An introduction and a question? When is enough enough?

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brittanyNI

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An important thing to consider in determining when you've had "enough" is that with vaping there is a bit of a time lag for the nicotine to hit your brain that doesn't exist with analogs.

With analogs, the nicotine is absorbed directly in the lungs and hits your brain within just a few seconds. With e-cigarettes, the nicotine is predominantly absorbed through your mucus membranes -- your cheeks, gums, tongue, throat, etc.

Because the nicotine is distributed across a wider surface area than when using nicotine gum, it is absorbed more quickly than with the gum, but it is nevertheless nowhere near as rapid as with analogs. As a result, it can take as long as 30-45 minutes for the full nicotine intake from a vaping session to have an impact.

What can happen as a result is that you vape a lot of nicotine thinking that maybe you aren't getting much because you don't feel immediate effects, and then 30-40 minutes later you have rapid heartbeat, a headache, shortness of breath, etc.

I figured out my dosing in two ways -- by drug test and by calculation.

You can buy over the counter nicotine drug tests that show a positive at 200ng metabolite per ml of urine. What I did before I started vaping is diluted by urine until I could just barely get a positive, and then used that to calculate the concentration.

Then I used the FTC numbers for nicotine for what I was smoking, how many, etc. I also counted how many drags I usually took off a cigarette (14). I'm sort of a numbers type, I'll skip the math but I calculated 27.5 mg nicotine daily and that I would need it in 2 ml of juice for an equivalent number of puffs; so I would need 14 mg juice.

When I did this, though, I was always craving and the metabolite urine test showed about 1/3rd less metabolite than when smoking. Presumably this is due to less efficient absorption of nicotine via vaping or because I was deriving more nicotine from the analogs than the FTC numbers would reflect. So I wound up increasing the nicotine concentration to 18mg/ml; which has worked fine for me.

Later on I discovered that there is a difference in how much vapor you get depending on whether you are using a tank, cartridge, cartomizer, etc. When using a tank system or an Ikenvape cartomizer, I use 14mg juice; but when using a cartridge/atomizer or a regular cartomizer I use 18-20mg juice to compensate for the difference.

I've droned on. The main idea I wanted to convey is that of the time lag in absorption. If you limit the number of puffs per vaping session and then wait a set amount of time before doing it again (for a heavy smoker maybe 15 mins is more appropriate than 30 mins), you are less likely to end up dizzy from too much nicotine. Hopefully this helps!
 

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You guys are simply amazing! So are you guys telling me that I can vape even cheaper than I am now? At this point I am averaging at most 1.30 per cartridge and using at most 2 cartridges per day...2.60 per day compared to the 12 bucks per day I was spending seemed like a bargain! Did anyone else experience headaches or symptoms that were related to tobacco detox? After 22 years of heavy smoking, I felt my body HAD to be going through some kind of detox. The skin under my bottom lip is very dry and bumpy today...I definitely hope it is not a reaction to vaping :(
 

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BrittanyNI that was a brilliant calculation and you let me know in plain old English how to go about it myself, if I choose to. I went low tech, 24mg for the equivalent of a few morning smokes then switch over to 12mg if I'll be vaping regular but not heavily throughout the day, or 6mg if I'll be vaping my brains out, then a switch back to 24mg early evening and again back to the 6mg or 12mg till bed time. I still get dizzy by 3a.m. but I kind of like it as it helps me pass out, I'm an insomniac and anything to get me to sleep is good in my book, even if it isn't really.
 

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MandiMay, if you devote a cartridge to a flavor and keep filling from a bottle you'll find that some of your cartos will last weeks, a few may still start tasting nasty after a day or so or just up and die on you but many will last a very long time. If you get your juices in bulk or start mixing your own you can get down to a cost of pennies a day leaving tons of your money for other things, like more vaping gear. Sorry, had to add this as your post wasn't there when I was typing up the last one, hope you don't mind.
 

