Another vaping to quit dipping thread!

[Twan013]

I'll probably get a lot of hate but I assure you I have searched. I'm planning on using vaping to quit the can (dip/chewing tobacco) I have read a lot of people doing it so I know it can be done, but here's my problem. Everywhere I've read, people recommend 24mg nicotine strength. When I vaped several years back, I used 0mg, because I couldn't handle the throat hit from even low doses (I never did smoke cigarettes, can't stand 'em). Even a month or so back, I vaped on a friend's mod, and he SAID it was only 3mg, but I still choked.

What do you folks recommend? I think I would enjoy vaping more with 0mg, but if i want to quit the can, I feel like I'll need high nicotine. But I feel like i won't be able to enjoy high nic because of choking and gagging with every puff.

 

[NU_FTW]

I'll probably get a lot of hate but I assure you I have searched. I'm planning on using vaping to quit the can (dip/chewing tobacco) I have read a lot of people doing it so I know it can be done, but here's my problem. Everywhere I've read, people recommend 24mg nicotine strength. When I vaped several years back, I used 0mg, because I couldn't handle the throat hit from even low doses (I never did smoke cigarettes, can't stand 'em). Even a month or so back, I vaped on a friend's mod, and he SAID it was only 3mg, but I still choked.

What do you folks recommend? I think I would enjoy vaping more with 0mg, but if i want to quit the can, I feel like I'll need high nicotine. But I feel like i won't be able to enjoy high nic because of choking and gagging with every puff.

Having done both, i found it easier to quit dippin and just smoke than the other way around. Maybe vaping will do the same. Now to your issue. I would say in order to minimize the harshness would be easily remedied by a tank that has huge air flow, if you really want to vape and not gag not having dense clouds in a short amount of time would be a start instead you can take longer pulls and get the same amount but without the harshness. My current tank is good for that but it is an advanced setup RTA (Griffin 25). Another thing is your throat/lungs get used to it so if you manage to push through the nic it will get used to it but more air flow creating less dense vape would definitely get you going with nic and less harshness.

EDIT: Also lowring Nic helps. If you inhale more vape you dont need the nic to be so high. I vape on 3 have for the past couple years although tomorrows cooking time i am lowering to 1 since my vg comes in tomorrow. but the nic is also a factor in harshness so is high % pg. I personally vape 80/20 VG/PG

 

[celticluvr]

Another thing you could do is get a flavor you like then buy it in 3 and 0 mg and mix it equally so you would only get 1.5mg nic. That is if you are getting a DL (Direct to Lung) setup.

 

[Twan013]

I would say in order to minimize the harshness would be easily remedied by a tank that has huge air flow, if you really want to vape and not gag not having dense clouds in a short amount of time would be a start instead you can take longer pulls and get the same amount but without the harshness.

Holy run on sentences Batman!. Are you suggesting opening up the tank wide open and taking short or long hits?

If I understand correctly, the nic in vaping isn't really absorbed through the lungs, but through the mouth/nasal cavity(if you exhale through the nose); is this correct? if so, maybe I can just mouth inhale to get my fix, and practice heavy hitting (direct to lung) when no one's around..

Another thing you could do is get a flavor you like then buy it in 3 and 0 mg and mix it equally so you would only get 1.5mg nic. That is if you are getting a DL (Direct to Lung) setup.

Yeah, but would 3mg be enough to keep me from seeking nicotine from the dip without having to chain vape?

 

[r77r7r]

The old dipping and snus threads are probably in the archives now, but might be worth a read.

 

[NU_FTW]

Holy run on sentences Batman!. Are you suggesting opening up the tank wide open and taking short or long hits?

If I understand correctly, the nic in vaping isn't really absorbed through the lungs, but through the mouth/nasal cavity(if you exhale through the nose); is this correct? if so, maybe I can just mouth inhale to get my fix, and practice heavy hitting (direct to lung) when no one's around..



Yeah, but would 3mg be enough to keep me from seeking nicotine from the dip without having to chain vape?

Sorry botu that my kids like to distract me. Um what i am saying is if you open up air flow more til you find your sweet spot of not burning it will help. I personally take huge DL hits with my airflow about half way open which is still quite a bit on the Griffin 25. all the way open it is less dense and so doesnt taste as strong.

