Allergic to PG? Viable 100% VG juices?

[Stratzilla]

Another update:

I think my last post was a little too soon. I switched from Rockstar 50/50 to some AVE 100%VG juice and in the two days I've been vaping, I get the similar throat clogging feeling that I got with the Tasty Vapor juices. I don't think its an allergic reaction, but moreso that the vapor is so thick that its irritating my throat. Do allergies to VG exist? I thought it was only to PG.

 

[x-smok3]

ECblend will mix whatever you like in most flavors. 100% VG is no problem and if you send them a note I would suspect they would thin it for you as well. I like AVE Boba's also which is 100% VG but it is pretty thick.

 

[markfm]

As I previously posted, yes, there are people sensitive to VG, just as there are people sensitive to PG.

If you're overall just getting too much vapor and throat hit, switch to a higher resistance cartomizer or atomizer. That will give you less power, warmth, vapor. Also, make sure to drink a lot of water, try a sip before a vape. People have to get used to vaping, just like smoking -- a bit of heaviness, harshness, hoarseness is common.

As to why use high proof alcohol, it is thinner than water so you get more thinning for a given % addition to VG. It is widely used -- as a DIY person I can order my VG nic base cut with different % PGA, though I normally don't bother since most of my flavorings use alcohol. As others noted, at least for me I don't notice much TH change unless it is just a really high alcohol %, by which point the eliquid is too thin to be very useful for me.

 

[Jorge22]

No company sells 100% PG nor 100% VG. It may just be near it.

 

[tyleris12]

No company sells 100% PG nor 100% VG. It may just be near it.

Not true...there are a select few who sell 100% VG...VG based Nic, PG free flavoring, and VG. I know, because I am severly sensitive to PG and I have found a vendor who's juices contain no PG. Been vaping them for over 6 months now.

 

[Jorge22]

I'll rephrase: when they say 100% VG they don't really mean 100%. There's bound to be at least a little PG in their flavours. Anyway, the usual thing when they say 100% VG really is 80% VG + 20% PG. You can ask any honest manufacturer...

 

[Stratzilla]

I'll rephrase: when they say 100% VG they don't really mean 100%. There's bound to be at least a little PG in their flavours. Anyway, the usual thing when they say 100% VG really is 80% VG + 20% PG. You can ask any honest manufacturer...

I thought 100%VG meant however much percent VG supplemented by 5-20% of a PG alternative like distilled water, alcohol, etc. AVE even states that their 100%VG juices may not mean 100% VG, but it means 0% PG if that makes sense.

 

[tyleris12]

I'll rephrase: when they say 100% VG they don't really mean 100%. There's bound to be at least a little PG in their flavours. Anyway, the usual thing when they say 100% VG really is 80% VG + 20% PG. You can ask any honest manufacturer...

The honest vendor I use states this:

"ingredients are: organic flavors in an organic ethyl alcohol base, USP vegetable glycerine and nicotine."

They do thin their VG with Distilled water. I do agree that there are some vendors say 100% VG, yet there flavoring is PG based. I am just trying to point out that there are a few vendors that honestly do not have any PG in their juices, you just have to look hard and ask questions.

 

[markfm]

tyleris12 is correct.

While I won't call any of my mixes 100%PG or 100%VG, I absolutely do make some that are 0PG and others that are 0VG. Do a bit of leg work and you can indeed find flavors that are non-PG, as well as others that are non-VG. For non-PG I use NF for most things, TPA for alc-based tobacco and menthol, FF for mints.

Some vendors may mislabel, using PG flavorings in something they call 100% VG -- if so, they should be called out on it (preferably via PM/email, asked to correct their labeling). I haven't run across this myself, but that is only because I'm a mutt, have no problems with any VG/PG mix.

 

[Jorge22]

Ethanol may be as bad as diacetyl in ways. I like a nice cup of whisky, a glss of wine with my dinner, beer in the summer, but why on earth would you need ethanol in eliquids? Does anybody really need that just to add some TH?

 

[markfm]

What is your basis for saying pga may be as bad as diacetyl? That is a pretty severe statement.

