An ordinary mortal's impressions of the BB

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mikea

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First: I have no financial relationship with the vendor (Altsmoke) whose product I'm talking about here, other than being a customer and spending money there. :) I paid full price for the product.

I've had mixed experiences with several battery mods, both metal tube types and plastic box mods. I was about to conclude I should just give up battery mods and go back to using 510 mega-batteries. But what if the megas and their chargers die in the future -- and become unavailable? So I knew I still needed an alternative. I took a look at the BB after seeing a few of the video reviews. Now somehow, almost every product reviewed is "the best I've ever tried" and has supposedly superior vapor and throat hit...not to mention reviewers' endless dramatically long cyanosis-inducing inhales followed by massive industrial-smokestack-like vapor emissions. Tedious...

A few BB video reviews I saw gave me the usual jaded reaction -- and the BB seemed kind of expensive for its size. I'd been burned on expensive e-cig products before. But clearly my beloved plastic box mods were not going to last if I kept using them heavily; their switches wear out. So I wanted a high quality metal mod with a decent button and decently cut threads. I wanted a mod that was designed around a decent battery and that wouldn't irritate the hell out of me. :)

I was hopeful about the BB -- and also fully prepared to be disappointed again. But so far the BB is turning out to be a case of: Satisfaction 1, Disappointment 0.

Shipping time: I paid a little (emphasis on "little") extra for faster shipping. I've never had better turnaround on an order. Fastest shipping ever. Kudos to Altsmoke for that.

Packaging: non-fancy. The BB and its passthrough adapter arrived in a couple of velvet-ish bags surrounded by bubble-wrap. I don't care about elegant packaging. I care more about packaging substantial enough to protect the merchandise during shipping. Some kind of box might be in order for BB shipments to guard against mishaps during shipping. That aside, everything arrived in good shape.

Documentation: some e-cig products ship with no documentation. Others come with semi-nicely printed -- but useless -- documentation. Altsmoke's printed material is non-fancy but informative and to the point, so kudos to them for that also.

Finish: I don't much care how these products look as long as they're matte black :). This unit has a semi-gloss black finish that looks fine to me. I don't know how prone to scratching it is. If it scratches up a bit over time, I won't care.

Battery: the BB uses the 14500 battery, which in my experience really kicks .... -- doesn't take long to charge and holds a charge for quite a while. I have a bunch of them and not one has ever been defective. Whatever they did to make that battery so good, they should just keep on doing it. Excellent choice of battery for a small-ish mod.

Cut of the threads: to me this is a big deal. I've had one battery mod and one non-brand-name passthrough with poorly cut threads -- too shallow (risk of cross-threading) or with defects -- such that the parts were difficult to thread together. Those products could be serious pains in the neck if they weren't handled very carefully. The BB's body has thick enough metal to enable fairly substantial threads. The pieces go together easily and securely and I can't see any risk of cross-threading except in a moment of major carelessness. Nice job on that.

Button: I have an Indulgence, which has a very good button -- large enough not to be irritating to use and recessed deeply enough to be "pocket-friendly." The BB's button is noticeably higher in profile but the spring tension is high enough that I don't think there's much risk of accidental "firing" unless you put it into a pants pocket and then sit on the thing. :). The button is good-sized, has a solid feel -- the best button I've run across yet on a battery mod.

Atomizer fitting: 510 only. The atomizer's base ends up flush with the top surface of the BB. I would have preferred that the fitting extend just slightly the way the fittings do on the Indulgence -- on that one, the atomizer comes to a nice "clean" stop when you screw it in finger-tight. With the BB, there seems to be a bit of "slop" as you tighten it down (note to self: so don't over-tighten it, already). I haven't had any problems with contact with 510s. I did have a bit of trouble with a 510-battery-to-801-atomizer adapter plus a 302 atomizer. I had to fiddle a bit with those parts to get "ignition." As I recall, Altsmoke's documentation warns against that kind of adapter + a 302 atomizer on the BB. (But I'm not sure what other adapter I could use for that purpose -- anyone know?)

Draw: no complaints. The airflow with the Indulgence seems slightly better -- this might be due to its 510 fitting protruding out beyond the end of the battery tube. But the difference in draw is very slight. And it seems to differ a bit from one atomizer to another.

