Another question about batteries! PRO NEEDED :)

[paumit]

Hi again,sorry for several post but im learning bout bateries so i got bunch of those Discount China Wholesale Panasonic CGR18650CG 2200mAh 3.7V Rechargeable Li-ion Battery(1pc) [1534]- US$4.03 - bestvaping.net from laptop baterry and i wanna use them in mechanical mod for average of 0.4 ohm vaping what is clearly unsafe with them, however if i put this thing Sigelei apsaugin - sigelei protective betery microscheme, can it be used on this type of batery (cobalt based as i understand they are) can they be used safely then ?

thanks

 

[tj99959]

Batteries are the wrong place to try to save a buck. There are simply way to many counterfeit batteries out there, so only buy batteries from TRUSTED sites.

Also ICR (cobalt) batteries have to low an amp rating for sub ohm use. You want IMR (Li Mn) batteries.

 

[Thrasher]

the fuse does not raise the limit of the battery and will probably blow every time you press the button. most fuses are rated for around 7 amps maximum. so using it will lower the limit you can go even more.

if you want to run the resistance that low you will be forced to buy a battery designed for higher output.

 

[paumit]

Batteries are the wrong place to try to save a buck. There are simply way to many counterfeit batteries out there, so only buy batteries from TRUSTED sites.

Also ICR (cobalt) batteries have to low an amp rating for sub ohm use. You want IMR (Li Mn) batteries.

well they got same discharge rate as AW imr im using now, as well im not trying to sae buck on baterie just where i live there is not much of choice available imr is sold only by one retailer which is always out of stock, also im not planing to buy those panna cgrs i got them from my old laptops battery : ) as well here in the comments people say that they use them in k100 mech mod FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics kinda interesting i got my main aw for pover vaping but when in drains this cuold work as alternative for atleast couple of hours ? what you think? i cant get sony 30a batery or efest neither aw anymore nor mnke ;/

 

[paumit]

the fuse does not raise the limit of the battery and will probably blow every time you press the button. most fuses are rated for around 7 amps maximum. so using it will lower the limit you can go even more.

if you want to run the resistance that low you will be forced to buy a battery designed for higher output.

What you mean by fuse? So you say i cant put those bateries in mech mod even with protection cap ?

 

[paumit]

2x Sony US18650VTC3 High Power Drain 30A 18C Rechargeable Li-Ion Batteries UK | eBay

What if would get these ?

 

[emus]

Batteries are the wrong place to try to save a buck. There are simply way to many counterfeit batteries out there, so only buy batteries from TRUSTED sites.

Also ICR (cobalt) batteries have to low an amp rating for sub ohm use. You want IMR (Li Mn) batteries.

I just got some ebay Samsung INR18650-20R and am satisfied they are quality. They had just over 0.3v total system voltage drop under 6 amp load. Some counterfeits couldn't pass voltage drop test.

 

[DrillRX]

well they got same discharge rate as AW imr im using now, as well im not trying to sae buck on baterie just where i live there is not much of choice available imr is sold only by one retailer which is always out of stock, also im not planing to buy those panna cgrs i got them from my old laptops battery : ) as well here in the comments people say that they use them in k100 mech mod FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics kinda interesting i got my main aw for pover vaping but when in drains this cuold work as alternative for atleast couple of hours ? what you think? i cant get sony 30a batery or efest neither aw anymore nor mnke ;/

Where are you that you can't get mnke batteries? They're everywhere.

 

[Baditude]

2x Sony US18650VTC3 High Power Drain 30A 18C Rechargeable Li-Ion Batteries UK | eBay

What if would get these ?

