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I got my smok X Cube Ultra less than a week ago and now it is no longer recognizing any of my attys. Check Atomizer is the message I get with any atomizer I put on it. It looks like I am going to have to send it in for warranty replacement.

This is the second defective mod I have had in less than a month.

I am sad again.
 
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Could you possibly be over-tightening your atomizers onto your mods? Sometimes this can cause the mod's 510 center pin to get pushed into the housing and break the electrical contact between atomizer and battery. Sometimes you can "tease" the center pin up with a small tool.

 

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Could you possibly be over-tightening your atomizers onto your mods? Sometimes this can cause the mod's 510 center pin to get pushed into the housing and break the electrical contact between atomizer and battery. Sometimes you can "tease" the center pin up with a small tool.



Yeah, I did check that out too. I have sent it back to Smok for warranty replacement. Fortunately their warranty service center is only 90 miles away so getting a new one back to me should be fairly quick.
 

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Imo you get what you pay for. I'm a firm believer in this, not only with vape gear but in most everything I buy. Some would rather buy 3 or 4 mods for a certain price, where I would rather buy just one quality mod for the same price as the 3 or 4. But everyone is different and to each there own

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I own 40+ mods (from original 15w Vamos to DNA mods) and have been using most of them a looong time. The only two that have ceased to function are a Provari 2.5 (after 12 months)and an ipv D2 (after 6 weeks).. Sometimes it's user error and sometimes it's just unlucky.
Hopefully, OP, your next mod will be lucky.
 

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Imo you get what you pay for. I'm a firm believer in this, not only with vape gear but in most everything I buy. Some would rather buy 3 or 4 mods for a certain price, where I would rather buy just one quality mod for the same price as the 3 or 4. But everyone is different and to each there own

You know i used to be on that bandwagon. But what does reliability actually count for when a year later a 50 dollar device outperforms your 300 dollar high end mod in every imaginable way.
Sure, i suppose that if you're conservative and have found your vape and are not interested in technological progress it kind of makes sense.
 

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You know i used to be on that bandwagon. But what does reliability actually count for when a year later a 50 dollar device outperforms your 300 dollar high end mod in every imaginable way.
Sure, i suppose that if you're conservative and have found your vape and are not interested in technological progress it kind of makes sense.

Not only that, but does the expensive mod actually last longer either. I mean sure there are mods that are barely working right new coming out. But really when most of the failures are board related are we really that sure that Lets say a Hemo DNA200 is going to outlast a Smoke Alien?
 

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You know i used to be on that bandwagon. But what does reliability actually count for when a year later a 50 dollar device outperforms your 300 dollar high end mod in every imaginable way.
Sure, i suppose that if you're conservative and have found your vape and are not interested in technological progress it kind of makes sense.
I don't follow the newest latest features tbh. I will never need more then 30 watts, so a dna 40 is all I would ever need. I don't use TC , so all that is a waste. Yes if your the type that is still looking for more features and will only use a mod for 6 months and buy another, then maybe buying cheaper trend setting Chinese mods is the way to go, It's just not my cup of tea. Yes one could get lucky buying a cheap mod or any item for that matter and get lucky and have it last for a long time but for the most part, you do get what you pay for, period and there is no denying that in general. I have a contracting business and in the past have bought cheap tools and every time I tried to save a buck, it just didn't work out. In my experience it has always worked out way better to buy quality stuff and at least for me it has always paid off. Same with vape gear , and one other plus is you can always sell a quality item and get back a good portion of the investment.

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Not only that, but does the expensive mod actually last longer either. I mean sure there are mods that are barely working right new coming out. But really when most of the failures are board related are we really that sure that Lets say a Hemo DNA200 is going to outlast a Smoke Alien?
Yes, a quality piece is just better, looks better, made better, last longer. Yes you can get lucky, absolutely, but for the most part a good quality mod just outperforms and oulasts.

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Yes, a quality piece is just better, looks better, made better, last longer. Yes you can get lucky, absolutely, but for the most part a good quality mod just outperforms and oulasts.

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Just saying that doesn't make it so. I like my M17's, but outside looking better there is little reason to believe that the M17 mini 18650 will outlast my SDNA75 even though you can get it for 1/6th the cost. The fact is outside the boards these are simple devices and if you aren't using a mech there is only so much you can do to protect the board from dying when running that much power through it. So as long as the feature list is right and the UI is good I don't think the longevity holds up.

Now sure going all Eleaf or Kanger where the purposely go bottom of the barrel or P4U or Sigelei not even trying to get things right. But assuming you pick a good mod and that is the hard part I don't see how outside anecdotal examples how anyone could say one device will last longer than another just because you spent more on it. That isn't how electronics work.
 

