Alright a few beginner newb questions.

[NoRain]

Ok I recently decided that vaping might be good way for me to go to get off of the analogs. I've been doing a ton of reading here and this forum is awesome. It is a pretty confusing process trying to figure all this stuff out. First I want to thank everyone for their contributions to this forum secondly I want to ask a few a questions about stuff I just don't quite get yet.

As someone new here I'm pretty sure I don't want to be dealing with anything but cartomizers at this point. I recently ordred KR8 but I'm pretty sure I'm going to want to try the 510 too, but there seems to be a distinct lack of automatic batteries for that which, I don't seem to understand. Are manuals just universally better? I kind of think driving and such I don't want to have to look for the button to hit, maybe I'm just being lazy or maybe theres some reason for manuals being so plentiful in the 510s. I'm also confused about all the juice I tried to get a a couple of sampler carto packs to see what I'll end up liking and then hopefully just pick out my couple of favorites and order that juice. I'm also confused about how long carts are supposed to last in the kr8 and 510 estimates swing wildly I'd love to get a better estimate.

I think I'm going in the right direction so far but any other tips would be great. I appreciate the help thanks.

 

[keyzygirl]

I think the 808 is a great first ecig.I also like the sampler packs of cartomizers.I think you made a good first choice.The 510 is also good,they do have auto batteries,people dont use them as much because if the juice leaks into them they die.The manuals seem to be more durable.OK,Welcome to ECF!Your doing great!

 

[mle]

Well, as someone said to me when I joined - Welcome to the madhouse!

I don't have any experience with the 510, but I really like the 808. As far as manual/auto batteries: the manual button is not hard to find even if you're driving, and you get used to it really quickly. There seem to be a lot of problems with autos, such as stiff draw and batteries getting juice in them. If you really want the auto battery though, I believe that Liberty Flights sells auto batteries for the 510. I'm sure there are other places to get them too.

I'm not sure about 510 carto life - I'm pretty sure that cartos last longer than carts, at least the 808 cartos do (not positive on that). Somebody more experienced will have an answer to that question though!

 

[DC2]

Here's a pretty good thread to read regarding manual vs automatic batteries...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/64101-manual-automatic-batteries.html

And it's a poll too!!

 

[dormouse]

501? Do you mean 510? I'm not familiar with 501.

Re auto batteries - they tend to turn themselves on in wind or vibration - places like in a car with the window open. People have had them turn on in their pocket in wind. That's one reason manuals are popular. Another reason is you don't have to take an extra drag or an extra long drag to warm up the atty - with a manual you can just press the button 1/2 to 1 second before you start dragging on it. Then let up the button at the end while you continue dragging for a second to get out the last bit of vapor.

KR8 uses cartomizers aka cartos even though some sellers call them carts. A carto is larger than a cart, holds more juice and is atty and cart in one enclosed piece. In 3-piece mdoels, a cart is just plastic and stuffing and you can wash them and replace the stuffing and keep using them. The electric part used with a cart is a separate atty. Cartos and attys can burn out. Both need maintenance (cleaning) for best lifespan and taste. When used properly, attys should last much longer than cartos and cost more too. You can often get 5 cartos for the cost of an atty.

As far as how long does the juice that fits in either last? it depends on how you vape. I think most cartos hold between 1 and 1.5 ml of liquid which is similar to the amount of liquid some people vape per day. But I don't know how low a carto can get before you might get a burny taste of filler. Carts - some hold around 1/2 ml, some a bit more or even less. Some cart fillers people put in like blue foam are better at wicking up all of the juice and not tasting burny. Some carts and filler are bad at wicking it so you also might have to refill or top off sooner.

If you are asking about 510 (not 501) a 510 cartomizers are also available do you could try it both ways, as a 3-piece w/ atty & cart or as a 2-piece w/ carto. People seem to like the Boge cartos for 510. KR8 is a carto model, no atty available, but you can use some other brands of atty (901 w/ no adapter I think or 510 w/ adapter) and then use the atty's type of carts.

 

[NCC]

It seems to me that most of the reputable distributers don't even make claims for carto fill life. But, from my experience as a former 1.5 pack a day smoker, they seem to come to about a half pack of smokes ... at least, the way I vape. That's the thing, there's a good amount of variation depending on HOW you vape.

