Annoying vape cliche

[Johan55]

Perhaps Old Wives Tale would be more descriptive, and I know there are more out there, but one that always kind of irritates me is;

"You can have flavor, or you can have clouds, but not both".

Unless I'm unclear on the concept, the flavor comes from vaporized ejuice. But if I vaporize enough of this juice to make a big cloud, I get less flavor??

Kind of funny, if not for the fact that beginner vapors are often led astray by these false truisms. I know I was.....

 

[Topwater Elvis]

IMO, biggest false truism;
" you must use subohm resistances & high power to get huge cloudz & excellent flavor "

 

[anavidfan]

Thats a hard one to answer in a word or two, or without the other cliche of "it depends on a lot of things"

FIrst "taste" is subjective, all sorts of biological/ science facts etc. Basically its different tastes for different.....

But when rebuidables came out and we had differences in how air was taken in to the coil , people started to "taste" differences.
Again, its all in your particular likes and needs. Some atties are hot, some are cool. Same atty can be built to be the opposite depending on height of your coil in comparison to the intake.

But then that brings us to under the coil air hole or side air? See what I mean?

All I know is that when I first got in to rebuildable tanks, I settled with one and used that for years and thats what I compared everything new to.

Most of the new RTAs were much more airy. To me that caused the flavor to diminish. As designs advanced this was less and less true. Chamber size affects flavor and soon we saw many airy tanks designed for concentrated air where its needed and now in my opinion, you can get both, If built right....

Dripper atties also went thru lots of changes. Most drippers were designed for flavor and many did not like the tight draw. BOOM the industry changed and you saw adjustable air on many drippers and it was possible to get TONS of air. Many did complain that it was too much air after being used to the older drippers.

Again lots of design updates, smaller chambers to concentrate flavor and get massive air.

Its an age old thing, that IS true depending on what device you are using.

I like RTAs and I do have one dripper and honestly I see no difference in taste. Its probably my style of vaping. I get wonderful taste and pretty large clouds, though I doubt I will ever win prizes at cloud competitions.

 

[herb]

IMO, biggest false truism;
" you must use subohm resistances & high power to get huge cloudz & excellent flavor "

X 1000 on this one LOL.

 

[ElevenEleven]

Its an old truism referring to how light eliquid flavoring was a couple years ago. A tighter draw meant you would get more flavor from the same liquid. Obviously, this doesn't apply today since most eliquids made now contain massive amounts of flavoring.

 

[WattWick]

It may not be all about clouds being flavorless or flavors being cloudless. Prior to "cloud chasing", there was no defined "flavor chasing". In my mind, the latter term was born mostly as a counter-movement - or a way to distinguish oneself from the former. As in; "I don't chase clouds, I chase flavor".

 

[Plumes.91]

thing is- if you're using 75w with a 0.5ohm coil and wide-open airflow, your flavor WILL be muted, and the heat alone, will lessen your flavor, usually. (this isn't a scientific FACT, and, it isn't going to fit every e-liquid or every palette... but, 4 the most-part, it's true) If you are using a HIGH wattage, like, 100w, then, your vape is going to be VERY warm, and, the flavor usually loses something @ that level. HOWEVER, SOME flavors taste BETTER at HIGH/Ultra-High wattages. Some people prefer coffee/tobacco flavors @ high wattages. SOME people believe fruits simply cannot be tasted to their full potential, past 8-12 watts. So, it's really up-to the person. This is certainly an old wives tale, though, considering, you ARE going to TASTE your juice's flavor at high wattages/with huge plumes of vapor, in-fact, a-lot of the time, the flavor will be incredible at high wattages. Simple as that.

Like I said, I do prefer a lot of flavors at lower wattages, though... & I DO feel that a lot of flavors lessen at ultra-high wattages. I do agree with the poster whom has issue with those whom say things like "You cannot chuck plume at lower watts/higher resistances" lol. BS! I mean, when I open a brand-new Ego-ONE coil at 1ohm, and I vape that baby at 12.5 watts, i get HUGE, HUUGE plumes of vapor! So, I can shenanigans on any1 whom believes you MUST utilize sub-ohms and ultra-high-wattages to chuck plumage. BS! simply BS!