Weight: The BB with the 14500 battery and the Indulgence with the much larger 18650 battery seem to weigh about the same. This must reflect the BB's heftier construction.

Passthrough: I debated quite a bit with myself about that. The BB's p/t is kind of pricey -- more than I wanted to spend. But for better or worse, I did. This p/t adapter is well made. You remove the BB's top part -- pushbutton + atomizer fitting -- and screw it into the p/t adapter (its threads are cut as well as those of the battery tube). The supplied cable is well made. I once had a non-name-brand p/t supplied with a cable so thick, stiff, and heavy that it was all but unusable. The cable's weight would pull the passthrough right off the table. Super-irritating -- I sold that thing right quick. The BB's p/t cable is sturdy, but not stiff and heavy like that.

The connector that plugs into the p/t's housing is of the kind supplied on power cables of, say, external hard drives (I don't know what that kind of connector is called). The fit is solid and secure. The other end: standard USB plug. (A possible down-side: It's the only cable I've ever seen with a USB plug at one end and that other type at the opposite end. if you lost or damaged this cable, where would you find another one like it?)

The p/t itself doesn't seem to put out so much voltage that it might risk burning out 510 atomizers prematurely -- another reason I sold the one referred to above: it ran atomizers unpleasantly hot. A p/t of the this quality is a relief after months of using Joye's stupidly flimsy 510 p/t with its easily-breakable wires...and that kinda-dumb battery box. Compared with the Indulgence's p/t? Don't know. That one is also new to me and I haven't used its p/t yet.

Overall impression: two thumbs up. Well made product that I expect to perform reliably for a long time. Do I want any changes? Yeah, a fully matte black finish and a lower price for the passthrough. :) Would I buy another BB? Probably.
 

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I am still loving my BB (it has been about three weeks, now) and I am more ordinary a mortal than you! :)

Keyzy, I'm still using the Kr8 cartos but have just started with the 510 cartos -- they are amazing, too! Some juices taste better on the Kr8, some better on the 510 -- lovin' them both!

I am waiting on metallic pink or purple, ha ha! (My credit card thanks me for waiting, ahemmmmm)
 

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Nice review Mortal Mike :p. AltSmokes products and service are A+ in my book.

I did have a bit of trouble with a 510-battery-to-801-atomizer adapter plus a 302 atomizer. I had to fiddle a bit with those parts to get "ignition." As I recall, Altsmoke's documentation warns against that kind of adapter + a 302 atomizer on the BB. (But I'm not sure what other adapter I could use for that purpose -- anyone know?)

There are plenty of people that are using the 302 penstyle attys on these adapters without problems though, you need to take some care with any atomizer/adapter.

The warning about using the adapters on anything but the 801 is because too many people crank on a penstyle atomizer to get connection to the adapter (due to some of them having a longer or shorter center post depending on the penstyle atty) and this can displace the silicone around the center post of the adapter or atomizer and can also cause shorts.

The 302 has a longer center post.

Install the 302 atomizer on the adapter first so you can check the the 510 thread side of the adapter to make sure that the O ring of silicone is in place like it should be. If it does work out of place you can cause a short in your batteries on your mod. We all know what happens then (especially if using non protected batteries). :ohmy:

The other thing is to periodically check to make sure the adapter stays dry with no liquid on them, especially with the penstyles (can be a little leaky). If you think your battery is getting hot, or you aren't getting vapor... take off the adapter/atty. Check the batteries immediately.
 

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Nice review Mortal Mike :p.
And hey, I didn't mention tweezers once. (Inside joke, folks. :)

> AltSmokes products and service are A+ in my book.

I swear, I never saw shipping that fast.

>The warning about using the adapters on anything but the 801 is because too many people crank on a penstyle atomizer to get connection to the adapter

I noticed that I had to turn it down a bit more to get a connection, and the little voice in my head began whispering Pssst. Use the tweezers. Ok, I lied -- it was warning me that if I couldn't get the electrical connection, stop tightening the thing, already.

