All Mechanical- a flaw in thinking.

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Goldenkobold

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There has been a reinvention in the ecig community, a reinvention of understand and terminology. In a day and age where spinning drives are being replaced by longer lasting flash units, and the computer mouse is ditching its moving ball in favor of lasers or track pads, we see a common belief among buyers and makers of high end mods towards all mechanical. You hear it all the time on the ecf, on sellers websites, and in the community at large..."It's all mechanical so there is nothing to break".

The problem with this idea is that it stands apart from our everyday experience, mechanical stuff breaks all the time in most of our lives...in fact the idea that the fewer moving parts the better has been accepted everywhere from electronic devices to car engines to large scale industrial devices yet the exact opposite has somehow worked its way into pv users...and with unsurprising results, people are learning that all mechanical units have to be cleaned...to the point where noalox becomes as much a component of using the pv as LR attys and drip tips. I am not a modder but I am a person with a mechanical background...when I see a switch with 19 parts I see 19 potential points of failure all constantly stressed during device operation. All springs..all of them...some last for decades...but those are normally the size of farm animals and not something you find in small devices, will break and loose the very springiness that makes them function. The best mechanical units will be those that have the fewest moving parts...the easiest to replace springs and the stoutest material able to use comfortably in the device. All of them will need maintenance, as all mechanical things do, so its best if it can be done without any tools...or at the very least nothing more complex than a screwdriver and a pair of pliers..and maybe tweezers as we all love tweezers.

Don't get me wrong I love the aesthetic appeal of mechanical devices, I am a steam punk fan and for some reason all that brass and steel moving around appeals to me, but I believe for durability and actual no fuss operations...the fewer parts the better, a properly built touch sensitive device, with the proper wires to handle the vapers various attys and batteries, will last for decades..there would be no springs to wear down, no spaces to collect debris...nothing to noalox, nothing to disassemble, nothing to collect debris or need oil. Of course even if such a device comes out and has an acceptable form factor and is dirt cheap....there will still be a place for collectors of mechanical devices with springs and breakable components...after all I still use a vinyl record player to play music. But the idea that all mechanical= nothing to break...has got to go.
 

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I agree and that is why I am patiently awaiting my ProVari. I have never bought in to the "all mechanical is better" discussion. I also enjoy the aesthetic appeal of some of the finer mechanical mods but believe there is a place for both and that each has it strengths. Also there is the personal preference issue and if you like mechanical fine that does not mean something like the ProVari is less superior because it has some chips on board. Thanks for the post and happy holidays
 

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Nice post. The mechanical device you describe with less hassle and parts to service IMO is the new REO Grand and Mini.

The first units did need a dab o Noalox from time to time to keep it in peak running order but now that Rob has re worked the firing pin this is not need as often.

I do like the security that the mechanical mods provide, to many times I had a switch go out due to varies reasons.

The industry is so new only time will tell as to how this will all play out.

Good post and topic. :)
 

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Some truth there, fur sure. But the appeal of a mechanical mod for me is that I am confident that I can fix it if something goes wrong. If I drop it in a puddle, it will still work. I don't have the same level of confidence in my computer. I may purchase some whiz-bang technological marvel e-cig down the road, but I doubt I'll ever be without a mechanical one.
 

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Yes, this is true. Things wear out and down. I have back up springs and a bottle of Noalox to last me a very long time.
Everything has to have maintenance-everything.
I have quite a few different types pv's, and the best one I own is a steel pv. No wires-yes a spring and brass posts and an o-ring or two. I have had no trouble out of this mod-I do love to drip.
I don't have to worry when I drop it, I don't have to worry when I drip with it and when the battery (ies) die, I just replace them-not the whole unit. If I flood the atomizer there is no worry of what the e-liquid is going to do to the finish, the switch nor does it leak into the casing. I can take the whole thing apart and with dishwashing liquid-wash off the e-liquid, dry it and put it back together.
Mods are like everything else. They either appeal to you or not. Kinda like a house. Do you want vinyl siding, brick, wood, coquina, block or what have you. They all have to be maintained or else they start deteriorating and you start having to spend more money than it would have cost you to just maintain it to begin with.
I will continue to check out new mods as they come on the market, but I am quite sure I will always use my trusty all mechanical mod the most and it will outlast anything else.
These are just a few of my thoughts here.
 

