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Hi, Mike.
There are no clear cut conversions here. The mg/ml does not translate cleanly into an absorbed nicotine amount. That depends on a lot of factors, from the type of vaping gear you are using and the power output to the humidity in the room, most likely.
However, data from NRT studies showed that people can reliably self-dose their nicotine intake, so let yourself find the right concentration that works for you. There are to sides to the nicotine concentration - on the one hand, it is likely that a higher concentration will allow faster / more nicotine absorption, but on the other hand a higher concentration also affects the 'throat hit'. You have to balance the two.
Many new vapers find that sometimes they need a stronger 'hit' to get them over those cravings, either due to triggers like meals, or morning coffee or just out of the blue. So a lot of us, at least in the beginning, use a lower mg juice throughout the day, while keeping a higher one on hand as 'rescue' for cravings.
There is no right or wrong, however - what works for you is the best.
Rule of thumb, though - light smokers ~ 12-16 mg/ml; full flavor smokers ~18-20 mg/ml; hardcore chain smokers 24+ mg/ml...
There are no clear cut conversions here. The mg/ml does not translate cleanly into an absorbed nicotine amount. That depends on a lot of factors, from the type of vaping gear you are using and the power output to the humidity in the room, most likely.
However, data from NRT studies showed that people can reliably self-dose their nicotine intake, so let yourself find the right concentration that works for you. There are to sides to the nicotine concentration - on the one hand, it is likely that a higher concentration will allow faster / more nicotine absorption, but on the other hand a higher concentration also affects the 'throat hit'. You have to balance the two.
Many new vapers find that sometimes they need a stronger 'hit' to get them over those cravings, either due to triggers like meals, or morning coffee or just out of the blue. So a lot of us, at least in the beginning, use a lower mg juice throughout the day, while keeping a higher one on hand as 'rescue' for cravings.
There is no right or wrong, however - what works for you is the best.
Rule of thumb, though - light smokers ~ 12-16 mg/ml; full flavor smokers ~18-20 mg/ml; hardcore chain smokers 24+ mg/ml...
I second that. By personal experience from every smoker I've converted:
Me: Chain smoker, ultra-light cigs. I stabilized at 20 mg/ml (I DIY)
Mom: Moderate smoker, ultra-light cigs. She went to 12 mg/ml.
Cousin: Light smoker, full-flavored cigs. He went to 24.
Cousin: Moderate smoker, full-flavored cigs. He was happy at 18.
Cousin: Light smoker, light cigs. She ended up at 18.
Friend: Moderate smoker, unfiltered cigs. He was happiest at 12.
Do you see a trend there? Yeah, me neither.
Except to say that all of us found our sweet spot, and it was always between 12 and 24. Some outliers might be happiest at 6 or 36, but that's not showing in my very small sample.
Me: Chain smoker, ultra-light cigs. I stabilized at 20 mg/ml (I DIY)
Mom: Moderate smoker, ultra-light cigs. She went to 12 mg/ml.
Cousin: Light smoker, full-flavored cigs. He went to 24.
Cousin: Moderate smoker, full-flavored cigs. He was happy at 18.
Cousin: Light smoker, light cigs. She ended up at 18.
Friend: Moderate smoker, unfiltered cigs. He was happiest at 12.
Do you see a trend there? Yeah, me neither.
Except to say that all of us found our sweet spot, and it was always between 12 and 24. Some outliers might be happiest at 6 or 36, but that's not showing in my very small sample.
Thats an interesting idea and perhaps one thats already been done. Have people post what they used to smoke, amount per day and brand, then list how much and what nicotine level they vaped when they stopped smoking.
As you mention there may be no relation at all. Also there could be so many variables that it would be difficult to obtain the data you needed. Ie, type of vaporizer, relative health, humidity, etc.
Some good info here for me.
The "stuff" in the cig shops only says 1.6 mg.
This is a good start for me.
Thanks -- HMike
The "stuff" in the cig shops only says 1.6 mg.
This is a good start for me.