>The other thing is to periodically check to make sure the adapter stays dry with no liquid on them, especially with the penstyles (can be a little leaky). If you think your battery is getting hot, or you aren't getting vapor... take off the adapter/atty. Check the batteries immediately.

Fortunately, the 302s I've been using have been less leak-y than the 801s I used to use. Not sure why, but I'm not complainin'.

What specific check (battery-wise) do you recommend?
 

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Hey Hellen, here's a question... I noticed just now that I'm getting the usual/expected performance out of the 510-to-801-adapter+302-atomizer combo on the plastic box mod (which also uses the 14500). I transfer that same combo onto either a 501 megabattery or onto the BB, and I'm getting 'gurgling' -- not enough vaporizing. The batteries are fresh in all cases. What might be the cause, do you suppose?

Thanks.
 

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And hey, I didn't mention tweezers once. (Inside joke, folks. :)

LOL... This one is for you Mike... all the cool kids are now calling them a disguise tool. Hmmm

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I noticed that I had to turn it down a bit more to get a connection, and the little voice in my head began whispering Pssst. Use the tweezers. Ok, I lied -- it was warning me that if I couldn't get the electrical connection, stop tightening the thing, already.

I KNEW it!! Can't go a day without the tweezers!! :D That voice in your head came in handy for once too! YAY!

What specific check (battery-wise) do you recommend?

It is quite complicated but here goes:
Open endcap and touch the spring.
Burned finger on hot spring = hot batteries. :p
(serious, I did this last week)

Hey Hellen, here's a question... I noticed just now that I'm getting the usual/expected performance out of the 510-to-801-adapter+302-atomizer combo on the plastic box mod (which also uses the 14500). I transfer that same combo onto either a 501 megabattery or onto the BB, and I'm getting 'gurgling' -- not enough vaporizing. The batteries are fresh in all cases. What might be the cause, do you suppose?

Thanks.

This is the part about vaping I hate. Stuff that "IS ALL THE SAME" that really isn't all the same.

I take it your 510 atty works fine on the BB (good vapor, no gurgling?)

The connector on the adapter isn't making good contact on your 510 and BB. Seems the fitting on your box mod makes good contact. Probably a smidge higher center post on the battery fitting of the box mod I'd guess (without seeing it).

I have several of the 510/801 adapters here. Out of 5 of them, 2 of the 510 sides have a center post that is higher than the others. Yeah... grrrrreeeeeaaaaatttttt.

This has been an atomizer/battery issue since the beginning of vaping. Makes sense that it is the same for mods and adapters/attys. Compatible doesn't mean it works right. You also can try to use your TWEEZERS to very gently pull up the center post on the 510 battery. If you pull it out of the silicone you'll short it when you put the adapter/atty on it.

You can also try the same thing with the 510 end of the adapter. Really watch it though. In this thread, Crashtestjeep shows how to lift an atty post with TWEEZERS http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/thag-built-chuck/33735-how-spend-saturday-967.html#post818147 Same thing should work for the adapter.

Safest bet is if it is a new adapter you have recently received, talk to the supplier (could be one that is off slightly) and get it replaced. If not and you've had it a while, go buy a new one to see if that takes care of it. You can find them for around $4 these days. These seem to be made a bit different? Larger face that looks to be near the top? TotallyWicked:
510-801 silver adapter(510 bat to 801 at)

HeavyVapor has them cheap, but I don't know anything about these guys. $1.99 each or 5 for $7.99. Might want to check the forum first and email HV to make sure they're ok. Heavy Vapor - HeavyVapor.com, Personal Vaporizers Don't know how much shipping is either! Beware...

If you decide to try some new ones, I suggest you send the supplier an email and ask them to pick you out a few with a high 510 center post before you order.

BTW Mike... is this your FaceBook?
Real men love tweezers | Facebook :p
 

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LOL... This one is for you Mike... all the cool kids are now calling them a disguise tool. Hmmm
I refuse to acknowledge this. :)

>I KNEW it!! Can't go a day without the tweezers!! :D That voice in your head came in handy for once too! YAY!

"For once"? Rubbish. It was useful one time back in 1957, also. No, seriously.

>It is quite complicated but here goes:
Open endcap and touch the spring.
Burned finger on hot spring = hot batteries. :p
(serious, I did this last week)


"Doctor! It hurts when I walk this way!"