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The reason I like the mechanical mods is from my experience with other battery opperated devices. It seems that when they have failed it is usually not the device itself but the corrosion on the wires and components that lead to shorts, sticky buttons, ect.. I like knowing that I can take something apart myself and fix it without sending it in for servicing.
 

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My primary area of experience prior to entering the field of e-cigs was firearms. When it comes to firearms, the more parts you have, the higher the posibility of one breaking and rendering the weapon useless. The Glock and most of the John Browning designed weapons are known to be some of the best as they were remarkably durable and reliable.

The same is true to mechanical mods. If made from good materials and designed in a non-complicated way, they can be expected to work when you need it to.

The great thing about mechanical mods is that they are easy to service and maintain. A few spare parts in a bag can be used to get a broken e-cig up and running. No soldering iron or multi meter needed. Maybe a screwdriver or a dime conscripted into action, but otherwise no complicated tools.

Sure the newest high tech gizmos look cool and may even have better options for use. But at the end of the day, what is really important?

If I'm at home with access to my workbench full of tools end equipment, I like the high-tech toys. When I'm in the field, trudging about with everything on my back, I'll stick to my field servicable gear.

Just my opinion though, I could be (and occasionally am) wrong :)
 

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I've got to disagree with you, let's take the mechanical GGTB for example, a tube with 2 end caps, spring, and a button.

If something goes wrong with the device itself, it's just going to be a dollar spring replacement. If i run it through the washer, i can toss the battery, dry out the mod, and it will still work as perfectly as it did before.

Now you try that with your electronic e-cigs.

And FYI, i have replaced the springs in my buttons with magnets so there isn't even a spring to wear down by pushing it.
 

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I've got to disagree with you, let's take the mechanical GGTB for example, a tube with 2 end caps, spring, and a button.

If something goes wrong with the device itself, it's just going to be a dollar spring replacement. If i run it through the washer, i can toss the battery, dry out the mod, and it will still work as perfectly as it did before.

Now you try that with your electronic e-cigs.

And FYI, i have replaced the springs in my buttons with magnets so there isn't even a spring to wear down by pushing it.

I 2nd this comment:

Case in Point (Yellowman from here on the ECF) dropped his REO Grand in the bath bub I think this past week. He pulled the battery changed the atty dyed out the REO and went back to vaping. I would die if I dropped my Buzz in the tub. I love my Buzz but its a stay at home 2nd mod used for HV vaping only. Not my go to every day mod.

IMO the more points of failure there is the more chances I will be caught out some where with no PV and start looking for a 7-11

This is only my 2c nothing more.
 

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The simplicity of design is why I never worry about my SDMKll it’s a simple bottom push button, a battery, and an atty. I carry a extra battery, 2 atty’s, a 10mil bottle of juice, all in a cell phone case on my belt and I'm good to go, I never worry about it not working. I would almost call this more of a manual PV then a mechanical one. The switch in my Indulgence is more mechanical in my opinion.
 
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while quality electronic components are reliable i find that many of the non mechanical mods are prone to parts burning out because of the quality (or lack there of) of the parts used in them. even quality electronics fail quicker then a quality mechanical part. i am an ac tech and i can tell you that 95% of the time when a unit goes down it is an electrical issue rather then a mechanical one. i feel that saying a mod with no wires and a spring will wear out is like saying an anvil and hammer will wear out too. extreme example yes, but on point.
 

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I'm not sure it's fair to compare the simple mechanical attributes of an all mechanical mod (I'll give the Prodigy V3 as an example, since it's the all mechanical mod I own) with more complicated mechanical devices in general. Sure, mechanical devices wear out and parts need to be replaced, but it's going to take a long time before the spring in my V3 wears out, since it is in no way stressed with each use, nor does it move very much. I'm more worried about losing it than breaking it. I ordered an extra spring, too, just to be on the safe side. In addition, I don't have to worry about how many button pushes my switch is rated for. Do I need to clean it once a week? Sure, but it takes all of five minutes.

