gotta make sure somethign doesn't get too hot for vg, as I use that...what temp F would I be aiming for?
My husband might hit me upside the head with my broken toaster if I do this! ROFLMAO.
Kinabaloo, you are still thinking of using a spray/mist of eliquid, correct? Because I think that if the e-liquid is in much smaller dropplets (like a mist) it would vape more efficiently and possibly quicker.
The air flow pulls droplets of juice from the metal mesh behind (mostly) the coil - quite fine, rather like a mist.
The temperature of the coil will be the temperature that the juice is evaporating at, rising to about 400C as becomes dry.
Some sketches would be handy.
Give us some time.... we are working really hard on an atomizer/cartridge, and the atty will be an inexpensive one....
And we will provide the proper pieces for mods.
Our goal is to make a cartridge that can hold between 1.5ml to 2ml of juice (because we want to keep about the same size cartridge) and the atty you would be able to take it out to clean/change it.
Give us a little more time and ...... cross your fingers!
And we will provide the proper pieces for mods.
Our goal is to make a cartridge that can hold between 1.5ml to 2ml of juice (because we want to keep about the same size cartridge) and the atty you would be able to take it out to clean/change it.
Give us a little more time and ...... cross your fingers!
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