If those are authentic, those would work. However, these could be counterfeit. Notice that in the pic the color is a darker green than the authentic Sony US18650VTC3 18650 1600mAh sold by FastTech - $11.76 Sony US18650VTC3 18650 1600mAh 3.7V Rechargeable Li-ion Batteries (2-Pack) 2-pack - 30A discharge at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Do a Google Search for the below batteries, which are either IMR or hybrid batteries which have amp ratings of over 10 amps:

AW IMR
18650 1600mah 24A

MNKE IMR
18650 1500mah ​20A

Orbtronic hybrid
Orbtronic 18650 SX22 (hybrid) 2000mAh 22A

Sanyo
UR18650EX 2000mAh 20A

Samsung hybrid
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

Sony hybrid
us18650vct3 1600mAh 30A
us18650vtc4 2100 mAh 30A

EH IMR
18650 2000 mAh 16A
18650 1500 mAh 22A

Efest IMR
18650 1600mAh 30A

 

[Traver]

well they got same discharge rate as AW imr im using now, as well im not trying to sae buck on baterie just where i live there is not much of choice available imr is sold only by one retailer which is always out of stock, also im not planing to buy those panna cgrs i got them from my old laptops battery : ) as well here in the comments people say that they use them in k100 mech mod FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics kinda interesting i got my main aw for pover vaping but when in drains this cuold work as alternative for atleast couple of hours ? what you think? i cant get sony 30a batery or efest neither aw anymore nor mnke ;/

I thought the discharge rate on these is 2C and AW IMR is 10C

 

[evilfrog]

well they got same discharge rate as AW imr im using now, as well im not trying to sae buck on baterie just where i live there is not much of choice available imr is sold only by one retailer which is always out of stock, also im not planing to buy those panna cgrs i got them from my old laptops battery : ) as well here in the comments people say that they use them in k100 mech mod FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics /

No, the batts you linked to in the OP are not the hybrid CH's with a 10amp limit, but the CGs which I believe max out at 4.3 amps. They aren't really suitable for mods, and certainly not for lower ohm builds.

 

[Baditude]

When choosing and buying batteries for mods, and in particular batteries for sub-ohm YOU MUST pay particular attention to the battery model's identification lettering. The correct battery chemistry and amp specifications may be extremely different.

Using the wrong battery in a mod, in particular with sub-ohm coils, can literally turn a mechanical mod into a pipe bomb.

You may think you are pretty "smart" recovering some Li-ion batteries from a laptop. However, how smart will you feel when those batteries explode in your mechanical mod?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

well they got same discharge rate as AW imr im using now, as well im not trying to sae buck on baterie just where i live there is not much of choice available imr is sold only by one retailer which is always out of stock, also im not planing to buy those panna cgrs i got them from my old laptops battery : ) as well here in the comments people say that they use them in k100 mech mod FastTech - Gadgets and Electronics kinda interesting i got my main aw for pover vaping but when in drains this cuold work as alternative for atleast couple of hours ? what you think? i cant get sony 30a batery or efest neither aw anymore nor mnke ;/

Bingo....many unscrupulous "Vendors" will remove batteries from old discarded laptops, put new ends on them, re wrap them and sell as new. Not only important to know the type of batt we're buying but more importantly the Vendor we're buying from. Counterfeit batts prolly one of the most popular scams right now cuz the profit margins are so high with the availability of used smart phones, laptops, etc being tossed in the garbage.

 

[tj99959]

Bingo....many unscrupulous "Vendors" will remove batteries from old discarded laptops, put new ends on them, re wrap them and sell as new. Not only important to know the type of batt we're buying but more importantly the Vendor we're buying from. Counterfeit batts prolly one of the most popular scams right now cuz the profit margins are so high with the availability of used smart phones, laptops, etc being tossed in the garbage.

Fixed that for ya

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Fixed that for ya

Thanks TJ...drunken rodent is a bad influence on me

 

[AttyPops]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tery-safety-plz-answer-asap.html#post11399482
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-about-batteries-pro-needed.html#post11399760

Are you just going to keep posing until someone (mistakenly) answers "Yes" and then use them?
Get the proper batteries, or up the ohms to a workable range for the battery (use maybe use protected).
You don't have to have sub-ohms for a good vape anyway.
(Reasonably-Pro advice)

 

[paumit]