HOWEVER- You're most-likely going to have a MUCH easier time, chuckin' some vapor, at HIGHER wattages, regardless of your coil. Right? The coil doesn't matter, the WATTAGE does... You can have a 2.5ohm coil, doesn't-matter, if you vape that 2.5ohm coil at 40 watts, you're GOING to chuck a huge amount of vapor.... If you vape that same coil at 80w, you'll chuck even MOAR vapor. Vape that 2.5ohm coil at 100 or 200 watts with WIDE OPEN AIRFLOW (low nicotine strength, hopefully, lol) you'll have competition size cloudz.... HOWEVER..... Vape that SAME 2.5ohm coil on a mechanical mod, FRESH off the charger, and you'll see, you'll have sum HUGE plumage!! So- The RES don't matter as much as the wattage, and guess what? If your juice is 100% VG in a well-working RDA, hell, yer gon' git some COMPETITION sized clouds with your average mechanical tube mod, with a battery fresh off the charger. (providing 35-40watts) If you DONT have the right airflow, yer sh&t will burn, and, you WONT be chuxkin clowedz.... IF you use a CE4 clearomizer, at 150w, you're most-likely NOT gonna be chuzkin cloods... considering, that lil' CE4 wont keep-up, n it's gon' burn! IF you dunno how to build for mechs, it's gonna be a tooty-poofer build/set-up. IF you have 100% PG juice, tootie-poofing 101... so... DO NOT buy-into the wive's tales..... FLAVOR, is subjective to each tongue, and, plumage, well, it depends on your build, but it also depends on whether or not you've got a good mod, and the RIGHT wattage...

 

[VaPreis]

Perhaps Old Wives Tale would be more descriptive, and I know there are more out there, but one that always kind of irritates me is;

"You can have flavor, or you can have clouds, but not both".

Unless I'm unclear on the concept, the flavor comes from vaporized ejuice. But if I vaporize enough of this juice to make a big cloud, I get less flavor??

Kind of funny, if not for the fact that beginner vapors are often led astray by these false truisms. I know I was.....

There is a difference between flavor from good atomizer design and flavor by brute force.

I prefer the former.

 

[Johan55]

I've run the gamut, from carto's to clearo's, rda's to rta's. With the latest tanks, drippers and rta's I can find juice/airflow/power combos for all of them that produce both flavor and big clouds. Mostly prefer flavor chasing (the reason that I DIY, well, cost too), but when the mood strikes enjoy fogging the room also. My current mod and atomizer combos do both. I think my main point is that some of these sayings need to be put to rest. Some were true once upon a time, some never really held water.

 

[Captain Pegleg]

Edit: When I say "more vapor" I mean more concentrated vapor, not how much you inhale (can't taste with your lungs!) I feel the same as OP. More vapor gives more flavor for me, and also more heat (warmer vape), because...more vapor is produced. It is hard to find a perfect balance, though, of heat, airflow, and draw time. I know that I get tonnnms of flavor from my "muted flavor big clouds" Arctic tank at 65 watts or so, but I tale very short puffs. Less flavor at lower, recommended wattages, longer draw time, mehh...

Longer draw times seem to be popular, so more airflow is also popular, because without it, yuck and/or ouch lol. Then they sigh about muted flavor... I say quit trying to inhale enough to fill a Zeppelin, or don't even try to judge an atomizer on flavor.

 

[sig-cmt]

...you must use subohm resistances & high power to get huge cloudz & excellent flavor...

And the inverse: You can obtain huge cloudz & excellent flavor from coils equal to or above 1.0 ohm driven low. Excellent flavor? Perhaps. Huge cloudz? No way.

 

[herb]

Clouds have always been the "least" important thing to me , as a matter of fact i always believed it's the "clouds" that give vaping such a bad rap .

If i could vape and get the same satisfaction as i do without emitting any clouds i would much prefer that to be honest .

I also think that vaping would not be frowned upon nearly as much and would be more widely accepted if "huge cloudage" wasn't the first thing anti's think about when they hear the word vaping .

It just looks terrible to people who don't vape it really does , yes i know it's not smoke but the problem is it looks and acts like smoke and thats all it takes .

