All my mods part1

[unloaded]

Kinda reminds me of boot camp. One guy gets out of line and rest of the group has to do the pushups. The group brings the guy in line, not the leader. Instead of complaining about raidy leaving why don't we try to bring the offending guy in line. A quick glance at the other thread's first page and I saw some names from this thread.

 

[harmonic]

Raidy's wishes should be supported.It WAS his idea to use the SS mesh and we all know it. I would demand my money back from OOsturmoo and get a ScubaGen. for a fifth of the cost.

if the g-tank goes against raidys wishes then I don't see what makes the scubagen any different. Sturm is only providing the body you still have to make your own wick and coil setup.
oh except
less parts turned. no parts threaded. less parts in general. no to mention that even though the scubagen looks cool I wouldn't be taking it anywhere in public which the g-tank is inconspicuous and can go anywhere. Cost is in the design.
Perhaps somebody smarter than I should put that design in scubabatdans machining software and see what the cost would be from them...

@ raidy I am sorry that you feel this way and I will miss seeing your brilliant and amazing creations. I greatly admire your skill and wish you the best of luck wherever you end up. I really hope you choose to stay around or you be missed. peace and love brother.

 

[UA72Riddle]

I was on the first page of tha thread. And thought it was a great idea when it was brought up in another thread. I still think is a great idea and will be a great product when complete.

I respect both parties views on this. But I think there are details being overlooked. I don't know if the money is the issue or failure to get approval. What I do know is I own a hybrid mini I paid more than the cost of the tank for with fewer parts. I also own (built myself) the tank that sparked the idea for the g-tank made from cheap (cost and quality) parts. I was on the list for this until my finances caused me to back out. I work in construction and needed something like this to hold up to the abuse that my plastic model prototype will not. And not to mention the ability to use an kind of wick I choose....which for me happens to be the mesh.

Where were all of the comments when one of the buyers of he hybrids was selling his on the classifieds for almost double what he paid for it? Don't beat me...just asking.

I am truly grateful and appreciative for everything Sir Raidy has contributed. It's the only way I like to vape and works perfect for me....but this isn't a two piece genesis design. I wish it could have been cheaper, thenn I might not have had to back out.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Hmmmm bring the other guy inline...
From what I have read, STURM haggled to get the cost lower in this post:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/193143-g-tank-49.html#post3493696
Radiy does not believe him, so now we are on a witch hunt because one person does not believe him?
I have seen nothing but accolades thrown at STURM for producing an all steel mod. And now we are suppose to turn on him because one person does not belive it should cost what the turner is charging?
I dissagree, I think STURM is aquiring these at cost and not making anything on these. I have watched from the start of his thread and believe him to be a honorable guy. He has posted the entire process to be seen by all (this is not something you do if you want to make money).
I suppose it is up to the individual purchasing these if they want to pay the cost.
But to turn on someone because another does not believe what they say is just a buch of lemmings following the leader.
Just my 2 cents.
Dan

 

[UA72Riddle]

if the g-tank goes against raidys wishes then I don't see what makes the scubagen any different. Sturm is only providing the body you still have to make your own wick and coil setup.
oh except
less parts turned. no parts threaded. less parts in general. no to mention that even though the scubagen looks cool I wouldn't be taking it anywhere in public which the g-tank is inconspicuous and can go anywhere. Cost is in the design.
Perhaps somebody smarter than I should put that design in scubabatdans machining software and see what the cost would be from them...

@ raidy I am sorry that you feel this way and I will miss seeing your brilliant and amazing creations. I greatly admire your skill and wish you the best of luck wherever you end up. I really hope you choose to stay around or you be missed. peace and love brother.

+1 on that....welll said.

 

[caillel]

Thank you Scubabatdan. I am glad I was not alone in my reactions.

 

[UA72Riddle]

I totally agree Dan, and tried to make that point right after this all started. Nothing has been hiden, but as I said some of the details have been left out. To compare a standard genisis design or even the pieces we just bought in your co-op to what sturm is making is ridiculous. I for one have swaped many PMs with sturm even before this went for co-op about it. Which is were I found out he was expanding a flashlight mod to be more durable...what he thought was the perfect setup. I respect Raidy....but I don't think I can agree with the way this is going.