The KR808D-1 was my first love. And, almost 11 months in, I still use it (along with my other PVs). Can't be beat for simplicity, has great taste and has many fans even among experienced vapers.

Some experienced users have been getting irate when they see the following suggestion to newbies. But, I really don't understand why.
If you're considering a 510: Consider eGo-type instead. For about the same amount of money, you'll get a much longer lasting battery, with the same 510 battery connector.

 

[Distorted.Clarity]

if you want something simple, you could get a 510 ego/tornado or rivia. they have good battery life as compaired to the stick batteries.
also look into mods, many will take 10440 (AAA size), 14500 (AA size), cr123a or 18650 batteries. they cost a lot less than buying an ecig battery.
for stick batteries (those that look like an anolog) they run about $12 a pop
ego type batteries run around 18ish
the mod batteries run from about 5-10 but last "for the most part" a lot longer between charges.

 

[NoRain]

Yeah thanks for the responses. I did mean 510 typo sorry about that. So about a half pack per cart and I'm guessing you can refill a good blank what maybe about a half dozen times before starting to have to worry about it, is a good guess. I was between the ego, kr808, and 510. The reason I opted out on the ego was because well its big. Once I get used to not trying to simulate an analog then I might go that route right now thou I think it would be smarter of me to keep it similar in size to what I'm accustomed to I went with a PCC instead. Once I can coupe with the size difference I think Ego would be the direction to go too but I didn't want it to be a big shock.

 

[Tiari]

Hello, and welcome to the forum! You can find 510 manual and auto batteries at great prices at Value Vapor.

 

[NCC]

Maybe this will help.
Third from left is a Joye 510
To its right, is a Joye eGo with a 650 mAh battery.

It's not as enormous as it looks in some photos. Although, it IS fatter than a cigarette.
Fits nicely in your hand though. Looks classy, IMO.

 

[CherieO]

you can try a 510 kit from vapor pure here: Green Electronic Cigarettes
They have kits for $30 and it comes with both a manual & automatic battery so you can try out each and figure out which of the two you like when you decide to try out a 510.

To be honest, after a while I dont notice pushing the button on a manual battery-plus I dont have to worry about dripping with those. My pass through is manual, as is my eGo, and I far prefer them over the automatics. I plan on giving all of my automatic batts to my mother in law just so she can start using an e-cig and see if she can quit. Another fault Ive found with automatics is I have a hard time telling when a battery is dying/about to die, and with manuals you push the button-it works. With auto's you will end up puffing and puffing while trying to check the LED at the end to figure it out.

Hope that helps ^_^

 

[NoRain]

you can try a 510 kit from vapor pure here: Green Electronic Cigarettes
They have kits for $30 and it comes with both a manual & automatic battery so you can try out each and figure out which of the two you like when you decide to try out a 510.

To be honest, after a while I dont notice pushing the button on a manual battery-plus I dont have to worry about dripping with those. My pass through is manual, as is my eGo, and I far prefer them over the automatics. I plan on giving all of my automatic batts to my mother in law just so she can start using an e-cig and see if she can quit. Another fault Ive found with automatics is I have a hard time telling when a battery is dying/about to die, and with manuals you push the button-it works. With auto's you will end up puffing and puffing while trying to check the LED at the end to figure it out.

Hope that helps ^_^

Thats actually about perfect. Shame there pcc kit doesn't come with 2 batteries. Still might try that. Same exact reasoning I want another set to pawn off on my mother too but I want to try them both out first. I'm kind of amazed to see how many southerners are on these forums considering I've never seen a PV in the flesh before. It never occured to me that one might kind of look silly trying to see if the led was coming on while having there mouth on the other end of an auto so yeah I can kind of see the advantage of manuals now. That and the overwhelming poll results from a reply earlier in this thread.

Thanks for all the help.

 

[grantemsley]

Automatic batteries have a lot more electronics in them...electronics that don't like eliquid. And because the sensor has to know when you are sucking on it, it can't be sealed, so eventually you WILL get liquid in it.

After a couple days using the manual battery, you won't even realize you are pressing the button. It will just happen automatically.

