ANTZ in desperation mode over "grandfather" date in appropriations bill

[DCBD]

I guess if they wrap all of the junk science, lies and fear mongering with lots of logos and "official looking" association names, it must get the attention of someone in the HR. This letter shows just how desperate ANTZ is getting.

 

[AndriaD]

So all those organizations are going on-record as saying they don't give a rat's patootie about smokers, let them die. I sincerely hope we have at least a few lawmakers capable of seeing that.

Andria

 

[Jman8]

From the letter of desperation:

By changing the so-called “grandfather date” for these products, Section 747 would exempt them from an important product review requirement

Thank God!!

 

[Jman8]

Also:

the e-cigarette market has exploded and now includes more than 7,000 flavors. As a result, youth use of e-cigarettes tripled from 2013 to 2014 (increasing from 4.5 percent to 13.4 percent among high school student) and now exceeds youth use of regular cigarettes.

Said like this all bad. I think any sane person would call this a very good thing.

Btw, 7000 flavors is not even remotely close to accurate, but it's not like facts are what they are interested in.

 

[DCBD]

Also:

Said like this all bad. I think any sane person would call this a very good thing.

Btw, 7000 flavors is not even remotely close to accurate, but it's not like facts are what they are interested in.

There are practically (maybe no) truths in this letter. The youth figure is an outright lie. The study they did asked "have you ever tried an e-cigarette". If they said yes, they were counted as a "user". The truth is >95% of full time vapers are adults that are ex-smokers. This is as bad as the lie that youth are attracted to fruit/candy flavors, it's simply not true. Every "fact" in this letter is easily debunked. What's really odd is that the "special interest" non-profit organizations listed would only matter if they are funding the campaigns of the people they're writing to. Which, if I understand basic non-profit law, none of them are allowed to do.

 

[skoony]

when i was still smoking the reason i smoked those little cigars is because they were $1.50
a pack and regular cigarettes were $5.00 a pack for the cheap ones. i couldn't always
afford regular cigarettes. i smoked the menthol because just as it was when there
were flavored cigarettes the flavored cigars taste awful.incredibly awful.
regards
mike

 

[KattMamma]

The letter should have been signed like this :

Sincerely,
Organizations Losing Money Because of vaping

 

[EBates]

Gee the letter head looks like a who's who of orgs that need their Non-profit status checked and their BG funding cut off.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

I would be willing to bet that if I had time to check the funding of the organizations in the header of that letter that we would find BP at or near the top of their donor list. I don't think BG gives them much support as this looks like BP hiding behind their house organs and well paid co-conspirators.

 

[DC2]

Well, at least it contains a concise list of all the organizations on the take.
That's about the only good thing I see here.

 

[AndriaD]

Well, at least it contains a concise list of all the organizations on the take.
That's about the only good thing I see here.

And since they clearly don't want anyone to use vaping stuff that actually works, it follows quite naturally that they just don't give a rip about smokers or even smokers that want to quit -- the more smokers that die, the more money they get, to study ways to get smokers to quit!

All that, instead of just accepting that vaping helps smokers quit!

What greedy, venal, lying IDIOTS.

Andria

 

[Jman8]

Also from the piece:

Congress should not now rush in to protect the industry from a full assessment of the public health impact of the new tobacco products companies have chosen to introduce to the market in recent years.

FDA has already addressed the industry’s main concern, which was that e-cigarettes and cigars currently on the market would have to be pulled while FDA is conducting its review.

The industry's real concern is the cost per market review. If it were a few hundred dollars for product review, thus keeping small businesses clearly in the game, then we'd be able to talk about "full assessment of the public health impact" as if we aren't playing some political game, knowing full well it will kill a portion of the industry. As the FDA deeming actually outright states.

Thus, not plausible to take the letter as being intellectually honest when this lack of understanding for the real concern is not even brought up or acknowledged.

And therefore Congress should rush in to protect the industry.
From a full assault of the public health advocates who are blatantly misusing their position to arguably protect BT, and without a doubt to protect BP.

 

[nicnik]

And therefore Congress should rush in to protect the industry.
From a full assault of the public health advocates who are blatantly misusing their position to arguably protect BT, and without a doubt to protect BP.

And TC.

 

[Marc411]

This is key

One of the major purposes of the TCA was to end the ability of the tobacco companies to introduce new, addictive products without any review or oversight.

The majority of the items are not and we're not introduced by the tobacco industry. The the tobacco industry just jumped on after they saw money. Until our vamping industry started to boom they were happy peddling cancer sticks.

 

[philoshop]

Their beef, in short, is with the tobacco industry. Fine. Shut the tobacco industry off from any participation in the vaping industry. Problem solved.

 

[AndriaD]

Their beef, in short, is with the tobacco industry. Fine. Shut the tobacco industry off from any participation in the vaping industry. Problem solved.

They'll just create 1000s of shell corporations as "beards". That's how big business works, right?

My husband was annoyed last night to find zero Bluebell ice cream at either Kroger or Ingles; he said "that listeria outbreak must have put them out of business." And yeah, it probably did put "Bluebell" out of business. But I betcha whoever owned it is is still making ice cream, for a *new* company... which they created when Bluebell had their big problem.

Andria

 

[azb8496]

I made it through 2 sentences... I think that's a record for me with lies like this...

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Ya know, if they would just put HALF the money and energy into finally finding out IF e-cigs are a hazard to our health, we could make all these argument possibly moot in the first place. I think we'll likely find that they are no more of a hazard than a cup of coffee. Do I want my 12 year old drinking coffee? Well, not really, but a bowl of Capn' Crunch is probably worse for them than that.

 

[azb8496]

Ya know, if they would just put HALF the money and energy into finally finding out IF e-cigs are a hazard to our health, we could make all these argument possibly moot in the first place. I think we'll likely find that they are no more of a hazard than a cup of coffee. Do I want my 12 year old drinking coffee? Well, not really, but a bowl of Capn' Crunch is probably worse for them than that.

I concur.

 

[Jman8]

Ya know, if they would just put HALF the money and energy into finally finding out IF e-cigs are a hazard to our health, we could make all these argument possibly moot in the first place. I think we'll likely find that they are no more of a hazard than a cup of coffee. Do I want my 12 year old drinking coffee? Well, not really, but a bowl of Capn' Crunch is probably worse for them than that.

I disagree. And pretty much based only on the "they" part. They would spin millions of (our) dollars for research into inflated lies, likely concluding that it is as bad as smoking. Heck, they can't even present the smoking data accurately. What makes a vaper actually think more research by anti types is going to magically benefit the recreational vaper's cause?