 

[perlionsmitnick]

if the g-tank goes against raidys wishes then I don't see what makes the scubagen any different.

I think it is that Sturm claimed that he didn't use any of Raidy's ideas where Dan expressly got permission. Raidy seems to think that it is overpriced for profit. Sturm should probably supply Raidy with cost receipts to straighten this out. I may be wrong but that is the way I have read it.

 

[Scubabatdan]

I think it is that Sturm claimed that he didn't use any of Raidy's ideas where Dan expressly got permission. Raidy seems to think that it is overpriced for profit. Sturm should probably supply Raidy with cost receipts to straighten this out. I may be wrong but that is the way I have read it.

I did not get permission, I went with what he had posted that co-ops were ok as long as no profit was made. I was also charging exactly what the company charged for the metal pieces to be produced. This was a DIY project where the you recieve the "starter kit" and then build it up with the other items you needed. From what I read it was the cost that set raidy off.
Dan

 

[caillel]

Let's see, I spent 20 bucks on the scubagen body (not to call you out scubabatdan, just part of the facts), 14 dollars on polycarb, 2 bucks on springs, 2 dollars on 1 510 adapter, 2 dollars on 1.6 mm stainess steel nuts, 12 dollars on a pipe cutter for the tube, 3 dollars on o-rings, 4 dollars on a wooden dowel to keep the polycarb to from compressing when cutting the polycarb, 40 dollars worth of Dremmel tools and parts, 9 dollars on a cheap soldering iron, 5 dollars on silver solder, 4 dollars on flux, 2 dollars on wire.......You get my point. Not including the wick, the actual cost of producing at home a genesis mod can very easily cost me individually the cost of ooSTURMoo's gtank (and no those aren't "exact prices"). I can easily see how the cost to produce this item could be what he is asking for a professionally machined unit that covers all the areas of the mod minus the wick and heating wire (and I haven't even discussed shipping charges). I can also easily see how a person would pay 90 dollars for a unit that is pretty much ready to go mechanically. I don't think there is a problem here with the Gtank coop, or with anyone participating in it. I am saddened that all this conflict occurred and offer my apologies for any contribution to it.

 

[santo19586]

well, it looks like Raidy and Sturm are speaking together peacefully, it's good to see this, got to let them work it out. would hate to see anyone leave this thread.

 

[raidy]

Good news for all US/UK... Vapors. Low price - high quality genisis for less money

A ss genisis will be avaiable for less money and excelent quality and a very, very fair price.
More information will come next hours/days in this forum. I talk about the genisisLV, which is in use a hundret times in Germany.
It is a non comercial action from a nice member of the german forum.

 

[caillel]

Please be sure to publish all costs involved to ensure there is not profit to be made by this member. (unless you are allowing profit in this case) Hopefully shipping charges will also be reasonable. And thank you for offering a Raidy approved alternative. It will be really helpful for the mod challenged members of the forum.

 

[lexi60]

Sir Raidy, I have been following the Genisis threads for a long time, In this forum and the german one. Though I dont post much.
I think everyone in this community very well respects you and your designs, You have created a better way to vape. And I thank you!
As I have the same respect for Strum, Jensb, Persis, Dan, and many others.
Thank you all.
It is nice of you to bring a LV design co-op to this forum, That design I think is what made Strum's G-Tank so popular.