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Just saying that doesn't make it so. I like my M17's, but outside looking better there is little reason to believe that the M17 mini 18650 will outlast my SDNA75 even though you can get it for 1/6th the cost. The fact is outside the boards these are simple devices and if you aren't using a mech there is only so much you can do to protect the board from dying when running that much power through it. So as long as the feature list is right and the UI is good I don't think the longevity holds up.

Now sure going all Eleaf or Kanger where the purposely go bottom of the barrel or P4U or Sigelei not even trying to get things right. But assuming you pick a good mod and that is the hard part I don't see how outside anecdotal examples how anyone could say one device will last longer than another just because you spent more on it. That isn't how electronics work.
I know my advise to the OP doesn't hold true in all circumstances, I know one could buy the cheapest of cheap and get lucky and have it last for years, I'm merely saying that percentage wise, you will have much better luck buying from a more reputable place. I don't know where a or what mod they were talking about, but there is a better chance they purchased it from fast tech then provape, that just the facts. Honestly I believe it's sound advise to the OP and I give this advise from not only personal experience but from years of reading reviews and posts. Also, I believe that if sound advice is given to an OP, it is up to them to weigh all responses and could never understand why someone else would respond to my info and try to dispute it. I believe this is how crap starts and think it's unnecessary. If you had responded to the OP and said "stay away from so in so brand, or something that had even some validity, I just wouldn't directly respond to your post and try to disprove it. I have seen threads close down from this and ultimately it hurts the OP.

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I know my advise to the OP doesn't hold true in all circumstances, I know one could buy the cheapest of cheap and get lucky and have it last for years, I'm merely saying that percentage wise, you will have much better luck buying from a more reputable place. I don't know where a or what mod they were talking about, but there is a better chance they purchased it from fast tech then provape, that just the facts. Honestly I believe it's sound advise to the OP and I give this advise from not only personal experience but from years of reading reviews and posts. Also, I believe that if sound advice is given to an OP, it is up to them to weigh all responses and could never understand why someone else would respond to my info and try to dispute it. I believe this is how crap starts and think it's unnecessary. If you had responded to the OP and said "stay away from so in so brand, or something that had even some validity, I just wouldn't directly respond to your post and try to disprove it. I have seen threads close down from this and ultimately it hurts the OP.
That is just silly think and removes intelligent conversation which I think is important. Sure that practice would stop troll or fanboys from going bonkers and that is probably what killed the threads you referred to. Obviously the OP can also read the discourse back and forth and make an intelligent opinion just as well on that as they could with me stating one opinion and you stating another contradictory opinion.

My main point is that an opinion yours or others that because you spent more on a mod that yours is any safer or better than another mod. Specially when the two mods are using the same chip or even a competing chip. It's also unfounded. I compare it to my time doing retail PC repairs. We had 5 or 6 systems. Emachines, HP, Compaq, Sony, and a Botiquish home brand. We got tons of Emachines and HPs to work on, a decent amount of Compaq's, some Sony's and maybe in 2 years 1 of the home brand system. Just looking at the numbers it might suggest the home brand and the Sony were the best ones. Well that really wasn't the case. The home one was just as expensive as the Sony and sold very little. It was the easiest system to work on if something went wrong. But we probably sold 10 maybe 15 in the 2 years I was there. The Sony was as poorly built as the Emachine but at 3 times the cost in general. Poor choice in components, terrible wiring, very easy to break plastic latches and button, under power power supplies. But they used the fasted CPU's, most ram, and had connections and software preinstalled for media work (which is why the people that bought it made the purchase). The HP was probably the better built of the systems (outside the Home brand) but we sold almost as many of those as the Emachines. So of course a large portion of machines to work on where HP's.

My point being is that being 1 of 20 or 200 or 2000 may give you a false sense of security since you paid so much for it. But the reason you don't hear about problems with the system are the same reasons that apply to all devices including cars. The more it costs the less people who use it. The less people who use it. The less you hear about issues. Also as with anything expensive how its used changes completely there is a direct correlation between cost and treatment of the device. My M17's never leave the house, they certainly don't go in my pockets or bags. I don't leave them in hot cars. So on. So less extreme use cases.

The big thing the Hemo market has over the "cheaper" stuff is that a large portion is hand built or hand assembled. That means one or more eyes on just about every connection. But most of that time that means DOA or not DOA. From there its all about MTBF for the particular board and with a lot of Hemo's using SXJ 350 boards I don't see how anyone could say that it would last any longer than a mass market DNA device or even a Smok or Joyetech chipped device.
 

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That is just silly think and removes intelligent conversation which I think is important. Sure that practice would stop troll or fanboys from going bonkers and that is probably what killed the threads you referred to. Obviously the OP can also read the discourse back and forth and make an intelligent opinion just as well on that as they could with me stating one opinion and you stating another contradictory opinion.

