Another reason why not to buy a clone

[c8h10n4o2x2]

On Saturdays I go and hang out at my local vape shop. A customer came in with a clone Ithaka that he had purchased at another shop and they did not know how to build it. Knowing that I had a genuine Ithaka he asked if I could build it, I charged him $10 for the build. I was able to get a single coil but not a double, was not able to tighten up negative side.

You can see the black screw on the bottom of the housing, its stripped, I was able to correct this with a o-ring. After I put it together it had flooding issues. This thing was utterly horrible and the bad thing is he paid at least 200-250% above what he could have spent from FT.

 

[tmccooljr]

Haha when i have guys ask me to build ithaka clones i politely say i won't. Then have to explain why i will not. Then after wards everyone has a better understanding of quality and most importantly ETHICS. DO NOT BUILD CLONES!!! ETHICS ETHICS ETHICS.

 

[dokebilee]

You charge $10 per build? Do you want to hire me? I will make 100 quality builds a day for your customers lol.

 

[mitergreen]

im not sure whats worse actually , buying a clone or getting charged $10 at a vape shop to do a build

both to me sound lower than a snakes belly

 

[c8h10n4o2x2]

The customer bought it at another shop and that shop did not know how to build it. The customer expressed that he did not have the time or the patients to watch one of the many videos out there on how to build it, so to bring me a clone, and a bad clone of the Ithaka, $10 is a fair price.

dokebilee - I'll show anybody how to build any device that I know for nothing, but asking me to build it for them with out even trying it themselves first...

 

[pt91]

the only shop I have been in had an ithaka clone and I showed them my ithaka. still don't think they understood the difference. it was rubish and they thought it looked the same.

 

[*bibi*]

imagine...

you love the ithaka really badly ... big vape and many pieces...
now you have a protank II and $50...

what would you do (buy) ?

 

[imeothanasis]

I would charge him 100 euros c8 lol
I really think that you did very well for several reasons.

The customer bought it at another shop and that shop did not know how to build it. The customer expressed that he did not have the time or the patients to watch one of the many videos out there on how to build it, so to bring me a clone, and a bad clone of the Ithaka, $10 is a fair price.

dokebilee - I'll show anybody how to build any device that I know for nothing, but asking me to build it for them with out even trying it themselves first...

 

[AdamAnd]

So what your saying is that he stimulated the US economy twice for the same device. The fact they did not try a build themselves shame on them. I think education would have been the way to go maybe a little show and tell. Imeo half of the people that i meet that are vaping and have bought or tried clones at one time but they know you now. They will say wow so that is who designed it first the inventor i say yes and let them inspect my ithaka or iatty or or ody ggts or just gg and they realize the quality is superior. Some are my friends who cant afford the real deal and anything to keep them off the cigs is what is the highest importance to me. Not happy

 

[imeothanasis]

c8 charged this guy because of his behavior adam. I am sure that if the guy didnt know that he bought a clone, then c8 wouldnt charge him. Also c8 wouldnt charge him if he knew that the guy have seen the videos first. But a guy that knows that he bought a clone and also doesnt want to spend a little time on videos, then he had to be charged if you agree.

 

[tmccooljr]

Agree!! 100%

 

[AdamAnd]

c8 charged this guy because of his behavior adam. I am sure that if the guy didnt know that he bought a clone, then c8 wouldnt charge him. Also c8 wouldnt charge him if he knew that the guy have seen the videos first. But a guy that knows that he bought a clone and also doesnt want to spend a little time on videos, then he had to be charged if you agree.

I agree the guy knew he bought a clone (why i do not know could be many reasons) ans yes as i said shame on him for not trying first or watching vids to learn.
Maybe he was a fool i wasnt there i dont know but being positive and explaining the differences between a clone and the real thing would help people realize that if he had bought the real thing he would have everyones support and help here on ecf and a quality product thats backed by its maker and creator who always listens even to crazy ideas like mine lol I always make sure to point out the very many positives of the gg products most start with one clone or another then they they learn and go for the real thing thats human nature to save money who doesnt like getting a deal. I didnt want to start anything but being positive and helping others always get you farther ahead make take a while but its the best way. Have a great day everyone and vape happy. My friend smoked all his life and i coulndtget him to vape and he passed away three days ago and left two small children and his wife i cant say how much i will miss him and how much i hate big tabacco.

