Am I MISSING Something?

[speedmcqueen]

First of all my new member status belies my PV experience. I've been using the devices in various configurations for over a year now.

Here is my current setup: Silver Bullet at 3.7v with LR 510 Atty between the 1.5 and 1.7 ohm range typically debridged. Juices are dripped in either case.

Here is my question:
In this device configuration it seems the only juices that I can get to work properly are the Dekang ones. People rave about Backwoods Brew, Vaperite, Gourmet Vapor etc. But just about anything I drip on the coil seems to taste terrible, or clog the atty until it needs a wash or stops functioning entirely. I've used multiple (brands) of atomizers from Bauway, to Cisco, Eastmall, and Joye. Most recently, my use of BB juices has killed Ciscos, EM's and Joyes at a rate of 1 every couple of days.

Like I said, I've been vaping for some time so you'll need to trust me that this is not procedural error. I understand the special maintenance that comes along with LR vaping.

So am I missing something? Sometimes I can debridge and the attys will come back to short life, same with washing (I use warm water for about 90 seconds), but pretty quickly die out.

I've tried everything; device repair, new batteries, you name it. Just wondering what I might be doing differently than the others who seem to enjoy all these terrific juices and 2 week atomizer lifespans. Throw me a bone guys.

Thanks in advance for any counsel.

 

[Eclipsed1770]

I have a feeling it has to do with the PG/VG mix. I know BB juices are heavily VG, but gourmet vapors is usually less VG. Are you vaping sweet juices?

Edit: you see where I'm going here, I think it's the juice not the setup.

 

[dormouse]

You are missing cartomizers? I love cartomizers for my favorite flavors. Each flavors with its own built-in atomizer.

BTW - FreedomSmokeUSA sells some debridged attys - I wonder if one of those would suffer a similar fate.

And those are pretty low resistance attys for 3.7 aren't they? A freshly charged 3.7 battery can be 4.2v. With a 1.7 atty on 4.2 that is 10 watts

 

[Wolf]

I have and do use the Silver Bullet at 3.7v. I've been using it with a 510/801 adapter and 801 attys from Heavens Gift. Recently I purchased the 510 cannon atomizer from IkenVape. They come in different Ω ratings for LR and HV. I find the 2.5Ω to be similar to the 801, but better. It's hard to explain, but I've been using the same atty for two or three weeks now. They cost a bit more ($7.99 ea) but seem to be a very sturdy atty.

I use 80/20 VG/PG and 70/30 VG/PG with 4mg/ml or 0mg/ml nicotine.

Backwoods Brew Quote from their main page
"All Juices are a 70/30 PG/VG mix Except for Malty and Malty Toffee which are 30/70 PG/VG"

 

[TNGJester]

I don't really know, I use 100% VG juice most of the time. I know the very few dekang juices I use are mostly PG juices. With that being said I have not realized a difference in the life of my attys.

 

[dormouse]

I've seen other people have coil overheating issues with high VG - it can wick so slow. Have you tried thinning them with some distilled water or edible pure grain alcohol? That might help. Or buy US juices - try 50/50, 70pg/30vg, 80pg/20vg

 

[webbcm127]

well i dont have a SB but i do have a BB and rock the 3.7 with LR all the time, ive used the mentioned juices and i too like them and my last atty lated over a month. if i were you id let some of the juices steep a little bit...but ill assume youve tried that, so now my assumption is it could be the primer....but youve been doing this a while so maybe not, might i suggest getting a small bottle of pure VG or PG and drip your few drops on there then try the juice...this might help with some of your problems and also try this when switching flavors, oh ive also started using those air dusters to blow out the attys rather then a soak or wash and all of that, works great for me but YMMV, hope one of these will get you going again, worse case try a 2-2.5ohm atty still LR but not as much, good luck!

