An experiment - Toxins from an Electronic Cigarettes vs a Real Cigarette - FDA "Approved"

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Houdini

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Good job BigJim. The thing that used to make me feel guilty when I smoked analogs was just looking at the used filter. Take one drag and see how brown the filter gets. Every time I finished an analog I'd look at how brown the filter got and think to myself "look what I doing to my lungs". Then an hour later I'd do the same thing. Man, I'm glad I quit.
 

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Good job BigJim. The thing that used to make me feel guilty when I smoked analogs was just looking at the used filter. Take one drag and see how brown the filter gets. Every time I finished an analog I'd look at how brown the filter got and think to myself "look what I doing to my lungs". Then an hour later I'd do the same thing. Man, I'm glad I quit.


Houdini--Have you ever done your masterful "Glass Trick"---just take a drinking glass and vape into it for a while and see what, if anythink you find in the glass? I can tell you it is not much of anything. Those nice white filters that turned brown on analogs aways scared the yeck out of me as well and the film on my inside car window and computer screen was nasty. Do not think I have really cleaned either since I have been vaping-------Sun
 

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You think that's bad? Try these

- Pull out the air conditioner filter and see how yellow it is
- If you have white drop ceilings, notice how yellow it is
- If you have a room air filter system, take out the filter. Nice and yellow.
- Were your walls white when you moved in? Look at them now.

And you're nailing your lungs full force with it. Most landlords nowadays will not even take a smoker in, because of the property damage smoke can cause. Never mind the second hand smoke or the damage you do to the lungs, just in property damage alone because of the yellowing and the greasy feeling you leave when smoking analogs, not to mention the potential of burning down the house.

Since I started to vape over a month ago, I took some steps to clean the room, but it still has that lingering smoke smell.I don't think I will ever rid of it, but it will always remind me what it must have been like in my lungs.
 

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Sad fact, but true. And people let the government get away with this.

The USSA is reduced to an impotent benevolent dictatorship in which China owns a good share of. I'd love to see China tell the US to go .... itself and embargo our asses. That should be fun to watch.

Sad. All those people that died during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, etc, died for this sh*t.

More people in this country worry more about who wins American Idol or what happens to Michael Jacksons corpse than what is actually happening around them. Govt loves this sh*t.
amen BigJim - by the time we all decide to do something constructive it will be too late.
 

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You think that's bad? Try these

- Pull out the air conditioner filter and see how yellow it is
- If you have white drop ceilings, notice how yellow it is
- If you have a room air filter system, take out the filter. Nice and yellow.
- Were your walls white when you moved in? Look at them now.

And you're nailing your lungs full force with it. Most landlords nowadays will not even take a smoker in, because of the property damage smoke can cause. Never mind the second hand smoke or the damage you do to the lungs, just in property damage alone because of the yellowing and the greasy feeling you leave when smoking analogs, not to mention the potential of burning down the house.

Since I started to vape over a month ago, I took some steps to clean the room, but it still has that lingering smoke smell.I don't think I will ever rid of it, but it will always remind me what it must have been like in my lungs.
We bought a business from a man who smoked in the office. For about a year, every time we opened the filing cabinets we could smell the smoke.
 

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amen BigJim - by the time we all decide to do something constructive it will be too late.

I feel it is already too late. Unless we read what the Declaration of Independence says about something like this and do what it says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


Oh, There is an American Idol guy doing a Michael Jackson song! Be back later while I rot my brain and stick my head in the sand deeper! 8-o
 

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Thank you so much BigJim, im very close to being a month analog free now with no desire to smoke a cigarette whatsoever. Your video is a good reinforcement, although only minimally, as ive already experienced so many of the incredible things not smoking gives to one that stops smoking. It will help all those who are thinking about making the leap to e-cigs, and make some that have think twice about going back :thumb:
 

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Thank you so much BigJim, im very close to being a month analog free now with no desire to smoke a cigarette whatsoever. Your video is a good reinforcement, although only minimally, as ive already experienced so many of the incredible things not smoking gives to one that stops smoking. It will help all those who are thinking about making the leap to e-cigs, and make some that have think twice about going back :thumb:

No problem. I did one last night using an unfiltered cigarette with grosser results. Once I have time, I'll upload it to youtube once I process the video.

Interesting now that if you do a Google Videos search for "e-cig toxins", my video is top in the list. Same results searching the web for "electronic cigarette toxins", my video is second in a web search. I hope more people see it. It really brings home what you pump into your lungs. 8-o
 

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Very interesting video, BigJim. I've been vaping for 5 months now, and the sense (and smell!) of wellbeing alone from not smoking analogs speaks volumes by itself.

