An Exercise in Ambiguity

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To expand a little, research has been conducted using nicotine patches or even IV nicotine and showed improvements in the following disorders: Attention Deficit Disorder, Mild Cognitive Impairment, Obsessive-compulsive Disorder, Depression, Anxiety, Turettes's Syndrome, and side-effects from anti-psychotic medication.

Just found another one, thanks to the Smoker's Angel, James Dunworth. "This study demonstrates that nicotine stimulates recovery from brain damage and the results are discussed in relation to neural mechanisms and potential applications."

Nicotine improvement of Morris water task pe... [Behav Brain Res. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

One of my daughters is a LMSW and treats patients who are Schizophrenic, Bi-polar, have Turettes, etc. From her training and study, nicotine is critical for her patient's ability to function. Many of her patient's physical health issues, which exacerbates their mental health issues, is due to smoking. She and her colleagues see vaping as a huge step in the right direction.
 

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To expand a little, research has been conducted using nicotine patches or even IV nicotine and showed improvements in the following disorders: Attention Deficit Disorder, Mild Cognitive Impairment, Obsessive-compulsive Disorder, Depression, Anxiety, Turettes's Syndrome, and side-effects from anti-psychotic medication.

Just found another one, thanks to the Smoker's Angel, James Dunworth. "This study demonstrates that nicotine stimulates recovery from brain damage and the results are discussed in relation to neural mechanisms and potential applications."

Nicotine improvement of Morris water task pe... [Behav Brain Res. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI


^^^^^This, is it any wonder that BP is spending large amounts of their gold to nail down control of what could go from a nasty habit in most peoples minds to a wonder drug?

Dimitris lays it out good in this audio, 10 min well spent.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/500880-fraud-century-dimitris-agrafiotis-vapinggreek-audiocast.html#post11504416

It's follow the money.
 

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Tobacco Additives: 4. Does development of nicotine addiction depend on the dose?

Nicotine has a range of actions in the body and the mechanisms of addiction are still poorly understood. Individual responses to nicotine vary widely. Addiction to nicotine is difficult to measure directly, and experimental studies usually involve set-ups in which animals can self-administer the drug. Such animal studies indicate that pure nicotine is only weakly addictive. There is little human data on pure nicotine use. However, dependence is strongly linked to the number of cigarettes smoked per day.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21617206

The combination of alterated gene expressions and strongly inhibited dna synthesis was only detected in cells exposed to smoke extract. In the presence and absence of ethanol, pure nicotine and Snus extract induced abnormalities in the cytoplasm without any significant degree of cell death. With similar doses of nicotine and ethanol, the additional components in smoke extract had a dominant effect. The smoke extract induced vast cellular abnormalities and massive cell death.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8614291

Nicotine was given for 20 h a day, five days a week during a two-year period. We could not find any increase in mortality, in atherosclerosis or frequency of tumors in these rats compared with controls. Particularly, there was no microscopic or macroscopic lung tumors nor any increase in pulmonary neuroendocrine cells. Throughout the study, however, the body weight of the nicotine exposed rats was reduced as compared with controls. In conclusion, our study does not indicate any harmful effect of nicotine when given in its pure form by inhalation.
 
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B-b-b-but there are no studies.

Quote from stuttering ANTZ when faced with the truth.

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They were very difficult to find. I dug them up for an argument on another forum and keep them in my quiver for my battles against the ignorant. You know what happens after I post'em? Crickets...
 

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They were very difficult to find. I dug them up for an argument on another forum and keep them in my quiver for my battles against the ignorant. You know what happens after I post'em? Crickets...

I was just about to post "Good sleuthing, ruet." So I will!

Gee, that other forum wouldn't happen to be one that teaches that you must become abstinent from nicotine in order to stop smoking, would it?
 

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I was just about to post "Good sleuthing, ruet." So I will!

Gee, that other forum wouldn't happen to be one that teaches that you must become abstinent from nicotine in order to stop smoking, would it?