My main point is that an opinion yours or others that because you spent more on a mod that yours is any safer or better than another mod. Specially when the two mods are using the same chip or even a competing chip. It's also unfounded. I compare it to my time doing retail PC repairs. We had 5 or 6 systems. Emachines, HP, Compaq, Sony, and a Botiquish home brand. We got tons of Emachines and HPs to work on, a decent amount of Compaq's, some Sony's and maybe in 2 years 1 of the home brand system. Just looking at the numbers it might suggest the home brand and the Sony were the best ones. Well that really wasn't the case. The home one was just as expensive as the Sony and sold very little. It was the easiest system to work on if something went wrong. But we probably sold 10 maybe 15 in the 2 years I was there. The Sony was as poorly built as the Emachine but at 3 times the cost in general. Poor choice in components, terrible wiring, very easy to break plastic latches and button, under power power supplies. But they used the fasted CPU's, most ram, and had connections and software preinstalled for media work (which is why the people that bought it made the purchase). The HP was probably the better built of the systems (outside the Home brand) but we sold almost as many of those as the Emachines. So of course a large portion of machines to work on where HP's.

My point being is that being 1 of 20 or 200 or 2000 may give you a false sense of security since you paid so much for it. But the reason you don't hear about problems with the system are the same reasons that apply to all devices including cars. The more it costs the less people who use it. The less people who use it. The less you hear about issues. Also as with anything expensive how its used changes completely there is a direct correlation between cost and treatment of the device. My M17's never leave the house, they certainly don't go in my pockets or bags. I don't leave them in hot cars. So on. So less extreme use cases.

The big thing the Hemo market has over the "cheaper" stuff is that a large portion is hand built or hand assembled. That means one or more eyes on just about every connection. But most of that time that means DOA or not DOA. From there its all about MTBF for the particular board and with a lot of Hemo's using SXJ 350 boards I don't see how anyone could say that it would last any longer than a mass market DNA device or even a Smok or Joyetech chipped device.
Totally disagree. not all products are made equally , there is definitely better made products then others and you simply cannot deny that. Both sides have merit, and like I said there is no doubt that you can buy a 30 dollar mod and have it last a good while but another could buy that same mod at the same time and in 3 months it dies out. You talk about mods being equal as long as the chips are comparable, that's just not the case and goes much further then that. The way there attached, manor in which they are attached, wire used, quality control, it all plays into a quality piece. A place selling a 30 dollar mod is pushing those numbers out and that has a bearing on quality as well. No sense of security here on spending more money on a mod , it's merely something that has worked out from experience and doing homework on what to buy and what not to. Hey then again you (well maybe not you specifically ) can buy a 200 or 300 dollar mod and it could die in a week, I'm sure it's happened, no doubt. All I'm saying is, at least in my experiences and my wife's (she always goes for cheaper stuff) that we have seen a direct correlation in quality between cheaper China made mods and more expensive american, german, etc mods. This is just my opinion and simply wanted to give an option to the OP. I honestly didn't think or want to ruffle or hurt anyone's feelings or start any wars here.

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Totally disagree. not all products are made equally , there is definitely better made products then others and you simply cannot deny that. Both sides have merit, and like I said there is no doubt that you can buy a 30 dollar mod and have it last a good while but another could buy that same mod at the same time and in 3 months it dies out. You talk about mods being equal as long as the chips are comparable, that's just not the case and goes much further then that. The way there attached, manor in which they are attached, wire used, quality control, it all plays into a quality piece. A place selling a 30 dollar mod is pushing those numbers out and that has a bearing on quality as well. No sense of security here on spending more money on a mod , it's merely something that has worked out from experience and doing homework on what to buy and what not to. Hey then again you (well maybe not you specifically ) can buy a 200 or 300 dollar mod and it could die in a week, I'm sure it's happened, no doubt. All I'm saying is, at least in my experiences and my wife's (she always goes for cheaper stuff) that we have seen a direct correlation in quality between cheaper China made mods and more expensive american, german, etc mods. This is just my opinion and simply wanted to give an option to the OP. I honestly didn't think or want to ruffle or hurt anyone's feelings or start any wars here.
But there is a difference in saying "I got "X" mod after some research because I like the way they do things and I think it will pan out to last longer" and "Buy only expensive mods because expensive mods last longer". I also never suggested that all devices are created equal and gave good examples of that. But price itself isn't the solo factor originally suggested. These devices aren't complicated to manufacturer. You have a logic board that is like rocket science to get right but after that it's about designing a good looking shell and input system (button placement), the rest is just basic ground and power lines running to a battery sled and atomizer connector. Really even when we talk about thin cables, it's a sign of a company penny pinching and usually has no impact on the performance of the device (regulated). So assuming a good connection (proper soldering) the major holdup on reliability is in the logic board. This is something that none of the hemo manufacturers actually do themselves.

