An Actual Post About Vaping.....Product Suggestions

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SnowDragon

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It used to be talking about non-V4L product lines was rather taboo....but as I see it that changed once the "OEM" kits became regularly stocked items.

The 5V OMG was an epic failure which I am glad to see gone for good. Advertised as a regulated Mod, it wasn't and it's lack of safety features along with the use of one the worst batteries used in vaping made it a pure liability. I did a video review on it and I clearly let it be known that I couldn't in good conscious endorse it.

Then came the Aurora, the "Nothing like it on the market today" a statement which spoke for itself since it had been on the market for almost a year from Ovale. Another PV that I wish had never been carried that required specific pretty costly atomizers and had leaking tank issues. Not the worst PV, but still a strange stand alone that was not compatible with KR or 510 equipment.

The KR Egos...well what can you say? They are Egos, a main staple in most Vapers arsenals as back-up to APVs (mods) the Ego is a proven product. Good battery life, lightweight, compact, high mAh rating for tanks, bringing the unregulated Egos with a KR fitting was a good move...instead of the Vgos which are/were junk. The only setback of course are those darn threads which are not compatible with any Ego collars on the market should you like to use tanks. Sure..it's an aesthetic thing, but then again aren't most purchases heavily weighted on aesthetics?

Bringing in new PV lines:

Every company wants to cater to their customer niche, V4L's has until recently focused on what are considered starter batteries. The idea of bringing in mid-level or advanced PVs to cater to the mid-level or advanced Vaper makes sense. After all, if you are going to buy them why not buy them from V4L? In no way am I dissing KR batts, of which V4L makes the best hands down, but most new Vapers are attracted to Stick Batts or KRs due to their analog like dimensions and price. After awhile they start looking around as their comfort level rises and their needs demand more than a Stick Batt can offer.

While we are still waiting (2 years now) for the V4L Mod to make an appearance one thing is clear. The first 2 choices for mid-level and higher-level vaping fell far short of the mark leaving a void in the product lines.

It's not easy finding OEM stuff out there that is good, safe, affordable, and most importantly available in high volume. There is a reason why large resellers do not carry the ProVari, Darwin, Empire Mod or items like the Lava Tanks. The manufactures simply cannot supply large resellers with the high volume numbers needed. On top of that the profit margins are so slim on these APVs or specialized accessories that just carrying them would be a complete money loser.

As most folks know I am forever trying out new PVs, tanks, etc. to stay up to date with the industry and technology. Over the last 2 years Variable Voltage mods have become very popular and with good reason. There are currently 2 VVs that recently hit the market that have really caught my eye and meet all the criteria for V4L's mid-level and high-level needs. I have personally used these units for awhile now and they are impressive.

Both are made in China from manufacturers that can meet V4L's high volume needs. Both have an adequate mark-up margin, perform well, offer true Variable Voltage and are safe.

Mid-Level: The Ego-C Twist from Joyetech is available in both 650 mAh and 1,000 mAh. I have been playing with one for several weeks and believe it would make a great mid-level addition to the product line. I wouldn't even bother with putting a KR fitting on it, instead I would just carry the 510 XL DC tank cartos and tank collars. Why not? If you put a KR fitting on it, it will require special collars for tanks..why rebuild the wheel?

High-Level: The Vmax Version 2 from Smoketech is another APV that I have become very impressed with. It has the form and function of a ProVari, the Step-Down Switch technology of the Buzz and the old familiar Ego Button. V4L has a relationship with Smoketech and I hope they take a close look at this unit.

Like most of Smoketech's attempts at PVs the Version 1 isn't very good, the button is weak, the voltage is all over the place, and voltage reset when replacing batteries is around 5.4v (unsafe) which is way too high. But the Version 2 has addressed all of those issues in the Stainless Steel model. The Chrome model claims to be a Version 2, and in a sense it is only because it addressed the voltage and reset issues, but it still utilizes the Version 1 button.

