Am i wrong?

[morningcalls]

I thought that i have read somewhere that a lithium ion battery was definitely not the way to go when it came to mods or vaping in general. i stumbled upon a "mod" from a website just not, and the prices are great but it only offers a li ion battery to come along with it. so...

is what i stated above true?

im a nuub... sorry...

 

[sailorman]

No. A lithium-ion is the way to go. But, it depends on what type of Lithium-ion it is, and whether it is protected or not.

The 3 most common types of lithium-ion batteries are regular lithium-ions, ICR Lithium-ions and IMR Lithium-ions.

Except for the IMR batteries, that use a safer chemistry than the others, the important thing is that they be "protected". That means they have a circuit inside the battery that shuts it down if it over-discharges below about 2.7 volts, or if it over charges above 4.23 Volts, or if it shorts out.

IMR batteries don't need that circuit because they use a different chemistry. The others do.

So, if you see a mod that includes a lithium ion battery, just make sure that battery is either protected or it is an IMR battery.

 

[MattyT]

No. A lithium-ion is the way to go. But, it depends on what type of Lithium-ion it is, and whether it is protected or not.

The 3 most common types of lithium-ion batteries are regular lithium-ions, ICR Lithium-ions and IMR Lithium-ions.

Except for the IMR batteries, that use a safer chemistry than the others, the important thing is that they be "protected". That means they have a circuit inside the battery that shuts it down if it over-discharges below about 2.7 volts, or if it over charges above 4.23 Volts, or if it shorts out.

IMR batteries don't need that circuit because they use a different chemistry. The others do.

So, if you see a mod that includes a lithium ion battery, just make sure that battery is either protected or it is an IMR battery.

Exactly. Well said sailorman!!

 

[tj99959]

Opinions swing both ways. Some say protected bats are the way to go while others say that safe chemistry is.
The reality is that what you plan to do with the battery has a lot to do with the decision.
Personally, if I am going to use safe chemistry I want some sort of protection against a short in an atty/carto built into the device that I am using the battery in. Even if it doesn't explode or go into thermal runaway, I have no desire to experience a 1,000 - 2,000mAh battery discharging in 0.3 seconds (if you get my meaning)

 

[djwyman]

or you can wait for the device that is coming out to help keep you safe:

A PBusardo Video - VapeBashFest Vid 2 - Matt & Brian from EpipeMods - YouTube

 

[sailorman]

Opinions swing both ways. Some say protected bats are the way to go while others say that safe chemistry is.
The reality is that what you plan to do with the battery has a lot to do with the decision.
Personally, if I am going to use safe chemistry I want some sort of protection against a short in an atty/carto built into the device that I am using the battery in. Even if it doesn't explode or go into thermal runaway, I have no desire to experience a 1,000 - 2,000mAh battery discharging in 0.3 seconds (if you get my meaning)

Check out the vid at CalliesKustoms.com He shorted a 2250mah Panasonic IMR. It reached a whopping 180 degrees. That's about the same temperature as the coffee that the lady sued McDonalds over. In contrast the AW IMR reached 235 degrees. That's considerably hotter, but neither battery would have caused any serious injury if it was enclosed in a metal mod.

Also, under shorting conditions, neither battery discharged in anywhere near .3 seconds. The panasonic took nearly a minute to reach 180 degrees. The AW reached max. temp in over 30 seconds. If you are dumb or numb enough to stand around for a minute while your PV gets hotter and hotter, you won't feel anything anyway.

Ideally, the device would also have a protection circuit, but I'd sooner trust chemistry than some Chinese lady with a soldering iron or a robot stamping out PCBs. Chemistry never fails. It acts the very same way every single time. I have no qualms whatsoever about using an IMR in a mod with no electronic circuitry. I have fewer qualms using an IMR battery than relying on a built in PCB in a Lithium battery.

 

[Fyre904]

or you can wait for the device that is coming out to help keep you safe:

A PBusardo Video - VapeBashFest Vid 2 - Matt & Brian from EpipeMods - YouTube

I can see these being in high demand such a simple idea for anyone to use. Aside from protection you just have to maintain a general awareness, be careful with your batteries respect them and you should have no problems. I use protected ultrafire bats in my omega, also the eGo bats are li ion as well. They are generally safe when used with protection and an aware user.

 

[elfstone]

I am biased, but my belief is that safe chem (such as IMR) in a mod that has active safety features (overcurrent, undercharge, temperature and whatnot), along with some passive (melting spring, inner non-conducting sleeve, non-stick switch, you name it) is the way to go.

 

[DC2]

or you can wait for the device that is coming out to help keep you safe:

A PBusardo Video - VapeBashFest Vid 2 - Matt & Brian from EpipeMods - YouTube

Wow......

For those of you that haven't been vaping for years, you have no idea how amazing some of this stuff really is.
Back when I started, I had to walk uphill both ways in the snow just to get a good vape.

Vaping technology is really starting to hit the big time, and the people on these forums are the very reason why.
We demand better solutions, and there are people ready, willing, and able to provide better solutions.

Kudos to all of you, and to all of us.
It makes me proud to be a vaper.

 

[tj99959]

Check out the vid at CalliesKustoms.com He shorted a 2250mah Panasonic IMR. It reached a whopping 180 degrees. That's about the same temperature as the coffee that the lady sued McDonalds over. In contrast the AW IMR reached 235 degrees. That's considerably hotter, but neither battery would have caused any serious injury if it was enclosed in a metal mod.