"So don't walk that way..."

>I take it your 510 atty works fine on the BB (good vapor, no gurgling?)

Correct.

Thanks for the atomizer info. As usual, you're a regular Wikpedia Army Of One of vaping.
 

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I'm new to vaping, less than a month, so certainly any kind of mod is new to me as well. My husband had been eyeing both the Silver Bullet and the Omega pretty much since he began reading this board. He'd shown me the Black Beauty and I'll admit I was a little hesitant to use something that big. All I've had up to this point is a 901 and 4 eGos.

Last week I ordered his Silver Bullet for his birthday and of course HAD to go ahead and get the Black Beauty for myself. I must say that I'm afraid my eGos will be taking a serious back seat to this thing as it's now pretty much like my phone and keys...where ever I am it is too. I'd have to say the review is spot on and we are both really pleased with both AltSmoke and the equipment.

It's not very girly, even in the pink and purple but I don't really care after experiencing how it performs. The ONLY downside is that I can't get the battery anywhere locally so I've ordered several back ups from AltSmoke.

I'm trying to convert my brother and this is the PV I intend to use.
 

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It's strange how hard it is to find batteries like the 14500 locally. They must be mostly specialty items for macho-flashlight fetishists :). I have bought them from Battery Junction and from High Tech Dealz (both on the web). Quite a while after writing the BB review here I discovered the eGo/Riva batteries and have been using them quite a bit, if only to keep from leaning too hard, too often, on the BB button and wearing it out before its time (likewise the buttons on my box mods). Although, that BB button is very solidly made.

But I keep appreciating both the BB and the box mods precisely because they use the great 14500 which is fairly cheap and pretty easily replaceable. If an eGo goes bad on you out of warranty, it's expensive to replace.

If I had any wish-list items mod-wise it would be for the most compact possible 14500-using mod with "swappable" fittings so that it'd be possible to use either a 510 atomizer or a penstyle on the thing without having to use those little easily-lose-able adapters. It seems like a worthwhile kind of product but I've never seen a thing like that (not that uses the 14500).
 

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i like my BB a lot.. i have the passthru and even bought an extra Head because my wife uses the BB.
My only complaint is the PT uses a $38. Enercell power amp. It is a good quality set up, BUT the Enercel has unusual voltage settings: 3, 5, 6, 6.5, 7, 7.5.
there is no setting for 3.7 or even 4v. You are stuck with lower then 3.7 (much lower, as it is lower than the 3.4 Ego), so the only thing that works with 3 setting is an LR and you get a nice smooth but very subtle vape. Next you have to go with 5v, which is great for power vapes on a reg 510 atty, but will get harsh rather quickly. There is no "standard" mid-range vape setting... unless I am missing something???

Other than that, the BB is a great quality solid dependable PV.
 

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The passthrough now has user-adjustable voltages? That wasn't available when I bought mine. I assume the one I use has the typical output -- same as the mod itself.

No, the Enercell, the suggested power amp for the BB PT has adjustables.

Actually the 5v works pretty darn good btw on a reg 510... just got to keep it wet as they say...
 

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you are not missing a whole lot; actually it probably works best imo, at what you are getting; somewhere around 3.4 if it hits like an eGo.

yep standard 510 is a tried and true winner; i agree.

I find that the hit is plenty good with the BB as-is. I am ok with the eGo or Riva as well. I have now tried several alternatives to my usual atomizers (510 and 302, which I found to be really superior to the 801s I started out with). The alternatives have been eGo mega-cartomizers (unfilled; in the pre-filled the e-liquid tastes bad to me) and eGo mega-atomizers, 510 cartomizers, an (apparently experimental) 510 mega cartomizer. So far the only contender I can live with is the non-pre-filled eGo mega cartomizer. The others give just too harsh a throat hit and for some reason tend to strongly reduce the flavor of the e-liquid (I don't know how). My motive for all this silly experimenting was to get an atomizer+cart combination where I didn't have to top off the liquid all the time -- but no matter. For the best combination I can get of performance+flavor+not too harsh a throat hit, I keep ending up with the 510 and the 302...
 
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