I think Smoketech has done a good job with their Tanks and Tank Cartos, but the PV's...well...not so much. I've already noted my thoughts on the 5V Mod (aka OMG aka Wow aka LMAO). Every supplier and their brother-in-law's roommate now carry The Bolt, a mechanical mod which hit the market 6 months ago. A knock-off of the Silver Bullet it is heavy duty and able to carry an 18650 battery with an added extender which leaves this Mod as ok in my book. However it suffers from wiring issues (too thin) which causes the switches to blow, especially if your using LR tank cartos like 1.5s.

That being said, the Vmax Version 2 is a step in right direction and worthy of taking a close look at.

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    Hi Snow, have to agree that it's nice to finally see a post about vaping. Seems to me both this forum and V4Ls have become more 'social' than vaping informative. If that had been the case when I first began looking into ecigs, I'm not sure that I would have found the helpful info I needed to make an easy, informed decision. That being said, thanks for you insight on this stuff.
     

    jaz2099

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    Awesome read.

    Re: the ego-c twist, I think having the kr threading might be a good thing since if you're talking about v4l customers upgrading, the jump would be less drastic as the accessories, cartos and tanks they may have already purchased aren't suddenly all useless. That was the case for me, I'd already purchased a few tanks and a 3 month supply of cartos while they were on sale that I didn't want to go to waste so I got a Riva 901 bundle.
     

    waylonjessi4ever

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    I don't know ...v4l's customers seem to be a mix of those never even wanting to branch out and those of us that have already researched additions /changes to our vaping hardware ..i will always be a v4l 808 /titan/ego person but have been on other forums or read what other people are getting and if i want it ,i wont wait ...so many cos already selling ego twist and all competitive pricing so they'd have to compete in price it seems .....
     

    waylonjessi4ever

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    Awesome read.

    Re: the ego-c twist, I think having the kr threading might be a good thing since if you're talking about v4l customers upgrading, the jump would be less drastic as the accessories, cartos and tanks they may have already purchased aren't suddenly all useless. That was the case for me, I'd already purchased a few tanks and a 3 month supply of cartos while they were on sale that I didn't want to go to waste so I got a Riva 901 bundle.

    or just get adaptors from v4l.....
     

    SnowDragon

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    Bravo, SnowDragon! :thumb:

    I hope V4L does look into both the vamx and the twist! However I agree with jaz2099 that V4L should stick with the kr808 threading, since that would be compatible with all our other V4L hardware.

    I really really really would love to have an 808 vv APV!! :)

    I guess my line of thought on the Twist and the post connector is from the experience of those current KR Ego owners. V4L already sells the 510/808 adapters, already has a relationship with Smoketech so getting 510 Tanks/Cartos would be a snap, the added height of the KR fitting would require manufacturing a unique longer cone adapter for a sleeker more uniformed one-piece look when using tanks.


    I'm just throwing this out there into the universe, but bringing in the 510 stuff would also work well for the Vmax which is only available with a 510 fitting. There are only a few APV maker that I can think of that offer an 808 fitting due to the fact that having a threaded post on the end of an APV means that the thread can get knurled if you just happen to drop it the wrong way. It's not so much of a worry with light weight stick batts or the Ego, but it is a concern for larger, heavier APVs.


    One other added thought is just the delay time...waiting for the manufacturer to gear up for an 808 fitting. As it stands, by sticking with the stock 510 fitting, and bringing in 510 accessories all that would need to be done would be a couple of phone calls and everything could be in stock within 30 days.

    "If" they were to make a longer specialized cones for the Twist for 3.5 & 6 ml tanks, then I would agree....a KR fitting would be cool. Egos when decked out with a Tank and matching Tank Cone look pretty sweet.