Thanks -- HMike
You mean the nicotine amount per cigarette? One ml of liquid probably equates to ~6 cigarettes, maybe, but you will see that vaping is not at all like smoking in the sense that a vaping session is longer than smoking a cigarette. Moreover, the absorption is completely different - cigarettes are engineered to deliver nicotine instantly to the brain in 'peaks' of concentration whereas vaping appears to not cause those peaks. That's one of the reason conversions don't work. A smoker can be said to have 20 peaks of nicotine and 20 bad withdrawals every day. That's not true about vaping.
Also different juice hit different with same nic. level in them. B&W cookie from AiV hits me like atruck at 18mg. and zero throat hit with cherry blossom from them...
HHV serendipity was too strong for me at 18mg first days I received it, couldn't get it in my throat. Now I vaped it all yesterday... after 2 weeks it sitting on shelve.
LM ligh 20-25 cigs a day. 18mg nic. at ~5ml a day
The puffs are bigger with vaping vs smoking. The taste is awesome... it all results to having daily puffs multiplied vs cigarette smoking.
You nic needs will likely change over time...maybe even suddenly. I was a 3 pad full flavor 40+ year chain smoker. I started at 24mg. After 2 months the jitters and anxiety forced me down to 12-18mg. After 3 months I tried 6mg but settled at about 8-9mg. Thats where I am now after 5 months. Your body will definitely let you know. I strive for balance...somewhere between running around like a headless chicken and OMG I need a smoke.
Wellll -- I hate to say this but the 18 & 24 mg give me the
shxts within about 4 hours. It lasts for a day and this with
100% VG. I smoke little cigars but don't inhale much and
those don't bother me.
I've ordered a 3 mg liquid and see how that works.
HMike
shxts within about 4 hours. It lasts for a day and this with
100% VG. I smoke little cigars but don't inhale much and
those don't bother me.
I've ordered a 3 mg liquid and see how that works.
HMike
I was a PADish on Camel Lights.. my juice of choice is 12mg or 1.2%. I started with 8mg/.8% and it was a bit week so I bumped it up. It also depends on equipment (voltage) and PG/VG level. You can always order some samples of various levels from the same place and cut as needed.
I was smoking a pack and a half of Winston reds before I started vaping. The informed sales guy suggested 18mg for my first juice. It was a nice transition for the first couple of days until I got used to it, so I thought I should go with a higher mg level to try to get that hit I felt when I first started. Bought some 24mg and I didn't care for the throat hit so I mixed it with the 18mg in different percentages. After a few weeks I ended up getting a couple of mods (Vmax and a ProVari) which gave me a better range of wattage. This allowed me to get precisely the hit I like with 12mg. YMMV
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There are so many variables involved that it is not funny, and probably not possible to create your ratio.
Possible variables on cigarettes:
Number of drags
Drag time
Idle Time
Relight?
filter density
filter damage
lung condition
saliva amounts
tempature
cherry temperature
That is just what I can think of on this post.
and there are are about the same from a e-cig perspective. with a couple of changes (vv/vw, for temp)
What I can tell you is I was a pack-a-day smoker of full flavored cigarettes and I started at 12 mg... I am weening myself down to 6 mg right now
Possible variables on cigarettes:
Number of drags
Drag time
Idle Time
Relight?
filter density
filter damage
lung condition
saliva amounts
tempature
cherry temperature
That is just what I can think of on this post.
and there are are about the same from a e-cig perspective. with a couple of changes (vv/vw, for temp)
What I can tell you is I was a pack-a-day smoker of full flavored cigarettes and I started at 12 mg... I am weening myself down to 6 mg right now
Im going up,i started month ago with 6mg,12, 18,now 24,i was vaping too much with the lower mg`s, 24 is perfect now and i save cash on juice as it all the same price.
I think that I'm on my own here. My guts are very sensitive to many
things and Nic may be one of them. I'm going to try a low Nic and see
how that works -- then maybe increase it by mixing 18 mg into the batch.
Thanks for the insights -- HMike
things and Nic may be one of them. I'm going to try a low Nic and see
how that works -- then maybe increase it by mixing 18 mg into the batch.
Thanks for the insights -- HMike
I think this is one of those things that you just gotta try yourself to figure out. I used to be a pack a day menthol 100 smoker so I ordered both 24's and 18's in my first juice order. So far I find myself liking the 18's better.
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