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The other day, I was watching a Chicago Blackhawks game at a very nice bar & grill that I've been to many times in Evanston, IL. The owner came by and I asked him if it was OK to vape in the eatery, and he said yes. It was pretty crowded, and I kept it to a very low key...almost no clouds at 65W+ on an rda, with the vapor being directed at the floor. Nobody was mad, and a few people saw me and gave me the thumbs up.

If we want to be accepted, and spread the good word about vaping, then we have to act like we have others best interest in mind. I know if I would have cranked it up to 80W+ and blew vapor all over the place, it would have set a bad precedent.

Be cool out there people. :thumb:
 

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Hah. Funny story. So I am from Philly - PA. Not exactly the manners-capital of the country, huh?

Anyways...I usually go to Eagles games and my absolute FAVORITE part about going is watching drunken fans from the opposite team start talking smack to eagles fans. (If you didn't know, you don't do this at the Lincoln Financial Field). Soooo there was this Bills fan who was vaping in the tailgate lot and there were a lot of smokers out and about tailgating as per usual. He decided that he was going to be super-douche that day and let the other fans know how he felt about smoking. He walked up to them and started coughing and insulting the smokers.

Long story short he had about 3-4 guys cornering him and i'm not exactly sure how that ended up but I yelled to him from across the lot that it wasn't going to end well for him. I've seen women get in fights with women and men get in fights with men because of opening their mouth when they have no reason to. Drunken idiots are the best kind of idiots.


Moral of the story to new vapers: Nobody wants to hear your snide comments. Keep them to yourself. If you don't like smokers or the smell of smoke, walk the other way, don't make yourself out to be an idiot and call the strangers smoking out on the carpet. It's one thing if they are friends and you are joking with them but to do this to strangers takes some real nads. I have talked to people who automatically assume now that if you are vaping you are a jerk. That's a horrible thing to hear and I have to spend time actually convincing these people that we are not all like that. Stop being jerks. If you want to share vaping with smokers who want to listen that's one thing but do so in the right environment and at the right time. And make sure you are helpful not hurtful.
 
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Its hard to pin-down what exactly creates large clouds and WHERE the wattage range is for large clouds.. Every setup is different and every coil to wattage set is different. In my opinion, 40 watts and more, can produce the same cloud as 75w, esp if the 75w device is using pg and the 40w device is using vg, right? juice plays a role 2. in my opinion, at a certain point, your really just sucking up juice, battery life, & increasing the warmth of tha vape..... I am quite happy from 8 to 12 with a 12-18mg juice and at 12 to 40 for clouds 4 dayzz. But, I do believe that at 30-35w, I can get some great clouds on-par with a 60+ watt rig, without the heat, potential flavor decrease, etc. Just my humble findings and opinions.
 
Its hard to pin-down what exactly creates large clouds and WHERE the wattage range is for large clouds.. Every setup is different and every coil to wattage set is different. In my opinion, 40 watts and more, can produce the same cloud as 75w, esp if the 75w device is using pg and the 40w device is using vg, right? juice plays a role 2. in my opinion, at a certain point, your really just sucking up juice, battery life, & increasing the warmth of tha vape..... I am quite happy from 8 to 12 with a 12-18mg juice and at 12 to 40 for clouds 4 dayzz. But, I do believe that at 30-35w, I can get some great clouds on-par with a 60+ watt rig, without the heat, potential flavor decrease, etc. Just my humble findings and opinions.


Battery life, true you do go through that if you run high watts. Juice? Where do you think the juice is going if it is being vaporized? If it is as you say being vaporized and used up, it is definitely creating larger clouds and the nicotine in that vapor is getting in to your blood stream faster b/c you are inhaling it in greater quantities.
 

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Well... I build my own coils, have been doing it since about 2 months after I started vaping... and I love my vape, it's absolutely perfect... a 9 watt tootle-puff. Words cannot express how much fun it is to walk into a vape shop, carrying a custom-etched 40w mod (a sparkly CF4 with my name on it!), with what is very clearly an RDA on top of it... and puff out some of my little thin wispy clouds. :lol: The looks on their faces is absolutely breathtakingly funny, they are so completely puzzled that a "dripper" is blowing those thin little wisps, and is apparently quite pleased by them. :D :lol: :D

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huh? No, in my opinion, at high wattages, the temp of the coil is going to get-rid of MOAR joose, at a quicker speed than if you were vaping with LOW wattages and/or LOW low lowww coil resistances. Yes, higher wattages by either setting your regulated device AT a high wattage, OR by utilizing a SUB OHM coil setup on your mechanical (wattage directly from the battery, unregulated by the mod) APV. However it is in my very humble opinion, observation, and experience, that while pulling high wattage (thru ANY meanz) you have the risk of going-through MOAR e-liquid, per puff, all the while- whilst NOT increasing the sheer SIZE of your vapor cloud. Now, don't get me wrong... 100w is going to produce more vapor than a 50w mod, sure. (if EVERYTHING is the same: Atty/Coil + PG/VG Ratio + Airflow Setting + Other Variables I won't get-into now) YES, a 100 watt puff, WILL usually & most-likely, produce more vapor than a 50 watt puff. HOWEVER, in my opinionnnnn, the difference can be slim, at-least aesthetically, due-to the properties/limitations of today's modern RDA. IDK- If you ask me, the SIZE of the PLUME of vapor you get from 50w is very similar to the size of a 100w poof... Of-course the 100w poof is going to be MOAR DENSER, DANKER, if you will.... But visually, they can be similar. & let me refrain from speaking of size alone..... YES, it is my belief that the visual size of the plume from a 100w poof & 50w poof can-be very similar, the AMOUNT of JUICE/E-liquid/Niquid that becomes bio-available for bodily-consumption, WILL CERTAINLY INCREASE in the 100w set-up & individual puff/circumstance. YES, indeeed....