The problem as you noted is that I or someone else could have a Hemo mod die and it doesn't mean anything because its just a bad device or bad luck and you aren't wrong. But on the other hand a person with a bad lets say Smok H-Priv, didn't get unlucky, he got what was expected with a $50 mod. Now we can turn around and take a show of hands and ask everyone how many H-privs have died. We might get 20 people to say something. If we asked the same of your Hemo (Lets call it Hemo X) we might not get any at all. But wouldn't that be the case not because they don't die, but because it's a hemo X there isn't a large enough sample.

Even if we ignore sample size there is still use case. As I commented before A guy with an Eleaf isn't going to treat his Eleaf any where as nice as the guy with the $1200 Hemo X. In terms of problems who is going to get ...... easier the guy with Eleaf or the guy with the Hemo if they act up. Surprisingly the guy with the Eleaf why. By admitting to themselves that the Hemo X acted up they would reflect on the money they spent on it where as the Eleaf person has no reason to miss represent his experience with the device because he can pick up a different product relatively cheap. Also along the same lines a forum can give these users where there are many of them the opportunity to realize that this might be a bigger issue. If you have a 1 of 20 Hemo and no one is saying anything, people don't want to admit that they managed to kill or break this unique and expensive device when no one else has (outside the obvious this completely fell apart in my hands stories).

You see this in the car markets all the time. Satisfaction levels on brands with numerous issues. Take Mercedes or BMW. The perception and price of the car get a different type of buyer than a chevy. Both actually are middle of the road or lower in repairs per car. But owner satisfaction and repeat buying they have some of the highest numbers. When a Mercedes' stereo goes out, its minor annoyance to have on vehicle this good. But on a chevy cruze the owner would go ballistic. But honestly the Cruze is probably the one that will make it to 200k miles. Or keeping it in the family. One of the best rated cars by owners even above BMW and Merc is Buick. These cars use the same factories, the same workers, and use 80-90% the same parts as their chevy counterparts. But between the market the cars sell to, the perception of the brand itself, and how the owners drive the car and treat the issues they have with it. Nearly the same car will have an astronomically higher rating.

So I am not saying you can't get a well built, nearly indestructible hemo. Or that by and large that Hemo's aren't better than devices a lot of people purchase. But the sample size is so low, the price so high, the information from users so low, the human aspect of users, the changes in use case, and the fact that the one most important part is actually shared with the less expensive devices that a blanket statement that money equals reliability just plainly isn't true. Even if some of the information seems to show that information it's missing one vital aspect and that is Sample size. It prevents the previous statement from being factual even if anecdotal evidence says otherwise. Call it failures per million puffs or something like that. There just wouldn't be enough puffs on one side to hit the million puffs per failure on the other.

Sorry if it seems like you ruffled my feathers, you didn't. It just hits on a point that I see in every market and every niche. It can lead to elitism activity and honestly Vaping is full of that douchebaggery anyways. But I thought it was a nice opportunity to give insight or at least engage on the topic.
 
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I don't follow the newest latest features tbh. I will never need more then 30 watts, so a dna 40 is all I would ever need. I don't use TC , so all that is a waste. Yes if your the type that is still looking for more features and will only use a mod for 6 months and buy another, then maybe buying cheaper trend setting Chinese mods is the way to go, It's just not my cup of tea. Yes one could get lucky buying a cheap mod or any item for that matter and get lucky and have it last for a long time but for the most part, you do get what you pay for, period and there is no denying that in general. I have a contracting business and in the past have bought cheap tools and every time I tried to save a buck, it just didn't work out. In my experience it has always worked out way better to buy quality stuff and at least for me it has always paid off. Same with vape gear , and one other plus is you can always sell a quality item and get back a good portion of the investment.

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I have more than ten cheap Joyetech/Wismec/Eleaf mods, the oldest one more than a year old, and all of them are fully functional. And it's not like I've been gentle with them. My oldest rx200 has taken more than a few tumbles on the stone staircase of my building. Of all the regulated mods I've owned, all under $50 (well, except my Reuleaux DNA200, but that's a Wismec mod as well), only one has even failed (Fasttech replaced it). There's a lot of discussion about evolv replacing the boards in failed mods with their tech, but that's not much help for someone outside the US. The postage alone will probably be considerably more than a mod with a Joyetech board will cost. The "you get what you pay for"-mantra ("mantra" is a very suitable word because it's not rare to find an almost religious devotion to brands) repeated religiously but there's simply not much evidence of the truthfulness of it. Percentagewise expensive mods probably fail as much as cheaper ones (show me proof of that this isn't true). This does not apply to only mods of course, with all merchandise you pay for the brand name rather than for quality. In other areas I'm loyal to a particular brand, and I'm fully aware that I'd get a product of equal quality for a cheaper price. I have no problems with brand loyalty, but don't fool yourself with the "you get what you pay for"-mantra.

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