 

[JW50]

VG/PG issue seems the most reasonable first approach to getting at answer for failures. Other differences in ingredients might also produce different heat characteristics at the coil and early failure for some mixes. (I find considerable differences in taste on PG vs VG. Not that this is case, but seems possible that one versus the other gets hotter, vaporizes out or "settles" out some component of the mix and produces different tastes and failures as a result.)

 

[JW50]

VG/PG issue seems the most reasonable first approach to getting at answer for failures. Other differences in ingredients might also produce different heat characteristics at the coil and early failure for some mixes. (I find considerable differences in taste on PG vs VG. Not that this is case, but seems possible that one versus the other gets hotter, vaporizes out or "settles" out some component of the mix and produces different tastes and failures as a result.)

With the "settling" mentioned producing some residue on coil that causes heat concentration in certain spots on the wire that leads to early failure? Just a hypothesis.

 

[mgaruccio]

BWB juices are 70/30 pg/vg (except for 2 flavors I think) and shouldn't cause the atties to clog so I'm not sure that that is the problem here. When you say the atomizers are dying are they completely failing to fire or are they degrading to the point where they are unsatisfying? if its the latter it could be a case of using dark juices that are then clogging the atty.

oh and just a note on the voltage, 1.5-1.7 is what alot of people use on 3.7 volt batts, personally I have been running that setup for about a month and ive only killed one atty which was my fault because I forgot to prime it(long day lol) 10-12 watts is perfect imho.

 

[Wolf]

Isn't Dekang strickly PG? I no longer have any Dekang. Got rid of it all as it made both of us ill. We use high VG now. It makes lovely clouds of vapor and doesn't give us headaches.

 

[Wolf]

oh and just a note on the voltage, 1.5-1.7 is what alot of people use on 3.7 volt batts, personally I have been running that setup for about a month and ive only killed one atty which was my fault because I forgot to prime it(long day lol) 10-12 watts is perfect imho.

That is perfect if you like a warm to hot vape. We use 2.5Ω for the mild almost cool vape. I've even been known to use a 3.5Ω on a 3.7v battery just for a nice cool vape.

 

[JW50]

BWB juices are 70/30 pg/vg (except for 2 flavors I think) and shouldn't cause the atties to clog so I'm not sure that that is the problem here. When you say the atomizers are dying are they completely failing to fire or are they degrading to the point where they are unsatisfying? if its the latter it could be a case of using dark juices that are then clogging the atty.

oh and just a note on the voltage, 1.5-1.7 is what alot of people use on 3.7 volt batts, personally I have been running that setup for about a month and ive only killed one atty which was my fault because I forgot to prime it(long day lol) 10-12 watts is perfect imho.

Could be wrong here but thought watts were V squared over ohms. (And should be loaded V at that.) Can't get to 10-12 by my calculation.

 

[BiancaMontgomery]

I totally blame the VG. I've gone from 70 or 60%VG to 50/50 and it's still destroying my LR attys in a week or less...every brand...so my last order was with 30%VG, waiting for it to get here to see if it helps. Also waiting on a new LR Joye to arrive to pair them up and see what happens. I love cartos but get tired of replacing them so often, but the attys are getting to be just as bad.

 

[Boodle]

First of all my new member status belies my PV experience. I've been using the devices in various configurations for over a year now.

Here is my current setup: Silver Bullet at 3.7v with LR 510 Atty between the 1.5 and 1.7 ohm range typically debridged. Juices are dripped in either case.

Here is my question:
In this device configuration it seems the only juices that I can get to work properly are the Dekang ones. People rave about Backwoods Brew, Vaperite, Gourmet Vapor etc. But just about anything I drip on the coil seems to taste terrible, or clog the atty until it needs a wash or stops functioning entirely. I've used multiple (brands) of atomizers from Bauway, to Cisco, Eastmall, and Joye. Most recently, my use of BB juices has killed Ciscos, EM's and Joyes at a rate of 1 every couple of days.

Like I said, I've been vaping for some time so you'll need to trust me that this is not procedural error. I understand the special maintenance that comes along with LR vaping.

