An idea I had yesterday, vaping backwards?

[first2di3]

Ok, so, we are all here (in the modders forum) to modify our devices for convenience... whether that's price, function, looks, whatever...

What is one thing that has been a reoccurring theme we all dream of? The ability to refill/top off/drip less often.


Here is my idea...

(this picture stolen from opusMorian)

OK, thats the original, here is my lame photochop of my idea (I only have GIMP at work, and its horrible compared to Photoshop)

Heres where I explain the process...

1) This is a melted down or cut down mouth peice primarily to hold a cart.
2) The atomizer, and yes, its pointed backwards from where it is normally
3) Tubing from a dead battery.. drill a small hole for the wires, then seal the outside with hotglue or something similar. This will also be filled with Cart batting to keep any unatomized liquid from reaching your lips...
4) This the end you now suck out of...

Basically, you could instead of putting a standard cart, make a small hole in the white plastic where the cart filler is, and it would allow you to bring in liquid with every drag to the atomizer so that you never have a situation where you need to top off.... however the hole will need to be needle small so that you still mostly pull in air from the side vents, and only a smallll ammount from the back of the cart.



This would require a standard battery connector with the hole unblocked..

On a 901, you would want to cover the atomizer hole, since you would want to pull the vapor through the battery connector hole...

One idea I had with this is instead of a cart at the atomizer end, you could use trinear's - "Fang", and with enough suction/opening ratio, have it automatically keep the atomizer soaked, and if you got to much, it would go into the tube batting where you could remove the liquid with a syringe later.




If any of this sounds so out of wack that it seems unfeasable or even stupid, tell me, but I plan on making one of these to try it out sometime in the next month (I got bills to pay, no extra money for the time being)

Anyway, let me know what you think!

 

[surbitonPete]

At first glance the idea sure seems like it could have some potential.....my own mind has been pondering over some kind of mini venturi carburettor type of thing.

 

[breakfastchef]

To me, the 'Holy Grail' has been throat hit. Many folks are actually satisfied with the throat hit they receive from a 901, or and 801. To me, vaping a stock e-cig is like smoking an ultra-light. That is far from satisfying.

In my quest for better throat hit, I built a Magnum mod, as described by the infamous madog, with a penstyle adapter (since this is the direction I was headed anyway). It is absolutely f#$king awesome. Throat hit was terrific, but flavor of the e-juice was missing.

With luck as it is, my puresmoker pass-through began flaking out last week. I gutted it and made it into a straight pass-through with a manual switch. What did I discover? Throat hit was reduced a bit, but flavor of the juice started to come through. I am thinking that 5V/1A is a really good zone for the best vaping you can experience. If you need major throat hits, go for 6+ volts. If you want a combination of flavor and moderate throat hit, look to get closer to 5v.

 

[surbitonPete]

To me, the 'Holy Grail' has been throat hit. Many folks are actually satisfied with the throat hit they receive from a 901, or and 801. To me, vaping a stock e-cig is like smoking an ultra-light. That is far from satisfying.

In my quest for better throat hit, I built a Magnum mod, as described by the infamous madog, with a penstyle adapter (since this is the direction I was headed anyway). It is absolutely f#$king awesome. Throat hit was terrific, but flavor of the e-juice was missing.

With luck as it is, my puresmoker pass-through began flaking out last week. I gutted it and made it into a straight pass-through with a manual switch. What did I discover? Throat hit was reduced a bit, but flavor of the juice started to come through. I am thinking that 5V/1A is a really good zone for the best vaping you can experience. If you need major throat hits, go for 6+ volts. If you want a combination of flavor and moderate throat hit, look to get closer to 5v.

I also seem to be finding that somewhere close to 5 volts seems to be an ideal.

 

[kinabaloo]

first2di3 - This was, more or less, my first observation when i first became interested in vaping and joined the forums. I mentioned it many times but there was almost zero interest.