 

[Distorted.Clarity]

the auto will be fine with a carto, its using an atty where you get the leaking. (first post states they want to use cartos, and good idea)
you can get leaks on a carto if you are filling them but you can just blow threw it and get that extra out..
i'm no fan of autos or stick batteries. but what may be good for me, may not be good for you.
the majority of people go the route we all do and go manual with a larger device. mostly because of how often you have to charge and the complications with getting juice into the auto vacuum switch. its not an issue of juice faulting the electrnoics (juice is non-conductive) the issue is that there is a vacuum plunger under the positive terminal and when juice gets in there, it will mess up the on/off of the device.

 

[mle]

Some experienced users have been getting irate when they see the following suggestion to newbies. But, I really don't understand why.
If you're considering a 510: Consider eGo-type instead. For about the same amount of money, you'll get a much longer lasting battery, with the same 510 battery connector.

Or, if the 808 appeals more to your taste, there is the PigCig or the Elegant. They have bigger batteries than the 808, but apparently they are shorter than the 808 batteries. These are threaded for 808 cartos/901 attys. (I think - someone correct this if I'm wrong =/)

 

[DonG]

The "cone" on the Ego/volcano etc is a highly underrated component imo. If you can do with the somewhat larger diameter over the 510 size, it also pretty much eliminates external leaks of juice which result from overfills/overzealous dripping (sooner or later it will happen). If I flood my ego atty I just blow back through the mouthpiece; any excess juice is caught in the cone without making a mess. If I did the same with my 510s I would have to have a paper towel always handy to wipe off the leakage. Much less messy.

 

[orachel]

Hi there! I'm a noob to these forums also, but been vaping for about 6 mos...totally off analogs since day 1. I just got my first eGo w manual battery today. LOVE it, and boy...so much easier and less potential to fry batteries than i had with my old Firelight ultra (thats a micro mini...exactly analog sized) which was automatic. I was frying about 3-4 batteries a month at $10 a pop, and probably about 3 atomizers (attys) as well...another $10 a pop. I thought I was loving my ecig experience until i realized not everyone was buying a new double kit plus extras every month! Soooo...just having that automatic battery cost me a bloody fortune. Its got a hole in it, you see..and inevitably gets juice in it eventually...dead battery. So my suggestion based on my own experience is get a manual. Honestly, you don't even think about pushing the button...its not like trying to use a safety lighter or anything.

I just got a whole double kit...rocks! Its of the Joye eGo (seems to be about the most popular one around these parts..or at least most recommended). I gather its near identical to the 510 only slightly larger (trust me, its not weirdly large..just bigger than a cig) and has MUCH more powerful battery. Batteries running out of juice and or dying/constantly cleaning switching out flooded atomizers...this was the bane of my existance with the auto battery and the micro sized cig. Anyway, i just got a full double kit (2 of everything but one charger) of the Joye eGo at Liberty Flights...they're running a special for $40...everywhere else is about $90 for same thing. Plus i grabbed a pack of 5 cartomizers (cartridge/atty combo thingie) to try those out. Incl shipping it was $52 and it was delivered 2 days after i ordered it....
Geez...they just raised the price...now its $50 instead of $40, sorry!
Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Joye eGo

Nope..i lied. Heres the link with the auto 20% off discount, which does take it to $40. But you can't use any coupon codes with the discount..
Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Joye eGo

Btw, i didn't get any because i checked out before i saw em, but they have a bazillion flavors of juice for about $2.50 each...good way to pick up a few to try out.

Question...
You mentioned 'sampler carto' packs prefilled with juice flavors? Could you maybe tell me where you found em? Pretty pretty please? thanks!

Also, Totally Wicked is having some crazy xmas sale...discount goes higher and lower randomly, but its going down to more than 60% off at times...

 

[TxMagic]

Buttons on manual batteries are easier to use than a child-proof lighter. Manuals allow you to take a longer drag. Can be done with auto, but requires interrupting the draw then starting right back up again.

Welcome to ECF and enjoy the ride!

 

[Phantompigbee5]

I started with a 510 but the batt had to be charged alot so I got a mega 510 which I luv then I ordered the mega ego good but big for me just got the reg ego just right I like the mega cylinder atty with the 2.5 ml cart still small enough to palm but plenty of juice just ordered mine in blue from puresmoker.com 49.99