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    Iowa Gal

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    I have to agree..the VV options would be great. I also agree...to get this off the ground just offer the adapters with the product. All pops uses are his beloved Cool Cart Traditional Tobacco..but he is using a battery with longer life and his 510/808 adapters when he is out of the house. When he's at home his V4L passthru is his best friend:laugh:
     

    MystStick

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    Thanks Snowdragon for your excellent and informative post. I have been anxiously awaiting news on a new OEM device being carried by V4L. There have been hints and some of us are REALLY really ready for something new to compliment our existing equipment. It keeps the vaping experience alive and gives us something new to talk about and compare on the forum.

    I have checked into some of the equipment you mentioned, but don't really know enough about the various types out there to not get myself in trouble by spending money on a product that isn't fulfilling my needs. Therefore, I wait because I trust the staff at V4L to find the one that works best for their customer base. I believe they know and understand the needs of their own customers as well as what attracts new ones. I trust V4L to pick a product that performs well for all types of users. I know many of their members have advanced mods, but I would love to see some sort of middle ground as you mentioned in your review.

    Maybe you can give them a **push** to get these on the market shelf!!
     

    katz-in-boots

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    Well, I'm not quite sure what I want to say. Snowdragon, you raise some good points, as do others.

    As I've told Snowdragon, I've recently been playing with 510 threaded devices, including high-end VV mods. In Australia, almost everything is 510 thread, very difficult to get cartos etc for KR808 thread devices, so it makes sense for me to switch.
    Yet a part of me yearns to stay with the 808s.

    Currently I am playing with 510 threaded ego twists. Meh, they're okay. For me, a 650 mah battery lasts maybe 3-4 hours (I am a heavy vaper using LR tank cartos) so that's okay. The draw, I find too airy. On high-end device I was constantly sucking too hard & saturating the tank cartos. In the end, what probably works best for me is a simple diamond auto shorty - I can suck hard on them. My current vaping set up is a mish-mash of 510 & 808 thread stuff, with chargers, cartos & tanks, adapters & tank collars all over the place. It's a mess!!!

    An ego twist with KR808 thread might lure me back, but what I would really like to see is 808 threaded mega cartos that work well & look good on the titans or an 808 threaded ego twist, as well as suitable tank collars. A good 3-4 ml, easy fill carto (not a clearomizer, tried those and they are not for me :blink:)

    I have evolved from the need to have something that looks like a cig, but not beyond the sheer hit of an auto shorty.
     

    MystStick

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    Never mind, so much to say that simply can't.... Just hope the next V4L release isn't another OEM item, but a V4L made one...... :)

    Now that would be COOL!!!! I just assumed since Smilin is back from a trip to China........ well you know what happens when one ...-U-MEs!!!!!

    You just love to keep us on the edge of our seats and at the keyboard, ready to buy! LOL
     

    Morandir835

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    The biggest difference between the 510 and the 808 is airflow. Even the best adapters on the market still hinder the airflow slightly when going from a king diamond with an 808 connection to it. On the same note though only those who value airflow will notice this. Never considered when I went to a mod that I had outgrown 808 stick batts, far from it, still have them in my arsenal. Using an apv will never replace the analog experience, vaping doesn't either but it's far closer than inhaling off of something that resembles a flashlight more than an analog. Do I think everyone at some point should get a mod, yes. At the very least you'll find it's not for you. On the same note do I think everyone should go out and get the highest end mod on the market, just like Snow sir, no. If V4L can find a way to use the twist's technology on an ego with an 808 threading, would be a great move. As Snow sir pointed out, the 901/808 threading aren't used on heavy mods not because it's not a popular connection, but because if you were to drop a heavy 808 mod you risk damaging the threading. The empire mod is one of the few high ends that has a 901 connection, it's also a very fragile mod. If you were to drop it had enough to damage the post, good chance you damaged the mod itself with it....
     

    Whistles

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    510 is a female thread socket verses an 808 which is Male. So with the male threads if you were to drop it and they landed on the thread you could damage the actual threading, or even internals because of the drop force landing on a post that extends beyond the main body of the mod. 510 fittings are flush so the threads are protected from external danger, and if it were to drop the whole shell of the mod is going to absorb some of the shock instead of it hitting directly on the post of an 808.
     
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