Lungs Mouth/nose last i saw was theory nothing scientific was done to prove one or the other. I suppose if you held it in your mouth like a cigar giving extra time to be absorbed may work. The mg of nic you use is about how frequent you vape and volume you vape. I go through easily 15ml a day likely 20 or more so 3 is more than enough to keep me happy. Generally people start out higher nic when they first drop smoking, i started at 12 and was a 1.5-2 PAD smoker... i was also driven to quit it was not easy but the better my mod/atty/tank got the easier it became I couldnt go back to a pen/ego setup and be happy i could live though.

Being a ex smoker i enjoy the sensation in my lungs, or i guess i expect it out of habit?

I have been interrupted about 17 times by my children writing this so hopefully it makes sense ill proof read after i hit post reply

 

[Robino1]

I think your lungs are just not used to having anything other than air in them. You can always just hold the vape in your mouth and exhale through your nose.

I don't believe the strength of the nic is causing you to choke. It is the fact that something that you are just not used to is going into your airways. You probably would choke on 0mg.

As a dipper, you never inhaled smoke.

There is a section that is for other alternatives to smoking: Smokeless tobacco

Snus may be an alternative for you instead of vaping. Check out that section.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Twan013 - I smoked 1 - 1 1/2 PAD for 42+ years. Had my absolute last smoke in January 2014. I inhaled when I smoked, but it was mouth to lung, not direct to lung.

When I vape...the furthest any of my vapor goes, is about 1/2 way down the throat...then back out through my mouth and/or nose. Nic in eliquid IS absorbed more readily in the cheek linings and nasal passages, than in the lungs. It has to do with the molecule size difference when vaping, compared to smoking. I've vaped that way since day 1 of vaping, and have no problem at all getting my "nic fix". Highest I ever vaped even when starting...was 2 little 5mL sample-sized bottles with 11mg nic. Since then it's only been 6mg at the highest.

People I've helped to transition from smoking to vaping (11 as of today) have had the greatest success so far, starting with something simple, like a double Evod kit, that comes with 2.2ohm coils. The vapor using those is less and it's alittle cooler, too. Fewer have any problems with coughing then, than they do with lower resistance coils. That's just what I've personally noticed firsthand with them and what they've told me. May not be the same for everyone though.

 

[NU_FTW]

@Twan013 - I smoked 1 - 1 1/2 PAD for 42+ years. Had my absolute last smoke in January 2014. I inhaled when I smoked, but it was mouth to lung, not direct to lung.

When I vape...the furthest any of my vapor goes, is about 1/2 way down the throat...then back out through my mouth and/or nose. Nic in eliquid IS absorbed more readily in the cheek linings and nasal passages, than in the lungs. It has to do with the molecule size difference when vaping, compared to smoking. I've vaped that way since day 1 of vaping, and have no problem at all getting my "nic fix". Highest I ever vaped even when starting...was 2 little 5mL sample-sized bottles with 11mg nic. Since then it's only been 6mg at the highest.

People I've helped to transition from smoking to vaping (11 as of today) have had the greatest success so far, starting with something simple, like a double Evod kit, that comes with 2.2ohm coils. The vapor using those is less and it's alittle cooler, too. Fewer have any problems with coughing then, than they do with lower resistance coils. That's just what I've personally noticed firsthand with them and what they've told me. May not be the same for everyone though.

Would like to point out you are claiming these to be facts when they are theory, also said theory does not state anything about molecule size rather size of vapor droplets being 10x bigger than smoke particulate. Furthermore, the theory also suggests that lungs/mouth/nasal passages absorb the nicotine equally. Just saying.

Technically you could just drop juice on your skin and your skin would absorb the nicotine into your blood stream.

 

[JCinFLA]

@NU_FTW - Not going to get in a so-called "..... match" with you! You believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe info based on scientific studies. Correcting my use of the words "molecule size" instead of "size of vapor droplets", only shows you're nit-picking. I won't engage in that. Again...believe what you will, that's your right.

 

[NU_FTW]

@NU_FTW - Not going to get in a so-called "..... match" with you! You believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe info based on scientific studies. Correcting my use of the words "molecule size" instead of "size of vapor droplets", only shows you're nit-picking. I won't engage in that. Again...believe what you will, that's your right.