 

[imeothanasis]

Adam, c8 is an intelligent guy that knows what he does. Personal contact is always different than an internet one and I am sure that this guy annoyed c8.

It depends on how the conversation went. If the guy said: "I know that I have a clone but I dont care", then c8 (and maybe you too), would be annoyed and maybe wouldnt take the time to convince him that he is wrong.

 

[c8h10n4o2x2]

The customer in question knew he was buying a clone, and if he had watched any of the many videos out there and still did not under stand how to build it, I would have sat down and showed him how to build it and not charged him. I have been to a few build parties in my local area and helped out people wanting to learn, from evod heads to quad coil drippers.

My attitude is if you can not be bothered to learn and you want some one to do it for you, you pay.

 

[*bibi*]

these videos out there....

if you are extremely lucky and you find the most outstanding one, then it might be fine to rebuild the ithaka with some confidence... but lets be honest, most of the vids are crap... you dont see the thing much, the explanations are not optimal and many questions remain open...
so, if there are users out there, that just want a working device with little effort, they might feel quite at loss with something like the ithaka and be very wary to jump into an $200 expense..

also, not every one (generation) is used to check youtube, if they are stuck with a product (design)...

most would expect a "manual" (printed, with pictures and explanations) to come with such a high priced and complex tool, but i think no atomizer comes with one ?
personally, i think something like this could convince those who might afford an authentic equipment, instead of buying a clone... some "visible" difference, that is helpful..
in addition - a website (like ecig-forum suppliers section) - added into the accompanying manual, where there is "online support" given...
that would increase sales imo more than anything else...

not everyone feels "ready" to get on with something complex... many come from the stuff they bought at the supermarket (ego, evods) and would like to try some "high-end-gear"... but it seems(!) just too complicated...

there is no much good (valuable) informatoin on the net, imo... neither about rebuilding coils nor about atomizers (general, functions)...
there are some good information within information pieces, but its tiresome to research, collect them and figure things out...

i dont think, ppl with clones should be "punished" in any way (e.g. by not giving explanations) - or lets say : shouldnt be punished "any further"

 

[dspin]

I would never help anyone with a clone, not even for money, thats me though, anti clone always and boo hoo hoo on people with excuses they cant afford. Cigs are minimum 5.00 a pack, in some other places 10.00

 

[Aal_]

I would never help anyone with a clone, not even for money, thats me though, anti clone always and boo hoo hoo on people with excuses they cant afford. Cigs are minimum 5.00 a pack, in some other places 10.00

It is because people would prefer to have 30 clones for different designs instead of one authentic PV. this is what competition did in the ecig world. They want a taste of everything. Right, wrong, I don't know, but I never blame the buyer for anything. I always blame the guy who did the clone because he is the thief! But that's a discussion for another day.

 

[dspin]

It is because people would prefer to have 30 clones for different designs instead of one authentic PV. this is what competition did in the ecig world. They want a taste of everything. Right, wrong, I don't know, but I never blame the buyer for anything. I always blame the guy who did the clone because he is the thief! But that's a discussion for another day.

I cannot have a discussion regarding buyer, I am anti clone, maker or buyer

 

[Skibadabomski]

I have to hand it to you Imeo..

You have been copied and cloned more than anyone... and yet it does seem that other designs have been cloned so well that it's nearly impossible in some cases to tell the difference. As far as I know the GGTS for example and JGG have never had this issue because the difference in quality was obvious in any photo and the overall design would never look like it was made by Imeo.. in fact most pictures would scream out "FAKE" without a second look.

Even the GG atomizers that have been cloned are so easy to spot. All of them.

I was being hassled by some clone company as you do from time to time and curiously I asked why the GG hasn't been cloned very well.. he replied " can copy design and make it look like GG and perform like GG but can't copy materials because expensive"

That says it all.

 

[mitergreen]

i rekon hes flattering himself , perform like GG with sub standard materials?

doubt it , reminds me of VW with porche spoiler kits on them

just screams ......... to me