 

[unloaded]

Hmmmm bring the other guy inline...
From what I have read, STURM haggled to get the cost lower in this post:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/193143-g-tank-49.html#post3493696
Radiy does not believe him, so now we are on a witch hunt because one person does not believe him?
I have seen nothing but accolades thrown at STURM for producing an all steel mod. And now we are suppose to turn on him because one person does not belive it should cost what the turner is charging?
I dissagree, I think STURM is aquiring these at cost and not making anything on these. I have watched from the start of his thread and believe him to be a honorable guy. He has posted the entire process to be seen by all (this is not something you do if you want to make money).
I suppose it is up to the individual purchasing these if they want to pay the cost.
But to turn on someone because another does not believe what they say is just a buch of lemmings following the leader.
Just my 2 cents.
Dan

Yea, you are right. I kinda had a knee jerk reaction. And I apologize for that. I'd just gotten up and too much blood in the caffiene-stream. I've since went and read some more of that thread. The thing is I don't know enough to make up my mind (only about the cost). I've asked Sturm for the files to get a quote just so I'd know. I realize there is an exchange rate but that could be figured out. I won't be making these or taking orders, I just want to have more info. I find myself believing whichever side I happen to be reading at the time and I don't like that.

peace.
unloaded

 

[Friend of Atlas]

Good news for all US/UK... Vapors. Low price - high quality genisis for less money

A ss genisis will be avaiable for less money and excelent quality and a very, very fair price.
More information will come next hours/days in this forum. I talk about the genisisLV, which is in use a hundret times in Germany.
It is a non comercial action from a nice member of the german forum.

Yay - any hope that I have to participate in all these amazing innovations is if all I have to be able to do is change the SS mesh and coil. Unfortunately, I am not blessed with the mechanical talent to follow many of the instructions listed in this thread let alone innovate these type of ideas. While I follow these threads, I rarely participate because it's all so intimidating to me. It's exciting to have the opportunity to participate (minimally) and maybe get my feet wet mechanically - even if it's only changing the SS mesh and coil. It's an opportunity to build my confidence - thanks!

 

[eyebrook]

When is the sub $40 Genisislv gonna appear Raidy I thought it was already made and sold?

 

[raidy]

I want and I will not justify. I'm just disappointed only. I send sturm about 2 weeks ago a PM and asked if this is a non-profit forum project. I have received no answer, for whatever reason. Maybe it was a technical problem. Yesterday I sent a PM again and again received no response. So I've written purely in his thread and earned hard words.
$90 seemed implausible. And that he has never answered me read suggests that he works for commercial purposes. It may be that his turner takes way too much money. It may be that he makes no profit intentions. But I have never received a response.

So and now a few corrections:
1) I have no patent on the genisis, but European copyright law. Thats enough in Europe.
2) The principle is to be made ​​without gensis commercial gain ..
3) I am familiar in copyright and patent law, because I run several patents.

I will not sue sturm legally because it perhaps really was no illegal intent. But why not just answer me when I demand.
The genisis was now in several countries around the world built in project work. More than 1000 units are in use.
My idea of free development and non-profit-free use has failed.
Now I'm accused of being an idiot and a socialist, because I wanted to earn no money from it.
And a few extra Clever criticize me even now. And I'll be insulted and makes you stupid.
And to the person who called me an idiot and a socialist: I have earned in my life enough money. More than you can ever earn.

It was not about money and rights, I went to the free gensis project. I guess I did not deserve this criticism. I've really tried everything to resolve the conflict in advance.
I must not do that to me. But I've learned for the future. My participation in better atty's in this forum is closed for now.

And now you are allowed to throw dirt, nothing more comes of me!

And to sturm: Communication avoid conflicts! And you can deliver the mesh, here is my O.K. You're doing so without financial gain - I hope so, but i can not believe it.

EDIT: I forgot to say thank you to all my loyal friends. There was more good and bad days. Thank you for every good day. And the mailbox is now definitely locked.

 

[caillel]

So because you misunderstood one members intentions, you state "My idea of free development and non-profit-free use has failed." I think the fact the debate became so heated proves that it was not a wasted effort. You earned the respect of people in many countries because of your effort. I am sorry you feel this way.

 

[Eagle1]

Yay - any hope that I have to participate in all these amazing innovations is if all I have to be able to do is change the SS mesh and coil. Unfortunately, I am not blessed with the mechanical talent to follow many of the instructions listed in this thread let alone innovate these type of ideas. While I follow these threads, I rarely participate because it's all so intimidating to me. It's exciting to have the opportunity to participate (minimally)... - thanks!

Ditto for me!!!!!