EU And the screw tightens.

[Orb Skewer]

"Member States shall require manufacturers and importers to ensure that only electronic cigarettes are placed on the market that cannot be operated or opened by children."

Info post: EU legislative proposals for nicotine containing products (e-cigarettes) « The counterfactual

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Wow that may be one of the scariest things i've read recently.

So much for sane regulation in the EU. More like the end of e-cigs altogether and im sure we're next.

Sigh...

 

[Talyon]

That legislation if carried, not sure if it has been? Shall be the Death of the ecig and many many many people.

I'm so glad our elected governments are looking out for our health. Sigh!

 

[Dave_in_OK]

How can one comply with "manufacturers and importers of nicotine-containing products submit to the competent authorities" when the authorities have been shown to be incompetent? All joking aside this illustrates how bad government can be once they become corrupted with money, power and control.

 

[Steamix]

Means vapers are going to have wrists like 'Popeye the Sailorman' .
Disposable lighters are considered childproof because it takes some more pressure than a child could exert to fire it up
So, gents and gentesses, start hitting the gyms
Waiting for the first clip to crop up on yt : ''Provari power punch made easy'' or ''Bodybuilding with you BCC''

Sarcasms aside, sometimes it's a pity that we've become civilized. In another place and another time, we'd start boiling tar and plucking chicken....

 

[Orb Skewer]

Their twisted logic would mean that cigarettes would be 10x easier to get than e -cigs, for children.

 

[Jack the Dripper]

Thanks Orb Skewer for the latest News.

Now it happened:
I just ordered 2 litres of 36 mg/ml nicotine bases. "Panic buying" if you will. And believe me, I hit that damn "buy"-Button with hate and wrath. Never in my life before I was (indirectly) coerced to buy a product...

Referring to childproof products:
These arguments are rubbish and absurd. There are tons of dangerous products out there that can be opened or operated by children:
- shiny bright "clip-ons" (toilet cleaners) smelling of fresh oranges
- coffee makers with hot steam nozzles
- kitchen knifes, scissors, etc.
...... and literally *thousands* of other things clearly more dangerous than e-cigs.

I am NOT proud to be a citizen of the European Union. I am deeply ashamed.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Here you go, as seen on amazon only 11.95.



You can choose which finger to exercise.

 

[AgentAnia]

Another post from Clive Bates on this latest shameful proposal:

Embarrassingly poor EU policy-making – follow the rules and do a proper job on e-cigarettes « The counterfactual

Don't forget tomorrow's twitterbomb!

 

[cmknight]

I have a suggestion ... use their own words against them. Go out and buy some 3 1/2" X 5" Index cards. Write the following on the cards:


“This product contains nicotine which is a highly addictive substance. It is not recommended for use by non-smokers.”


and start placing them in the vegetable section of your local supermarket!!

 

[Orb Skewer]

I have a feeling the 'negotiations' and the TPD process (to include e-cigs) are going to be re scheduled until after the holidays-and into the new year.

Frédérique Ries ‏@Frederiqueries 1m
#EP #Trilogue #Tobacco Total deadlock in discussions. Council now proposes to ban the #ecig beyond 5mg nicotine/ml.

https://twitter.com/Frederiqueries

 

[AgentAnia]

Wait what?! 5mg??

ETA: Per tweet just in from Clive Bates:

In secret, Germany presses 5mg/ml N limit hoping to get 10-15mg/ml. Ignorant horse-trading, '000s lives at stake. Needs a proper process.

 

[Rickajho]

Here you go, as seen on amazon only 11.95.

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You can choose which finger to exercise.

I choose to exercise my middle finger. And I do not believe I will need a device to exercise that one by the time all is said and done.

 

[AgentAnia]

I have a suggestion ... use their own words against them. Go out and buy some 3 1/2" X 5" Index cards. Write the following on the cards:


“This product contains nicotine which is a highly addictive substance. It is not recommended for use by non-smokers.”


and start placing them in the vegetable section of your local supermarket!!

Brilliant concept! Vive la resistance! Vive la eggplant!

 

[Jack the Dripper]

Here you go, as seen on amazon only 11.95.

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You can choose which finger to exercise.

I already use the Varigrip, but for its real training purpose. (I'm a guitarist).
But you're right, putting the emphasis on the middle finger makes sense in this weird times

 

[AgentAnia]

I have a feeling the 'negotiations' and the TPD process (to include e-cigs) are going to be re scheduled until after the holidays-and into the new year....

If this were the case, would the EU presidency have changed over (to Greece, I believe)?

 

[Jack the Dripper]

If this were the case, would the EU presidency have changed over (to Greece, I believe)?

Yes,
Greece will have the EU presidency from January 1, 2014 until June 30, 2014, lead by Evangelos Venizelos. Venizelos is member of the PASOK-party, the greek socialists. I don't know how the socialists are politically connected to the tobacco lobby, but I'll find out...
Is there a greek ECF-member to bring some light into this topic??

followed by
Italy, from July 1, 2014 until December 31, 2014.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Yep Ania, the Greecians take the 'podium' next, the presidency is overlapped, so the present presidency will be there to shadow and show them the ropes as it were.








Ropes, now there's an idea

 

[AgentAnia]

A quick search shows that Greece is a tobacco-producing country, w/ particular ties to Phillip Morris Int'l. Several articles commented that a Greek EU president would likely favor a weakened TPD.

 

[tommy2bad]

A quick search shows that Greece is a tobacco-producing country, w/ particular ties to Phillip Morris Int'l. Several articles commented that a Greek EU president would likely favor a weakened TPD.

We were told the same about the Lithuanian presidency, that they would be week on tobacco control because of the Big tobacco investment in Lithuania. Turned out that they are the biggest opponents of anything but a cigalike. color me surprised. We may think BT are on our side but make no mistake BT are only interested in controlling the ecig market with the highest margin product they can produce.
Can't blame them, millions to lose, same for big pharma but that the health bodies and governments who are supposed to represent our interests would fall into line so easily is disgusting. They should have put up some semblance of pretense at least.