An Article In Today's Paper About E-Cigs

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Rocketpunk

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Awesome! A hippy chick puking vapor and a ceramic Asian frog with its gaping maw at us as the first things people see!

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EDIT: The article is actually very well written.
 
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it bothers me that they talk about how the dangers of vaping are not yet known, and that the FDA does not regulate. Does everyone realize that the FDA approved chantix to assist in stopping smoking, and for me, it had HORRIBLE side effects! *and i kept on smoking!

the FDA is only worried about how they can get their hands on money...they do not care about our welfare at all. I wish people realized this.
 

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Don't know if It's a good article or not really. I stopped reading after
Joseph adds that electronic cigarettes may not be all bad for current tobacco users, with a couple of important caveats: Nonsmokers shouldn’t start, and e-cigarette consumers should use them only with the goal of quitting.

There’s a lot scientists still don’t know. That includes the actual chemical exposure that users receive compared with traditional smokers’ intake; the way vaporized nicotine is absorbed by the body; and the effects of secondhand vapor.
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Also, she worries that use of e-cigarettes will undermine years of antismoking campaigns that have taken cigarettes out of public places.
misinformation and speculation abounds!
First: no one should dictate that I quit vaping. I started to REPLACE tobacco, not to quit enjoying life.
Second: what scientists DO know is that vaping is more than 90% safer than cigs and there are no measurable amounts of nicotine in exhaled vapor. Also, they know that PG is used in hospital air handlers to make the air better, and the vapor from ejuice has equal or less harm than current NRT devices.

We are also starting to see smoking as a gateway to vaping, not the other way around.
 

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Well the article was pretty balanced and stayed reasonably close to the facts. This one thing nearly made my eyes bleed, however...

“E-cigarette use is growing rapidly,” Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the CDC, said in a statement at the time. “There is still a lot we don’t know about these products, including whether they will decrease or increase use of traditional cigarettes.”

Read more here: Whether e-cigarettes are a good idea remains a question | Health & Wellness | NewsObserver.com

Dr Frieden says something more off-the-wall every time he opens his mouth. He is either a complete imbecile, or he is deliberately lying. How on earth will they increase the use of traditional smokes? As e-cigarette use has risen, smoking rates seem to have fallen. I am not saying that e-cigarettes are a proven smoking cessation method (although they are for me personally), but I can see some evidence to support that hypothesis. What basis is there to claim they increase traditional cigarette use?

At least he didn't talk about marketing to kids...well not any quotes that made it into the article. That guy is on my radar screen.
 

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Don't know if It's a good article or not really. I stopped reading after
misinformation and speculation abounds!
First: no one should dictate that I quit vaping. I started to REPLACE tobacco, not to quit enjoying life.
Second: what scientists DO know is that vaping is more than 90% safer than cigs and there are no measurable amounts of nicotine in exhaled vapor. Also, they know that PG is used in hospital air handlers to make the air better, and the vapor from ejuice has equal or less harm than current NRT devices.

We are also starting to see smoking as a gateway to vaping, not the other way around.

The writer was careful to attribute these asinine statements to her and that snake oil salesman masquerading as a Doctor, Dr Friedman. I think the article was fair. I would advise anyone who does not smoke to avoid taking up vaping until we know more as well. The part about "That includes the actual chemical exposure that users receive compared with traditional smokers’ intake; the way vaporized nicotine is absorbed by the body; and the effects of secondhand vapor" was complete nonsense and without merits. There are plenty of short term studies about several things there, particularly "secondhand vapor".

But the writer did a somewhat balanced job IMHO.
 

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My favorite comment:

“States and local governments are having to revisit clean indoor air laws, and that’s important for a couple reasons,” Joseph said. “One, we don’t know what they are emitting into the air.”
Also, she worries that use of e-cigarettes will undermine years of antismoking campaigns that have taken cigarettes out of public places.



They are determined to lock us in the same closet as smokers.
 

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An interesting fact about propylene glycol is that it is non-toxic when ingested even in reasonably large amounts. Unlike its dangerous and frequently lethal cousin, ethylene glycol, PG is easily metabolized by the liver into normal products of the citric acid metabolic cycle, which are completely nontoxic to the body. Approximately 45 percent of any ingested PG is excreted directly from the body and never even comes into contact with the liver. The elimination half-life for propylene glycol is approximately four hours, and there is no bioaccumulation (buildup in the body over time). A few rare incidents have occurred where a person ingested a large quantity of propylene glycol and suffered some liver and neurological effects as a result, but these were short-lived and subsided once the material was metabolized and excreted.
Metabolic Cycle for Propylene Glycol:

Propylene glycol → lactic acid → pyruvic acid → CO2 + water

Both experimental and anecdotal evidence to date indicate PG to be completely non-carcinogenic, despite its “petroleum-based” origin. In a very interesting study, some unfortunate rats were fed propylene glycol at amounts equal to 5% of all of their food intake every day for two years, which is a pretty huge volume over a large portion of their lifetime. There were no observable effects on their health or behavior.

Another frequently cited concern about propylene glycol is its use as a component of antifreeze, especially in applications such as the airline industry for de-icing wings and runways. Many of the articles I have found online make a point to highlight the fact that PG is “antifreeze,” a term which has many negative connotations in the minds of people who have heard of the significant and potentially fatal dangers of “antifreeze.” This reputation is well-deserved for ethylene glycol, an extremely toxic material that was commonly found in automotive and other antifreeze solutions. However, propylene glycol has become a common replacement for ethylene glycol in many commercially available antifreeze formulations because it is much safer than ethylene glycol.
Propylene Glycol

Another relevant point is that the word “antifreeze,” frequently used to alarm consumers, is simply a scientific term used to describe a completely innocuous process — the lowering or depression of the freezing point of a liquid. An example of this process is the application of salt to roads and walkways in a snow storm. This helps melt snow and ice and prevent development of dangerous icy conditions. The salt accomplishes this by lowering the freezing point of water. This is an example of a “safe” chemical being used as antifreeze. My point here is to not be alarmed by the term antifreeze or by the chemical, propylene glycol. While few chemicals are entirely without risk, propylene glycol is considered to be safe at the low concentrations used in personal care products and even food products.
What is propylene glycol used for in personal care products?

It is a very effective humectant
It is a solvent or carrier agent for fragrances and preservatives.
It can be used as an emulsifier or co-surfactant.
It is used as a solvent for pigments in cosmetics.
It can be used as a preservative due to its anti-fungal and anti-microbial properties.
It is frequently used in deodorants and antiperspirants.
It is found in hand cleansers and disinfecting gels.
It is a common additive in shaving creams and gels.
 

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I was thinking that there needs to be a thread dedicated to articles about vaping or better yet, a sub forum. That way we could post here so all of us could see them, then and posted in its own sub-forum. That way we can track these things and use each others well thought out arguments to post in the comments section on said articles.

Most of the comments on vaping articles I've seen are from people who are not educated in vaping and regurgitate the same ignorant propaganda from the anti-smoker neo-cons. Although this article happend to have more favorable posts, many do not.
 

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I was thinking that there needs to be a thread dedicated to articles about vaping or better yet, a sub forum. That way we could post here so all of us could see them, then and posted in its own sub-forum. That way we can track these things and use each others well thought out arguments to post in the comments section on said articles.

Most of the comments on vaping articles I've seen are from people who are not educated in vaping and regurgitate the same ignorant propaganda from the anti-smoker neo-cons. Although this article happend to have more favorable posts, many do not.

ask and it may already exist :D

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