That said, I don't totally disagree with your main point. The ProVari is very tempting, and I'll probably end up buying one just for its capabilities and cool factor. But if I could only have one mod and no others, it would be an all mechanical mod.
 

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One of my GLVs fell out of my pocket and got buried in a snowbank -- I didn't notice right away and it turns out it got further buried by a snowplow. After (frantically!!!:laugh:) looking for an hour I figured where it had to be and dug through an 8 foot high pie -- and it was about 3 foot down. I tapped it against my leg to shake the snow off expecting the worst......but the SOB fired right up, got a good vape off of it although my lips stuck to the aluminum tip (Think Christmas Story!!!:)). I trust pieces I can understand and I agree with others' opinions, the fewer working parts the better. I do like the idea of VV in theory but I know from my past history of gadgets wear outsidfe the design parameters will occur. I will continue to try and pick up GGs at bargain prices as some owners go to the electronic ones!!!:laugh:
 

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I've got to disagree with you, let's take the mechanical GGTB for example, a tube with 2 end caps, spring, and a button.

If something goes wrong with the device itself, it's just going to be a dollar spring replacement. If i run it through the washer, i can toss the battery, dry out the mod, and it will still work as perfectly as it did before.

Now you try that with your electronic e-cigs.

And FYI, i have replaced the springs in my buttons with magnets so there isn't even a spring to wear down by pushing it.

I have to agree with this totally. Anyone's grandmother (me) can fix anything that needs fixing with a GG. I've already eliminated one of the springs by using the magnets. Inexpensive parts, 2 to be exact, one spring (bottom cap, could use an ink pen spring if necessary), two o-rings that I can fix should they ever need fixing. Adding cleaning into the mix for all mechanical is a moot point, everything needs cleaning at some point.

Give me a mechanical e-cig above anything else! It always works!
 
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One of my GLVs fell out of my pocket and got buried in a snowbank -- I didn't notice right away and it turns out it got further buried by a snowplow. After (frantically!!!:laugh:) looking for an hour I figured where it had to be and dug through an 8 foot high pie -- and it was about 3 foot down. I tapped it against my leg to shake the snow off expecting the worst......but the SOB fired right up, got a good vape off of it although my lips stuck to the aluminum tip (Think Christmas Story!!!:)). I trust pieces I can understand and I agree with others' opinions, the fewer working parts the better. I do like the idea of VV in theory but I know from my past history of gadgets wear outsidfe the design parameters will occur. I will continue to try and pick up GGs at bargain prices as some owners go to the electronic ones!!!:laugh:

LOL same thing happened to me this past week! My GGTS fell out of my coat pocket in the snow. I didn't realize it until about 20-30 minutes later, then the hunt began for where I dropped it. I found it outside in the snow, brought it in the house wiped it down took the battery out (let that thaw out), popped in a new one and went on my merry way! No worries that it would never work again!

I have another all mechanical coming this week, and no, it's not a GG. I will continue to purchase all mechanical that I can fix on my own.
 

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Well golden I was about to post something like what you did. One thing I would point out is that reliability is a lot different than ruggedness. People look at mechanical as being rugged though people in big industrial settings look for low maintainence which electrical always suites the bill. Now on a second note just cause its electrical does not mean its not rugged. Also just cause its mechanical does not mean it is rugged. Now for the most part most people can figure out what is wrong mechanicaly though electrical you hafto have a tool to see whats wrong with it not your bare eyes can see it. I personally see it that the high quality products are going to be the most trouble free. So, when I look at a device I look at what can it do for me and is it high quality. Now that is why I pre ordered a Provari.
 

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I have a mechanical computer here if somebody wants it ??

All mech . is good they are basically reliable ( if you have to rebuild a switch , that LOWERS the reliability ) I don't think people realize that this is a FAILURE ! , most mods have homemade / designed switches they do not have the experience MFG switches so you get failures. Maintenance if another issues , BUT being able to fix it yourself is a Plus.

Electronic PV's have suffered the China Syndrome , Badly designed circuits , the newer ones that are USA designed and made are generally more reliable IMO ,l Plus you get the added benefit of CONTROL over your vape.

SO 6 of one 1/2 dozen of another
 
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