Its use is for thinning high vg eliquid, and as a carrier for non-pg based flavorings. For example, tobacco absolute is a pretty thick, hard to work with, liquid, it is commonly cut with pga. Likewise menthol crystals are hard to use as is for non pg mixes. Organic flavors commonly use it. These uses have nothing to do with trying to increase throat hit.

 

[Jorge22]

Although I don't particularly like Tobacco Ansolute, I know it well. I don't think it does anything special for one's mixes. But allow me, you can cut it perfectly well with mere VG, no trouble at all. What about that? Just ask TPA hard enough if you don't trust me. Anyway, you can vape alcohol, meaning ethanol, as much as you like, just like anyone can vape whatever they please and even vape distilled tobacco as some people do. But it's common sense ethanol will mainly help you have a headache at the end of the day.

 

[markfm]

It is absolutely fine if you choose not to use things with pga, please just don't compare it to a known problem chemical without factual data.
Not sure where a headache would come from. Under even extreme assumptions, and ignoring the fraction vaped that is exhaled, you would not be getting more than a tiny fraction of an ounce of alcohol per hour.
(I'm only pushing back because diacetyl is a real concern in the vaping world, so comparisons to it should not be made casually.)

 

[Jorge22]

I never said diacetyl wan't a concern, of course. That's the first reason why I entered this thread. I just think it's most probably much less used these days than it once was and, of course, one must choose wisely.... I still think it's common sense ethanol really makes no difference in eliquids except for the worse, just what I think. And mind you, I'm someone who enjoys a drink and I say "enjoy" because I never drink to get drunk but I di drink regularly - the glass of beer in the summer or the glass of red wine with my dinner, the small glass of whisky while I'm playing a bit of cards, that kind of thing... But vaping ethanol... what for exactly; yes, You can say the TH and whatnot, I just don't see that much difference. As with Tobacco Absolute (I have it and choose not to use it but I did use it for a while - it does nothing for your liquids quite frankly. It's probably outdated or something). Now, back to diacetyl.

 

[altoids]

This is how I don't take a big loss on e liquid if I never bought there I use smaller sizes or trial bottles. If you want all vg I go to the vaporpro and I get mlb and hazelnut 24 mg issue blend. I have noticed letting them sit wide open can help to like cap and dripper tip off.

 

[orachel]

Boy, glad I found this thread! I'm not allergic to PG. I've been vaping it like mad for about a year and a half. But I've been reading/hearing some disturbing things about safety of PG lately. And they weren't even talking about vaping it, it was in reference to dangers of having small amount of PG in hand lotions and such. I'm super chemically sensitive to stuff and have health issues, so i've been thinking about not using PG anymore just to eliminate the risk.

Does anyone have a recommendation on a straight VG Menthol that they love? I'd be very appreciative. Thanks!

 

[orachel]

Could you share the vendor? I'm very interested. Thanks!

 

[jeffree]

I'm a VG-only guy and have used juices from various suppliers for the past two years. By far the tastiest and purest VG juices I've found come from Annette at Virgin Vapors. If you can live with non-tobacco flavs and slightly higher prices, these organic juices are amazing. She even accepts options for thinner mixes (and extra flavoring) when ordering and keeps a personal prefs file for each client. Gourmet all the way.

I hear her pure menthol is outstanding--and potent--but haven't yet tried it.

 

[Nikkita6]

I am a bit fascinated by those who prefer 100% VG, because I am wondering how one is able to create full flavors in 100% VG. The promise of thicker vape is appealing to me however, from having worked with VG in my own mixes I find that it really does mute out the flavor as well.... do the suppliers or DIY mixers add sweetner to 100 VG to make up for flavor loss?

 

[kelleymcm]

I'm not sure about the sweetners in high vg commercial juices ,but in my DIY (which is pretty much all I vape) I just use more flavorings if the flavor seems muted ? if my memory serves ...Once I only vaped high VG juices, I just got used to the flavor difference.

I guess...in my case it is just priorities . If I come across a juice (high pg)that is just too tempting & I try it ,even if the flavor is GREAT ....once my throat starts feeling funny & the hives start poping up on my neck... I remember I can live without all that flavor! Also, PG always seems very wimpy to me ...I LOVE the thick vapor of VG.

So my answer is just use more flavoring & "shake more & steep longer" seems to help too....