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Anti-THR Lies: Ecig proponents need to learn lessons from other activists

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  1. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    No, but this is important in the issue of passive smoking, where non-smokers' exposure to HPV is not very dissimilar to smokers' exposure and is presumably larger than non-passive smoke exposed never smokers, for socioeconomic reasons.
     
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  2. AndriaD

    AndriaD Reviewer / Blogger Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2014
    LawrencevilleGA
    ????

    I thought MS was a genetic faux pas?

    Andria
     
  3. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    Genes are only part of the story in MS - as one study says, "the mechanism through which HLA genes influence the risk of MS may, at least in part, involve the immune control of EBV infection."

    Also, I meant to write "HPV and cervical cancer" up there (now corrected). Sorry, I just woke up.
     
  4. AndriaD

    AndriaD Reviewer / Blogger Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2014
    LawrencevilleGA
    Ok... I know what HPV is... but EBV is a new one on me... What is it? I know that viruses can do awful things to genes, so I suppose it stands to reason that a "genetic" condition could have an interface with a virus.

    Andria
     
  5. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    It's best known as the cause of infectious mononucleosis (mono).
    Epstein–Barr virus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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  6. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    Virus in cattle linked to breast cancer in women - The Times of India

     
  7. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    It could use a few studies that confirm this, otherwise it's just one. Also, there's a lot more information in the actual study than in the mass media.
    PLOS ONE: Exposure to Bovine Leukemia Virus Is Associated with Breast Cancer: A Case-Control Study

    "A recent study of the potential of next generation sequencing (massively parallel sequencing) to identify new viral agents of cancer resulted in data that argued against a viral etiology of human breast cancer based on analysis of transcriptome data [47]. However, since transcriptome data rests upon mRNA transcription, BLV was likely not detected because it is so latent in vivo that any mRNA produced would probably be below a detectable level. In previous studies of BLV-infected lymphocytes circulating in the blood of infected cattle with persistent lymphocytosis (a premalignant state), mRNA transcription was detected in only 1 in 50,000 infected cells [48]."

    And:
    "One potential challenge confronting the elucidation of BLV’s route of transmission to humans is the long agricultural association of humans with cattle, which began over 2,000 years ago, while milk pasteurization in western countries was not standard practice until around 1925 [58]. This would have allowed ample time for BLV to enter the human population and become established, yet still be reentering the human population under certain circumstances. The current reservoir for transmission to humans could, therefore, be cattle, humans, or both."
     
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  8. caramel

    caramel Vaping Master

    Dec 23, 2014
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  9. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    Yes, the Cancer Society knows about viruses and cancer. But that doesn't mean their studies have been properly done to prevent confounding. They cynically exploit it instead.

    William C. Phelps, PhD, seems to have been working with papillomaviruses since 1983. He worked with big names like Peter Howley and Karl Münger at the Laboratory of Tumor Virus Biology, National Cancer Institute, Bethesda, MD. (And, did you know that Howley was then on the Scientific Advisory Board of the Council for Tobacco Research?)
    Phelps WC - PubMed - NCBI

    And then he was with Big Pharma, first Burroughs Wellcome Co. and then as head of the department of Virology for GlaxoSmithKline.
    William C. Phelps, PhD
     
  10. AndriaD

    AndriaD Reviewer / Blogger Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2014
    LawrencevilleGA
    There really needs to be laws against all that incestuosity between gov't, education/research, and corporate interests. It's not in AMERICA'S interest at all!!!

    Andria
     
  11. caramel

    caramel Vaping Master

    Dec 23, 2014
    Depends on how you define America... :p
     
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  12. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    Are you referring to William C. Phelps? He's the relatively good one of that lot at the Cancer Society. The rest believe in blaming smoking and lifestyle for diseases, but not infections (except for non-smoking health cultists who get sick). And what's your plan - that if someone gets a job in industry, they're forever banned from getting a job at the National Cancer Institute or at a university, and vice versa? It just goes to prove how worthless it is to rant about "incestuosity" as if it's automatically a bad thing.
     
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