Not sure whether to file this under "food for thought" or "prepare for the worst." So, just, FYI:
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ANTZ and Criminal Malfeasance
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He was doing so well until the last 3 paragraphs, no need for anyone to tar him with the conspiracy brush, he's wallowing in it.
Until then he had a point, however their is the concept of the greater good. Governments are perfectly happy to act in a Machiavellian way and do a wrong to achieve a right. Most people are, if the truth be told. I don't think you can claim malfeasance if the deceit is for a greater good. Otherwise all the warning signs that have DANGER emblasioned on them should be changed to slight risk, moderate risk and probably OK as long as your carefully. They don't and that's because alerting people to the threat is more important than telling the truth or passing on facts.
I think if we were to challenge the excesses of tobacco control it would be on the grounds of guilty knowledge, the point at which a party is fully aware of the damage that their 'product' could cause and continues to offer the same product without amending it to the new knowledge.
tobacco control can't claim not knowing if ecigs are safer anymore and continuing to sell this misinformation is causing damage without any evidence of a greater good. i.e. reducing the health effects of inhaled tobacco smoke. Remember when that was the whole point of TC? Before mission creep and ideology took over!
Until then he had a point, however their is the concept of the greater good. Governments are perfectly happy to act in a Machiavellian way and do a wrong to achieve a right. Most people are, if the truth be told. I don't think you can claim malfeasance if the deceit is for a greater good. Otherwise all the warning signs that have DANGER emblasioned on them should be changed to slight risk, moderate risk and probably OK as long as your carefully. They don't and that's because alerting people to the threat is more important than telling the truth or passing on facts.
I think if we were to challenge the excesses of tobacco control it would be on the grounds of guilty knowledge, the point at which a party is fully aware of the damage that their 'product' could cause and continues to offer the same product without amending it to the new knowledge.
tobacco control can't claim not knowing if ecigs are safer anymore and continuing to sell this misinformation is causing damage without any evidence of a greater good. i.e. reducing the health effects of inhaled tobacco smoke. Remember when that was the whole point of TC? Before mission creep and ideology took over!
The Bolton Smokers Club blog has posted a comment on our comments to this thread. Evidently he wished to comment here and was prevented by the new-member-5-post rule and possibly technical glitches as well.
The Mail on Line Article::Trying to Communicate with Vapers | Bolton Smokers Club
As I said in my comment to him, I hope he will persevere and join us. My
ETA: His comments on this are below comments on the Daily Mail article. Scroll down.
The Mail on Line Article::Trying to Communicate with Vapers | Bolton Smokers Club
As I said in my comment to him, I hope he will persevere and join us. My
ETA: His comments on this are below comments on the Daily Mail article. Scroll down.
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The comments in the article posted are thought provoking too! I do hope those with the knowledge for doing such things, are indeed prepping. I've never understood why it's been allowed to happen in the first place. Maybe we're not the only ones who need to raise our focus levels. (Nic mg)
I found this thread to be very thought provoking, as I have been trying to figure out how to legally come after these death-mongers.
I have reviewed the thoughts from this thread with my wife, who passed the bar but is not a practicing lawyer, and she said...
--Malfeasance is not a crime, the actual criminal act is the crime, and that crime is a form of malfeasance
--Lying or giving false information is not generally a crime under most circumstances
This does not mean she knows what she is talking about though.
I'd love to see this discussion evolve.
Mainly because I'd love to see Stanton Glantz imprisoned for life for what he has done.
I have reviewed the thoughts from this thread with my wife, who passed the bar but is not a practicing lawyer, and she said...
--Malfeasance is not a crime, the actual criminal act is the crime, and that crime is a form of malfeasance
--Lying or giving false information is not generally a crime under most circumstances
This does not mean she knows what she is talking about though.
I'd love to see this discussion evolve.
Mainly because I'd love to see Stanton Glantz imprisoned for life for what he has done.
I found this thread to be very thought provoking, as I have been trying to figure out how to legally come after these death-mongers.
I have reviewed the thoughts from this thread with my wife, who passed the bar but is not a practicing lawyer, and she said...
--Malfeasance is not a crime, the actual criminal act is the crime, and that crime is a form of malfeasance
--Lying or giving false information is not generally a crime under most circumstances
This does not mean she knows what she is talking about though.
I'd love to see this discussion evolve.
Mainly because I'd love to see Stanton Glantz imprisoned for life for what he has done.
Oh I *so* agree with you about prison for certain egregious ANTZ fanatics!
Remember that the Bolton blog is UK, so differences in US and UK law must be considered. (I'm sure we don't want Mrs. DC2 to read your comment on her legal prowess....
) I would hope that some clever US attorneys could come up with something to get them into court as defendants (if indeed it should come to that... which we hope it won't... except I really would dearly love to see a certain mechanical engineer in prison orange, assigned to the smoking section....).
I heard someone say, on a video, that the Trans Pacific is geared for big Pharma to become the leader of corps. Or something to that effect. With eCigs eating into their profits, WHO promoting their products, well well well ...
What a tangled web we weave, ...
What a tangled web we weave, ...
Oh I *so* agree with you about prison for certain egregious ANTZ fanatics!
Remember that the Bolton blog is UK, so differences in US and UK law must be considered. (I'm sure we don't want Mrs. DC2 to read your comment on her legal prowess....
I would hope that some clever US attorneys could come up with something to get them into court as defendants (if indeed it should come to that... which we hope it won't... except I really would dearly love to see a certain mechanical engineer in prison orange, assigned to the smoking section....).
It ghit me reading this thread and listening to the news tonight. Glantz is free to spread lies in the name of science and it's not an issue for our government. Snowden releases truth about the undermining of the basic rights of each American and all the government can think of is putting him on trial.. You have to question what is actually going on.
I've been reading this thread and thinking that maybe we're looking at the wrong end of this problem. GSK is stopping all payments to Doctors for their lectures to other Doctors about which drugs to use.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/business/glaxo-says-it-will-stop-paying-doctors-to-promote-drugs.html?_r=0
They may be getting the message after the 3 billion dollar fine and now the Chinese going after them for bribery.
The money quote and what has me thinking that this may be a weak point was this.
Just looks like most cockroaches they can't stand the light.
It's a follow the money game to find out who is paying for all the preordained results "research" grants that seem to be coming around like Prues reading the posts on here and writing a $100,000 paper on it.
Just a thought on maybe a different avenue we could pursue and try to connect some dots.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/business/glaxo-says-it-will-stop-paying-doctors-to-promote-drugs.html?_r=0
They may be getting the message after the 3 billion dollar fine and now the Chinese going after them for bribery.
The money quote and what has me thinking that this may be a weak point was this.
It refers to all drug companies having to list all payments of this sort on a searchable government database.
Just looks like most cockroaches they can't stand the light.
It's a follow the money game to find out who is paying for all the preordained results "research" grants that seem to be coming around like Prues reading the posts on here and writing a $100,000 paper on it.
Just a thought on maybe a different avenue we could pursue and try to connect some dots.
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