Can you link me to the source of these studies? last i checked no scientific studies have been performed with regard to how/where nicotine from VAPING is absorbed. I am not nit picking it is a huge difference where a molecule is much much much smaller than a vapor droplet it is a huge difference and you are only spreading ignorance. If you have read "studies" i would be over joyed to read them please provide links to these.

 

[Twan013]

Technically you could just drop juice on your skin and your skin would absorb the nicotine into your blood stream.

Where's the fun in that?!

 

[NU_FTW]

Where's the fun in that?!

LoL well, that is why i vape good sir.

 

[Twan013]

I think your lungs are just not used to having anything other than air in them. You can always just hold the vape in your mouth and exhale through your nose.

I don't believe the strength of the nic is causing you to choke. It is the fact that something that you are just not used to is going into your airways. You probably would choke on 0mg.

As a dipper, you never inhaled smoke.

There is a section that is for other alternatives to smoking: Smokeless tobacco

Snus may be an alternative for you instead of vaping. Check out that section.

I would say good call, but when I vaped before, (0 nic, just doing it because it looked cool and I had money to burn) the only time I choked was with a high nic juice or when I got a dry burn. I didn't use any high tech mods, just a standard issue 18650 battery and a low resistance 510 atty.

 

[SteveS45]

Could be that your friend had a high PG e-Liquid @Twan013 but my question is if you want to quit dipping why try using vaping which is a for lack a better way of saying a placebo for smoking. Maybe Gum or lozenges or this spray they have instead. Why put anything in your virgin lungs at all?

 

[SteveS45]

If I never smoked I can safely say I would NOT be vaping and I did try chew years ago but was not the most pleasurable thing I have ever done.

 

[Twan013]

Yeah, it's strange. I just like vaping. Can't really explain it. The only reason I'm wanting to quit dipping is because I'm tired of my gums being eaten away and I'm really not to keen on losing my teeth.

Anyway, back to vaping. Maybe it's not the intended purpose ORIGINALLY, but I look at it as a sort of hobby. Of course there's the aspect of collecting mods, making custom mods, coils, DIY juice, etc. But to me, even the act of vaping itself can be enjoyed as a hobby.

 

[mcclintock]

Swedish snus is considered by many to be safer than vaping, but we did have a guy on here that sounded like he used it 24 hours a day, which probably isn't too great.

I started with 12 mg and low power, 24 is still intense to me. I really think I could have gone lower, pure nicotine (as opposed to whole tobacco) doesn't really agree with me and took a long time to transition. However, vaping had enough of a draw to me that I knew I wasn't going back even when moving too slowly forward to tell.

 

[Twan013]

If you consider the general brand of snus authentic Swedish, then I've tried it. I tried the portions (pouches) in my upper lip, as is the "proper" way. Way too much sensation in the nasal cavity and made me feel weird. Not really nicotine high/drunk, just weird. So I started using them as regular dip (lower lip and cheek), took too many to get the mouth feel enjoyment, so the can didn't last long at all. I've tried no nic, tobacco free herbal dip that is not too bad, and when I use it I don't crave nicotine, but I hate the cleanup afterward, since they add corn silk and other stringy material.

 

[numsquat]

As a ex-"dipper", 35+ years skoal>copenhagen>grizzley fine cut with various loose leaf also along the way, I did quit. This is what worked for me, your mileage may differ.

1) Started vaping with 24mg & 0mg of the same juice (an apple tobacco), started at 24mg but started cutting with the 0mg after about a week because of the harsh throat hit. Also changed how I vaped, short quick vapes more often versus the longer drags like a smoker. Tried to adjust the nicotine intake to more match dipping than smoking. I have been able to drop my nicotine down to the 3-6mg range over time.

2) Used Smokey Mountain herbal chew to replace the lip feel. Ordered the sample pack to check out different flavors, picked 3 flavors I liked and that worked well with the vaper flavors I like the most. Ended up ordering 25 cans total and didn't use them all, still have a few. Went through the cans pretty fast at first but the lip feel "need" went down quickly, faster than the nicotine need.

Been off the dip for almost 2 years this January. So it can work. Just have to try different things to see what works for you.