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You guys are simply amazing! So are you guys telling me that I can vape even cheaper than I am now? At this point I am averaging at most 1.30 per cartridge and using at most 2 cartridges per day...2.60 per day compared to the 12 bucks per day I was spending seemed like a bargain! Did anyone else experience headaches or symptoms that were related to tobacco detox? After 22 years of heavy smoking, I felt my body HAD to be going through some kind of detox. The skin under my bottom lip is very dry and bumpy today...I definitely hope it is not a reaction to vaping :(

You can get it down to pennies a cartridge depending on where you get your juice or if you want to DIY your own. Even figuring on, say, $15 for a 15ml bottle of juice filling a 1ml carto, that's 30 full refills of completely empty cartridges at $0.50 per cartridge. If you get cheaper juice -- say, MadVapes' 60ml bottles at $15, now you've cut that in half to $0.25 per cart. Go the DIY route and it gets even cheaper -- though how much cheaper depends on the quantities you buy in, and the strength of the juice you make, but you could easily count on paying half that again or less per cart. (Much less if you're a low nicotine vaper, since unflavoured 100mg nic juice is the most expensive component of DIY per ml.)
 

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You can get it down to pennies a cartridge depending on where you get your juice or if you want to DIY your own. ... Go the DIY route and it gets even cheaper -- though how much cheaper depends on the quantities you buy in, and the strength of the juice you make, but you could easily count on paying half that again or less per cart. (Much less if you're a low nicotine vaper, since unflavoured 100mg nic juice is the most expensive component of DIY per ml.)

Absolutely right, imho!

As an example, I recently mixed up a weird concoction. 6ml of juice required 1.4 ml of 60mg/ml nicotine. I got 250ml of that for $27, so the cost per ml was 10.8 cents. I literally only used a few drops of various flavorings. Other components ... well, I used 3ml of pg that I had purchased for $26/gallon ... so when you figure you get 12 refills from that 6ml bottle of juice, the cost really is pennies. I figure it at ... less than 2 cents.
 

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Hey Mandimay,
Congrats on the switch to vapeing! I was gonna add my two cents worth but so many others have covered the good points of vapeing. As a side note I have actually increased my nic intake becasue I can do it anywhere. Your body will let you know when you should back off (nic headaches, dizziness, ect.). You have already made a tremendous leap forward by dropping tyhe analogs. We are all here to support you and your decision.
 

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Vaping is going to be different than smoking. I have a thread out here somewhere about if some people think they vaped more than they smoked. A lot of us agree that the answer is yes, we do. With the small battery e-cig like you have you now, you'll probably get around 2-4 hours of actual use out of your batteries. I vape on what I guess would be considered an "average" level, and my big battery e-cig can last me up to about 1 1/2 days +/-. I vape at my desk where I work, so I don't set myself on a schedule. I take my 15 minute breaks at my desk and don't even bother going outside. One thing you will probably notice, as many others have I'm sure, is that you won't get the same amount of nicotine from your e-cig as you did with your regular cig. If you tried to work a full 8 hour day, with only taking 2 breaks an a lunch and only smoking your e-cig during those breaks, you may find yourself craving a little more than normal. It's different for everybody. It is pretty hard for you to "overdose" on the nicotine. So don't stress that. People like to throw that word around heedlessly on here and it can sound scary. You just need to find what your personal niche is with nic levels and pg/vg and all that good stuff. Just don't be scared about over vaping/under vaping. Your body will tell you what's right and what's not, just like it did with cigarettes :) Best thing to do is just experiment until you find what's best for you.
 

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Did anyone else experience headaches or symptoms that were related to tobacco detox? After 22 years of heavy smoking, I felt my body HAD to be going through some kind of detox.
Yes, lots of people did, and the symptoms can vary greatly for each person.

I suggest you take a look at this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

The skin under my bottom lip is very dry and bumpy today...I definitely hope it is not a reaction to vaping :(
Both PG and VG will dehydrate you, so you need to make sure to drink more water when vaping.
The upside is that drinking more water is always good for you!
:)
 
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