I mean the above paragraph MAY sound like I am speaking out of my bum, sure... But, I must say, from my own experiences, the above paragraph rings true, at-least at a percentage of the time. SURE, an experienced builder is obviously going to make 100w work for he/she in a way that produces more visible vapor per hit than if he/she were to build the same set-up and vape it at the same wattage on a 50w rig, uh-huh, it's possible.... But it is also VERY MUCH possible that 100w is only going to increase temperature, increase thickness of your cloud (thus making it "hang-around" or... "linger" in the air, longer-than saay, a 50w device..... But, a-lot of the time, you'll get the SAAAAME visual vapor from EITHER 50/100w hit, just different temps, flavor notes, etc......

For me, I actually LIKE the flavor of MOST of my e-liquids BELOW 60-75 watts. In-fact, I enjoy MOST of my flavors below 50 watts, and if I WANT a cool vape, I enjoy my flavors a lot at 12-35 watts, simple as that! I don't need to continuously vape at high watages to satisfy my tongue, my throat, my body, my mind, etc. In-fact I find myself craving COOL vapor + STRONG throat-hit much-more than I find myself wanting WARM-vapor + Strong throat-hit.... The COOL vapor seems to satisfy my lust for TH all the bit more than warm vapor does.... & while on this topic, I DO find that WARM vapor CAN have the possibility of muting flavoring. YES- In my life, I've noticed a muting of flavor in MOST (not ALL) MOST juices, when at a higher wattage. & the nicotine content of each e-liquid (at different wattages, high & low) also effects the flavor- For instance, at higher wattages, a higher MG per ML e-liquid is going to have MUCH, MUCH less flavor than at cooler temps. I believe the amount of nicotine vaporized directly conflicts with the flavor trying to hit my taste-buds, resulting-in an almost sickening peppery, warm mess a-top my tongue.... I may even TASTE the Propylene Glycol & the Vegetable Glycerin at a higher percentage, at higher temperatures, than the flavor of the e-liquid, when vaping at high wattages.... In-fact, the WICKING MATERIAL can even come-into play when speaking of HIGH wattages VS LOW wattages. Where-as- in comparison, I rarely if @ all EVER, taste the PG or the VG, NOR the Nicotine, NOR the wicking-material(s) when vaping at LOWER/COOLER wattages.

That's what I've got; That's what I've personally noticed & noted to share w/ the vaper community. That is what I am going to STICK my guns to, for this evening... Now if you will excuse me, I must retire to the bedroom. My pillow is calling my name, & I simply must have a sponge-bath b4 I catch some Z's. :) I will of-course be checking ECF's "new-posts" page a few-moar times, comment on a few moar threads, n git2BED!

GOODNIGHT everyone, & good life! <3 :) Sleep WELL my fellow East-Coasters.
& as my FB told me this evening- A PSA for the NE Foreigners/Tourists/Leaf-Peepers: It's Foliage. (Dead Leaves) ...Get Over It! ;)

GOOD VAPE.... & of course, Good-Night to ALL of my ECF Friends & Family. GN! <3 lol.
 
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A lot of factors go into clouds or flavor, but that is my opinion, a lot of it based off tinkering with this and that, looking at the physics and trying to emulate the great green mother herself "Nature" in creating those natural clouds she makes. Some key factors do come into play, namely PG/VG ratio, surface area, where the cool humid air enters from and how it vortexes upward. To much fresh air higher in ratio to flavored hot vapor off the coil, flavor diminishes but vapor expansion and mixture increases, wider RDA deck can't focalize this mixture enough flavor drops. Reduced chamber, restricted space, radiant heat and no other room for flavored vapor to expand towards, increases flavor, examples here would be the chamber difference of a Quasar compared to an old Patriot. Personally hit the 90 to 100watt or higher range, vape gets to hot for me, twice as bad as direct to lung hot boxing an analog used to be, not my thing, on a mech way to control that heat was airflow and coil resistance, its a matter of tinkering, looking at what you are working with and adjust and tinker from there.

Some cloud chasers, the competitors and cloud bro's out there, they are trying to make so much vapor they are hoping to fill an old steam engine compression chamber in my opinion, my interest in clouding was to test and tinker to get the best flavor blast I could, sad to say the best flavor has always been at the mid to lower end in a reduced chamber RDA/RTA, my 3 favorite RDAs, A7 mini, Helios V1, and my Quasar all small chambers with my IGO W V1's coming in 4th place, favorite tanks are still my Kayfuns and Russians, with my Subtanks and TFV4 coming up behind them when I get a wild hair itching badly.

Clouds Chasers vs Flavor Chasers I always looked at it this way, pushing the limit just to push the limits (Cloud Chasing and Showing Off) where flavor chasing was or is tinkering around to get the best flavor blast on a long draw (Clouds are just a byproduct not the driving force)
 

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PS- Yes, even your wicking material, the CONDITION of your coil (brand new or OLD?) the WAY your coil was created for better or worse, and the coil-GAUGE (and vicariously- coil to wick surface-area) are ALL going to effect vapor production PER puff!! If you're vaping at 100w with a 5-day old gunked-up, loosely-made 30G coil WITH a hot leg & drug-store cotton wick....... and I'M vaping right next to you, at a piddly 50w, w/ BRAND-NEW 26G machine-rolled (perfect/tight) coil tht I personally wicked (perfectly) with JapCotton, YOUR vapor production will most-likely pale in-comp to MY vapor production. :D & that's the waaay the world turns!!! GN!



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