If those are authentic, those would work. However, these could be counterfeit. Notice that in the pic the color is a darker green than the authentic Sony US18650VTC3 18650 1600mAh sold by FastTech - $11.76 Sony US18650VTC3 18650 1600mAh 3.7V Rechargeable Li-ion Batteries (2-Pack) 2-pack - 30A discharge at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Do a Google Search for the below batteries, which are either IMR or hybrid batteries which have amp ratings of over 10 amps:

AW IMR
18650 1600mah 24A

MNKE IMR
18650 1500mah ​20A

Orbtronic hybrid
Orbtronic 18650 SX22 (hybrid) 2000mAh 22A

Sanyo
UR18650EX 2000mAh 20A

Samsung hybrid
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

Sony hybrid
us18650vct3 1600mAh 30A
us18650vtc4 2100 mAh 30A

EH IMR
18650 2000 mAh 16A
18650 1500 mAh 22A

Efest IMR
18650 1600mAh 30A

Thnks, gonna look for those : ) though about the colour i think it might just be that ebay ones are taken with camera in darker light or diferent lens or what ever since same thing in same light pictures from every camera i own looks kinda different but rly thnks for this list BTW those with 30A is better in some way or it just will hold lower ohm builds?

Some people are so negative ... dissapear in and thanks for all that helped : ) cheers

 

[emus]

Thnks, gonna look for those : ) though about the colour i think it might just be that ebay ones are taken with camera in darker light or diferent lens or what ever since same thing in same light pictures from every camera i own looks kinda different but rly thnks for this list BTW those with 30A is better in some way or it just will hold lower ohm builds?

Some people are so negative ... dissapear in and thanks for all that helped : ) cheers

Samsung "22A" outperformed Sony "10A" in my 6 amp voltage drop test. Both work great down to 0.6 ohms in my experience. can't tell difference via seat of pants vaping.

 

[Baditude]

Thnks, gonna look for those : ) though about the colour i think it might just be that ebay ones are taken with camera in darker light or diferent lens or what ever since same thing in same light pictures from every camera i own looks kinda different but rly thnks for this list BTW those with 30A is better in some way or it just will hold lower ohm builds?

Some people are so negative ...

You might be correct about camera lighting affecting pic quality, but realize that counterfeiting of popular battery brands is very much alive and well in China; and that many of these counterfeited batteries end up for sale on places like Amazon & EBay. It's far better and safer to purchase name-brand batteries from authorized vendors such as RTD Vapor and Orbtronics.

The fact that you have to ask how 30 amp batteries are somehow better than other batteries leads me to believe you've done no research or self-education on batteries and Ohm's law and how they work together for safer vaping. You should know this without having to ask the question.

For your benefit, I'll show you why some batteries are more applicable for sub-ohm than others:

Say you're using an AW 18650 IMR 2000 mAh battery. It has a 10 amp continuous discharge rating. If you are using a 0.4 ohm coil, you'll be pulling 10.5 amps from the battery, which is just over its amp limit. A 0.3 ohm coil will pull 14 amps, way more than it is capable of delivering. Ohm's Law Calculator

Using a battery which has over 10 amp limit you not only are safely within its amp limit, but will have a safe amount of headroom available for any changes in coil resistance.

Now, these higher amp batteries will have a smaller mAh rating, meaning they will not last as long as a higher mAh battery. Using a high amp battery with normal resistance coils is overkill and not their best application for this purpose. You can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to batteries; either higher amps or higher mAh.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Thnks, gonna look for those : ) though about the colour i think it might just be that ebay ones are taken with camera in darker light or diferent lens or what ever since same thing in same light pictures from every camera i own looks kinda different but rly thnks for this list BTW those with 30A is better in some way or it just will hold lower ohm builds?

Some people are so negative ... dissapear in and thanks for all that helped : ) cheers

It's not negativity but merely that we ALL want you to realize if vaping sub ohm you're literally sticking a potential bomb between your lips. Bottom line is we want you to have the most enjoyable vape experience possible rather than the worst possible episode of your life. These batteries were not made with the intention of stressing them out beyond the outer limits of safety.