Something that would be interesting though, is to do the experiment with a micron filter. Not only would that show the gunk from analogs even more, but it would be an even more thorough test of the e-cigarette vapor.
 

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great video, i shudder to think of all that brown gunk i've been putting in my lungs. fortunately our lungs clear themselves up over time, although it will take many years.

Our lungs do clear, but the problem is, we still elevated our risks of lung cancer even after quitting smoking!

The late Andy Kaufman, comedian, died of lung cancer and he never once smoked in his life. Imagine our chances.

By stopping analogs, sure, you add years to your life. But what rails me to no end is the fact that we live in a society that, on one hand, can't stand a smoker, but on the other hand, sees it as a great money making venue.

We live in a society that would on one hand pollute your lungs and make them great profits, yet ban alternatives far safer for the almighty $$$ that is lost. And they dig up old Nazi tactics to do it.

(Yes, Hitler didn't like smoking and took a lot of steps, similar to the good ol' USA, to erradicate it)

Hitler thought that only Jews, non ....., and homosexuals, felt the need to smoke. The US anti-smoking wackos today brands us as weak, non conformists.

The Nazi way of the job is very parallell to what is happening in the US today. Maybe we should have just elected Hitler as President and saved decades of work. :(
 
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By stopping analogs, sure, you add years to your life. But what rails me to no end is the fact that we live in a society that, on one hand, can't stand a smoker, but on the other hand, sees it as a great money making venue.

Society is bi-bolar. We as a country are heading into a very bad place, politics aside, smokers and how they are being herded into a lower-category group by those that think smokers are to be considered a lower class are just a symptom of how things are maybe going to progress IMHO. Last I checked, our country wasnt a class based system at all. This rails me to no end as well because the logic of that doesnt have a stopping point. We can stick it to the man many times but not forever. My 2 cents and happy vaping to all while we can!
 

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Ingredients of cigarettes: Combusted
vs
Ingredients of e-cigs: not combusted

I think that if you were to vape the ingredients of an analog, you may not get any brown spots at all, but it would still be pretty dangerous.

In the same vein, if you were to combust the ingredients of an e-cig, you may get some brown spots.

Obviously we're all for e-cigs here, but for that reason it's important to always seek a more scientific way of making our case.

I wonder how one could perform a truly scientifically convincing experiment. It will be done sooner or later.
 

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Ingredients of cigarettes: Combusted
vs
Ingredients of e-cigs: not combusted

I think that if you were to vape the ingredients of an analog, you may not get any brown spots at all, but it would still be pretty dangerous.

In the same vein, if you were to combust the ingredients of an e-cig, you may get some brown spots.

Obviously we're all for e-cigs here, but for that reason it's important to always seek a more scientific way of making our case.

I wonder how one could perform a truly scientifically convincing experiment. It will be done sooner or later.

From my understanding, New Zealand was the only country to do a scientific study of the contents of electronic cigarettes:

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

One of the few countries not into the ban e-cig orgy.

Here is an interesting part about PG in this report. In Atlanta, a study of PG with the effects of children was conducted. They vaporized PG in some wards and not others, and got this result:

Method. Six wards of the Children’s Seashore House in Atlanta containing 105 bedfast
children aged 3 to 15 years were divided into 3 control and 3 undergoing vaporization for
3 week periods with 2 to 3 days between, before the control wards become vaporized, and
the vaporized wards became controls. This rotation continued for 7 months. The PG was
heated to vaporize it, but not above 80 degrees C, and vaporization continuously
maintained a concentration of 0.069 mg per liter. (0.07 ppm)

Results. No ill effects were reported. In the first year, 100 infections occurred in control
wards without PG, and 5 in wards with PG vaporization, with rates of 0.18 per week and 0.09 per week respectively. Most of the upper respiratory infections in control wards
were common colds, suggesting the PG is also virucidal.


Interesting. Only 5 infections in the wards vaporized with PG, and 100 infections without PG vaporization. And also the fact that PG is virucial, which stopped .... cold spreads of the common cold in the wards vaporized with PG, this tells me that not only will we have decreased our cancer chances, but also decreasing the chances of getting the common cold!

Unfortunately, the USA isn't buying something studied in their own country simply because it was used as an example in a New Zealand scientific study. We landed on the moon, and you didn't so you MUST be stupid if it's not studied on our self rightious soil. :(
 
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