 

[HauntedMyst]

I'm not much of a cloud person (unless I am alone and just want to think and watch the clouds dance in the evening light) so flavor has always been more important for me. The flavor atomizers all seem to have smaller chambers. The cliche that I am glad that has seemed to pass is "It hits like a freight train" I doubt most people could really tell much of a difference between one mech mod and the next so long as the coil was built it hit hard. With VW devices, they all hit hard.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Lol
Almost every one of these false statements stem from people who do not understand their gear.

You can indeed have huge dense flavorful clouds.
And yes, you can fog a room with a 1 ohm coil.
It's about balance, and actually knowing how your gear works.

 

[Johan55]

Clouds have always been the "least" important thing to me , as a matter of fact i always believed it's the "clouds" that give vaping such a bad rap .

If i could vape and get the same satisfaction as i do without emitting any clouds i would much prefer that to be honest .

I also think that vaping would not be frowned upon nearly as much and would be more widely accepted if "huge cloudage" wasn't the first thing anti's think about when they hear the word vaping .

It just looks terrible to people who don't vape it really does , yes i know it's not smoke but the problem is it looks and acts like smoke and thats all it takes .

I haven't seen many people vaping in public. Live in a rural area on the shore of Lake Huron, but even when I make the trip to the big city it's a rare sight. No doubt it happens that some fools chuck out huge clouds in public in the mistaken belief that they are impressing someone. But I don't think it is so commonplace as to be the major factor in what is fueling the anti's. And I like the clouds, it was the main reason I smoked (cigarettes do not taste good), and now vape. Nicotine never really gave me much of a buzz after smoking for awhile, and my nic content is low in my ejuice. Have tried no nic, but there seems to be something missing in the flavor or hit, so have ended up at 3mg. I have heard that blind people don't smoke, and I guess if I couldn't see the vapor and just wanted the nicotine, there are pills and patches for that. It would be much easier than vaping.

 

[herb]

I haven't seen many people vaping in public. Live in a rural area on the shore of Lake Huron, but even when I make the trip to the big city it's a rare sight. No doubt it happens that some fools chuck out huge clouds in public in the mistaken belief that they are impressing someone. But I don't think it is so commonplace as to be the major factor in what is fueling the anti's. And I like the clouds, it was the main reason I smoked cigarettes do not taste good), and now vape. Nicotine never really gave me much of a buzz after smoking for awhile, and my nic content is low in my ejuice. Have tried no nic, but there seems to be something missing in the flavor or hit, so have ended up at 3mg. I have heard that blind people don't smoke, and I guess if I couldn't see the vapor and just wanted the nicotine, there are pills and patches for that. It would be much easier than vaping.

I never see vapors where i am at now , everyone still smokes it seems . You always read about people blowing clouds and vaping while in Walmart( that is mind boggling to me lol) , so it obviously is happening somewhere .

I have never heard that blind people do not smoke , i also have never heard anyone say they smoke because of seeing smoke while doing it so you are a first .

 

[Johan55]

I tried vaping in the dark, it just wasn't the same. So apparently I like to see the vapor....

 

[roxynoodle]

I can vape in the dark just fine. I do sometimes when I can't sleep.

 

[Thrasher]

Come to central fla. Ill show you everything from sams club to the laundromat with vapers walking around.1

Even people in the water at the beach holdin a vape lol

Bars, clubs, you name it. 99% of people here mind their business and get on with their lives. So vaping is flourishing in public here.


An since im pretty much over flavors the thicker the vapor I make the better. My car looks on fire at the red lights lol.


There was a time when you really did have to choose, taking a flavor atty and just drilling a bigger hole made bigger clouds that tasted like nothing. Devices now are being designed with high airflow in mind.

It took the industry about a year to take the kayfun design and figure out how to open up the airflow without killing the flavor.

Suddenly, poof!

Goblins, foggers and subtanks types are everywhere.

 

[Johan55]

I can vape in the dark just fine. I do sometimes when I can't sleep.

Yeah, I had no trouble doing it. Just did not like it very much. But each to their own. If you end up preferring it, during the day you could close your eyes when you take a toot....