Also, under shorting conditions, neither battery discharged in anywhere near .3 seconds. The panasonic took nearly a minute to reach 180 degrees. The AW reached max. temp in over 30 seconds. If you are dumb or numb enough to stand around for a minute while your PV gets hotter and hotter, you won't feel anything anyway.

Ideally, the device would also have a protection circuit, but I'd sooner trust chemistry than some Chinese lady with a soldering iron or a robot stamping out PCBs. Chemistry never fails. It acts the very same way every single time. I have no qualms whatsoever about using an IMR in a mod with no electronic circuitry. I have fewer qualms using an IMR battery than relying on a built in PCB in a Lithium battery.

So far I haven't seen two vids of shorted batteries reacting exactly the same, and "safe chemistry" reacts very badly when it is an unprotected Li-Ion cell in that IMR wrapper.

 

[sailorman]

So far I haven't seen two vids of shorted batteries reacting exactly the same, and "safe chemistry" reacts very badly when it is an unprotected Li-Ion cell in that IMR wrapper.

And rat poison in an e-juice bottle will react badly as well. Don't buy your batteries from a no-name discount website. Buy high qualty brand name batteries, like Panasonic. Don't try to save a buck on generics. It's just as common to have cheap, defective PCB's sitting on top of your battery as to run into a counterfeit AW or, especially, a counterfeit Panasonic or Sanyo.

Two shorted batteries don't have to react exactly the same to prove the difference between two entirely different types of batteries. A shorted li-ion will never only reach 180 degrees. A shorted IMR will never go into thermal runaway, flame or explode.

Two batteries with the same capacity, chemistry, state of charge and condition WILL act nearly enough to the same that any differences are moot. Chemical reactions are consistent and predictable. That's the nature of chemistry. They're not dependent on the soldering skills of someone or the maintenance of a PCB making robot or the Q.C. of the plant that makes or installs that PCB. If an IMR is really an IMR, it is safer than a PCB on a li-ion. If you want to talk about counterfeits, that's a whole different issue. There are millions of counterfeit protected li-ions out there with blank or otherwise defective PCB boards.

 

[dlsw]

Wow......

For those of you that haven't been vaping for years, you have no idea how amazing some of this stuff really is.
Back when I started, I had to walk uphill both ways in the snow just to get a good vape.

Vaping technology is really starting to hit the big time, and the people on these forums are the very reason why.
We demand better solutions, and there are people ready, willing, and able to provide better solutions.

Kudos to all of you, and to all of us.
It makes me proud to be a vaper.

That is so funny! You forgot to add, "in the snow with no shoes and we LIKED it!" Anyway, I am amazed when I see the join dates and hear the stories and look back at really old posts that anyone was able to quit smoking with the older equipment. It has come a really long way! It is a great time to be a vaper.

 

[morningcalls]

wow thats alot of info, thanks alot you guys! ive been vaping for almost a year but with mostly an ego. i have gone through using a drip style with the atomizer, until they burn out in less than a week, to a different brand of ego, to cartomizers, to clearomizers, and now im using the ego vision "stardust". what i am really looking for is a smaller mod, preferably a VV with a long lasting (durable) atty, carty, whatever that will have lots of flavor and will last me longer than a few days. i have thought about trying a carto with a tank system but im not really a fan of the filler taste. does anyone recommend a specific setup/ vendor?


Thanks

 

[DC2]

That is so funny! You forgot to add, "in the snow with no shoes and we LIKED it!" Anyway, I am amazed when I see the join dates and hear the stories and look back at really old posts that anyone was able to quit smoking with the older equipment. It has come a really long way! It is a great time to be a vaper.

Seriously.

There were no tanks, there were no bottom-feeders, there weren't even any cartomizers.
There was no variable-voltage, or low-resistance, or television.

We used blue foam, or buff puffs, or pipe screens for wicking material.

We discussed and compared the virtues of 901 vs 801 vs 510 vs 401 vs RN4081 models.
And we vaped Dekang juice, and we liked it, because we had to.

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

DC you forgot the teabag mod.... Oh i would so not be in love with those carts any more.... But hey its what we had, How we started. How this technology has evolved in just a few short years.
Morning, Welcome to the ECF. Theres lots of smaler mods but the attys are consumable products generally. Theres some out there that are rebuildable or reconfigurable but generally they are a fair amount of work to get them refined for your personal tastes. Theres a bunch of technical info over in the mods forum which would be a great place to stop over and find out more info. Good Luck. Happy Vaping.

 

[DC2]

DC you forgot the teabag mod....

Oh snap! How could I forget the pyramid tea bags?

I tried those once, but I guess my fingers are too big to roll those damn things.
I was a blue foam man back in the day.


Hey, you're March 2011, how would you know of such things?

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

I started earlier than i even knew about the ecf.....Plus I was totally into making what i had around be of use for my new addiction(lol) My first unit was a 4081 and to think i only had one battery and that was ok for like two months..... Then i got a 510(for like a month) couldnt stand waiting by the charger so i picked up an ego(found the ecf) and it all went uphill from there. P.S. I got the teabag mod to work twice ever, strictly by dumb luck...... so dont feel bad. It was no better than blue foam....

 

[subZero]

Thank you for this information cleared doubts in my head. Ive been using an ego for a very long time and recently switch to a vv mod.

 

[YKruss]

Looking back I don't believe that I was able to quit smoking the moment after receiving M402 - oh those tiny fast drying cartridges!!!

 

[nuggetz]

So, which popular batteries are of which type? Seems like a good idea to include that information in this thread. I have a lava tube type VV mode. I think it has an 18650 without the nipple. Is this an unsafe battery?