Thanks,

No, it's a political forum with a particularly active ANTZ crusader. On the subject at hand; the truth of the matter is that studies on the effects of nicotine sans burned tobacco are few and far between.
 

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No, it's a political forum with a particularly active ANTZ crusader. On the subject at hand; the truth of the matter is that studies on the effects of nicotine sans burned tobacco are few and far between.

I would think that anyone trying to write a grant proposal to find anything positive about nicotine would be shot down until BP gains control of nicotine.

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Gosh I read through this entire thread before I decided to post. I have tons to say and I am not sure I could even begin to start to organize my thoughts. I tend to ramble on so I will try to be as succinct as possible. OK, not really possible. :)

To begin with the OP asked: how toxic nicotine is and how addictive it is then another poster added the question “How much does nicotine help treat millions of people? “

It is toxic but so is iron and most substances. Give anyone too much iron and you will kill them. Our bodies are designed with a nicotinic receptor in our brains. So at some level a controlled amount of nicotine is biologically acceptable to our bodies. People need to remember that our ancestor's have been smoking or otherwise consuming tobacco and other nicotine containing herbs for hundreds of thousands of years. The chemical make up of nicotine and niacin (b3) are structurally so similar that scientists call niacin, nicotinic acid. It may just be that we have evolve to safely consume nicotine at a reasonable level.

As far as asking how addictive is nicotine, I believe it is a fallacy that we can quantify that. The term addiction in itself is a problematic word in that most people do not understand exactly what it means. You can be clinically dependent (physical dependence) but not addicted in our ordinary language. They use that term because we can measure physical dependence. But there is no way to measure psychological dependence (aka addiction) because that varies due to peoples personalities, culture, social acceptability etc. For example it may be completely acceptable in some societies to ingest mind altering things as a religious experience. In that culture you would never consider that person addicted. The definition of addiction therefore is a judgment in the eye of the examiner. So to make my answer short, can nicotine be addictive, no. Can it be something you can become dependent on yes.

Lastly, in 1994/95, I did a research paper in college on irritable bowel syndrome and the above nicotinic receptor. Researchers found that IBS was successfully treated with nicotinic acid (niacin) and nicotine in a few small studies. This of course was before smoking was a huge public problem. I don't think any researcher these days would be brave enough to suggest or even test that nicotine would be helpful. Sadly, they are taking out of the picture a chemical that our bodies naturally have a receptor for.
 
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....Lastly, in 1994/95, I did a research paper in college on irritable bowel syndrome and the above nicotinic receptor. Researchers found that IBS was successfully treated with nicotinic acid (niacin) and nicotine in a few small studies. This of course was before smoking was a huge public problem. I don't think any researcher these days would be brave enough to suggest or even test that nicotine would be helpful. Sadly, they are taking out of the picture a chemical that our bodies naturally have a receptor for.

I've noticed (in the year I've been involved in and researching vaping and nicotine) quite a few mentions of current research being done on nicotine as a potential treatment for IBS, Parkinsons, and alzheimers. I've also seen it pointed out that the reason for smoking prevalence among schizophrenics is that they're self-medicating w/ nicotine (and not, as I've also seen a few ANTZ try to claim, that people who smoke are mentally deficient. :facepalm:) So while any research on treatments involving nicotine historically has been discouraged because of its association to smoking, I see that changing now. We can only hope it continues...
 

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A lot of psychiatric hospitals are stopping allowing patients smoking. It has become a huge issue with patients. I know in Phoenix there is only one hospital left where smoking is allowed and patients line up to go there. Honestly, I think that is the dumbest thing they could possibly do. They are supposed to try to stabilize patients, yet they are taking them off probably the biggest coping mechanism they have. They all do provide nicotine replacement products but it is not the same. I am sure, then patients are doped up with extra medication to counteract the effects of abrupt smoking cessation without the dr's realizing that they are doing that.
 
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