So am I missing something? Sometimes I can debridge and the attys will come back to short life, same with washing (I use warm water for about 90 seconds), but pretty quickly die out.

I've tried everything; device repair, new batteries, you name it. Just wondering what I might be doing differently than the others who seem to enjoy all these terrific juices and 2 week atomizer lifespans. Throw me a bone guys.

Thanks in advance for any counsel.

I have the same setup and similar issues with LR 510 attys not lasting on a 3.7v setup. 510 HV attys at 6v were fine in the SB but the enhanced flavor at 3.7 sold me. With the LR technology available it just made sense to me. I gave up on the LR 510s and switched to LR 306 attys at 1.5 to 1.8 ohm. Ave, KBV, Halo are my everyday juices (for now) and working fantastic. I have 3 PVs loaded with different flavors. The attys are 22 days old and still going strong. I take them off at night, rinse in hot water, blow from both ends while washing and load them in the morning.

I tried the Ikenvape cannon stealth LR 510s and they leak like crazy. Just ridiculous. There's a thread here about it. Maybe gen2 will be better. Their HVs don't seem to have so many issues.

That's a frustrating problem. Hope you find a solution fast. Good luck.

PS: I vape. A lot. If your order 306s be sure to test every one on arrival. Two in my order were DOA and I was too late to get replacements.

 

[Renzuli]

Boodle , Is correct , and on the right track . Go with the 306 atty's , and like she said , check them , when you first receive them , to check for DOA'S . That's actually , a good thing to do , for all atty's and carto's . Not much fun , to be down to your last atty , and find out , it's doa .

 

[mgaruccio]

Could be wrong here but thought watts were V squared over ohms. (And should be loaded V at that.) Can't get to 10-12 by my calculation.

I don't really have a setup to test loaded voltage at the moment with my reo but wattage is voltage x current and current is the I in the equation V=IR so if you have a 4.2 volt battery with an atomizer at 1.5 ohms you take 4.2 and divide it by 1.5 in order to find the current which would be 2.8. Then you multiply the battery current by the battery voltage, so in this case 4.2*2.8 which would give you 11.76 watts so you are right in that 12 isn't really possible but you can get very close, and 10 is very common.

the much easier way to calculate all of that is to use this - Ohm's Law Calculator

 

[JW50]

I totally blame the VG. I've gone from 70 or 60%VG to 50/50 and it's still destroying my LR attys in a week or less...every brand...so my last order was with 30%VG, waiting for it to get here to see if it helps. Also waiting on a new LR Joye to arrive to pair them up and see what happens. I love cartos but get tired of replacing them so often, but the attys are getting to be just as bad.

I think you're on the right track. VG just has some negatives to it compared to PG. Did you never try 100% PG? I think it would be worth a shot if not tried in past.

 

[JW50]

I don't really have a setup to test loaded voltage at the moment with my reo but wattage is voltage x current and current is the I in the equation V=IR so if you have a 4.2 volt battery with an atomizer at 1.5 ohms you take 4.2 and divide it by 1.5 in order to find the current which would be 2.8. Then you multiply the battery current by the battery voltage, so in this case 4.2*2.8 which would give you 11.76 watts so you are right in that 12 isn't really possible but you can get very close, and 10 is very common.

the much easier way to calculate all of that is to use this - Ohm's Law Calculator

I think with V=IR and watts = VI you end up with watts = V*V/R. In the above you use 4.2 as V whereas in prior post you mentioned 3.7. Taking the square into account, that is 29% variation. In reality, I expect loaded voltage is probably in range of 3.4 to 3.8 - more toward the lower. 3.5 times 3.5 divided by 1.5 is 8. Now, nothing wrong with 8 if it provides "it" - what ever "it" is.

 

[Speed McQueen]

Thanks for weighing in everybody. I think I'll take the recommended advice and give the 306 LR attys a try. Also for the time being I'll move back to the 80PG/20VG mix, as that seems to be acceptable for my setup. To be honest I've not been blowing out, or washing my atomizers nightly, so that might make a difference too.