So the only way to get attention with this idea is to build one, so looks like, busy or not, I'll have to do just that. Unless you do it first

 

[surbitonPete]

first2di3 - This was, more or less, my first observation when i first became interested in vaping and joined the forums. I mentioned it many times but there was almost zero interest.

So the only way to get attention with this idea is to build one, so looks like, busy or not, I'll have to do just that. Unless you do it first

I must have missed your post's on that Kinaba..it's so easy to miss things with so much going on ....on here..
But you are right.....'build it and they will come'.....lol.

 

[ccure]

first2di3,

I think that you are going to get a too cool (cold?) vapor from it. Just with the pen-stile the vapor is cooler than with a mini-cig, and I think it is that way because of the distance from the atty to the mouth piece...

It is my opinion, I may be wrong, give it a try and let us know....

 

[kinabaloo]

Pete - I wasn't so famous then, lol

First post i could find that i made on this is :
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-order-mod-idea-atomiser-juice-battery.html

I thought this independently but later found that someone had posted a similar idea before me. Forget who, seems so long ago now ...

ccure - my design doesn't have that center tube.

 

[surbitonPete]

Hmm interesting......I am needing something else to think about ....8 days and my atomizer is still working fine....lol.

 

[ccure]

Pete - I wasn't so famous then, lol

First post i could find that i made on this is :
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-order-mod-idea-atomiser-juice-battery.html

I thought this independently but later found that someone had posted something similar before me. Forget who, seems so long ago now ...

ccure - my design doesn't have that center tube.

Ok, Interesting... now it could not understand how are you going to get the liquid into the atty... I will do some thinking..

 

[first2di3]

OK, Im back from work mostly, making dinner at the moment...


Thanks for the feedback... I want to point out that the illistration above is so that you fine people can see what I am invisioning, there is nothing stopping us from using a 4xAA battery box and using 2 CR2's in this configuration, and while the vapor will definitely cool down before hitting your throat, ive been thinking of some more scenarios that would work well with this setup...

How about some metal tubing that is smaller in diameter than the battery tube, but small enough to put a thin layer of polyester around so that it will suck up excess liquid...

(Im looking around and I see a telescoping antenna for a old remote control car staring at me that would be perfect diameter)

that way, you would get a heatpipe of vapor with a safety net for liquid in the mouth...

(just throwing ideas out...)

 

[kinabaloo]

8 days and my atomizer is still working fine....lol.

Good news Pete

 

[kinabaloo]

I also seem to be finding that somewhere close to 5 volts seems to be an ideal.

Side note: When discussing voltages it really matters whether this is from batteries or usb/mains power pack.

Regarding the 'throat hit', it is quite possible that people mean quite different things and there are at least three factors that might be involved.

First, possibly the amount of nicotine in the vapor (it has a high BP)
Second, the temp. of the vapor would probably not alter much with applied power but volume might
Third, a certain amount of burning of the juice might be quite appealing, especially to people used to burning tobacco

 

[lachesis]

I also noticed when atomizers are burning hotter with little drier wick... it does pump out hotter, and more "painful" to swalow vapor, with less flavor - especially on 801 atty. Normally just before it becomes entirely dry. So perhaps heating rate that's faster than evaporating rate might be the key... and to manually regulate that, easiest way might be upping the voltage. Just my guess.

 

[kinabaloo]

I also noticed when atomizers are burning hotter with little drier wick... it does pump out hotter, and more "painful" to swalow vapor, with less flavor - especially on 801 atty. Normally just before it becomes entirely dry. So perhaps heating rate that's faster than evaporating rate might be the key... and to manually regulate that, easiest way might be upping the voltage. Just my guess.

One can sort of increase juice flow by drawing harder, although the air flow is increase a bit too, so a double cooling effect, but increased vapor.

This whole area needs a lot more investigation. The dry deposit is going to get burned anyway, but perhaps more quickly with a higher voltage. I suspect increased VG decomposition also plays a big part (when in the mix).