Any mass media questioning FDA e-cig claims ?

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A great fair and balanced report, with the most knowledgeable person in the WORLD on e-smoking, Dr. Murray Laugesen, talking on-camera. Yes, it's regrettable that more Americans won't see this comparison of risk/benefit. But, if a major TV producer, like one for "60 Minutes", decided to do an in-depth piece today, it would take weeks or months to get it done and on the air. We might yet see such an investigation. Question: Will it come too late to stave off an FDA ban?

This is the type of intelligent commentary that citizens need to make informed decisions.

PS: ECA PICK THIS UP AND GET IT OUT THERE WHERE IT CAN GET SOME ATTENTION. THIS IS WHAT AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW.
 
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Hmmm. I do not find the FDA funny. I do not find their announcement funny. I do not find making light of our present situation funny. This is no time for jokes. Just me, maybe, but this is a time to knuckle down for a fact fight. We would do it best with circulation of videos like the one with Dr. Laugesen. :mad:
 

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This article was fairly balanced, Electronic cigarettes have unsafe ingredients, FDA tests find - Cleveland.com

Here is the email I sent to the reporter.
Thank you for a balanced view of the FDA announcement about electronic cigarettes. I am a user of these products, having gone from a 40 year pack a day cigarette habit to less than five cigarettes a day using e cigarettes. Although no product is 100% safe, the electronic cigarette is certainly safer than Marlboros.

I marvel at the choice of language chosen by anti-smokers to describe the chemicals that make up both regular cigarettes and now the e cigarette. The language is carefully chosen to invoke terror and is, in many cases, inappropriate. To describe cigarettes, they always mention arsenic as an ingredient, yet arsenic is not a component limited to cigarettes. It is a component of our very water supply at 8 times the permissable level. It is also present in the soil itself. Yet that word invokes the image of Arsenic and Old Lace....very clever marketing from the anti-smokers. Now, we see the term anti freeze to describe what goes into electronic cigarettes. Cleverly, the headline suggests that the makers of electronic cigarettes go to an auto parts store and secretly dump bottles of anti freeze into the cartridges of electronic cigarettes. Nothing could be further from the truth. Note also that that one chemical compound was found in trace amounts only in 1 of 19 cartridges tested.

Dr. Michael Siegel has written extensively about this insanity to ban electronic cigarettes without justification. I urge you to read his conclusions about the chemical makeup of electronic cigarettes, and to investigate further. You can read about Dr. Siegel, a former member of the anti-smoking cartel, who was expelled from the group for questioning certain conclusions they had reached. His blog and those analyses are at The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

Thousands of smokers, like myself, have switched to electronic cigarettes as an alternative to smoking Marlboros. Most of us will return to regular cigarettes should the e cig be banned. Most would agree that even though there may be risks for users of the e cig, those risks are thousands of times less than smoking tobacco. It is interesting to note that Siegel's column today discusses a study of Nicorette gum and the carcinogens it contains: carcinogens at a higher level than cigarettes in the saliva of users. The FDA encourages the use of Nicorette gum as it villifies the electronic cigarette. Something is very suspicious in the FDA warning and its choice of headline language. Please consider investigating this further and reporting your results. There are hundreds of thousands of electronic cigarette users waiting for someone like you to report the truth. Thank you.
 

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Hmmm. I do not find the FDA funny. I do not find their announcement funny. I do not find making light of our present situation funny. This is no time for jokes. Just me, maybe, but this is a time to knuckle down for a fact fight. We would do it best with circulation of videos like the one with Dr. Laugesen. :mad:

I was only half-kidding, and I tend to find life funny. Makes living it much easier. By all means, lets go after the FDA with everything we got. Lets figure out what we got first.
 

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All good. The article wasn't bad at all, as you say. But here's the quote of the day, maybe for a poster:

"Our product is made in the [United States,] not that Chinese garbage that I guarantee was what they analyzed, and I have been very vocal about this from the get-go with the FDA," Cangemi wrote.
 

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We should all e-mail Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, they are the only people on television that seem to report the truth.

Your kidding right ?
Sorry Bill Maher and Jon Stewart do not report the truth !!!

Glen Beck does !

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TB I'm emailing a Local reporter here in dallas he did a report in saturdays Star-Telegram paper it was not to bad of a piece. Hoping he will take this info and do a follow up
 

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Glen Beck does !

I kinda liked Glenn Beck until this:

YouTube - Beck "Lose" His "Mind;" Screams At Caller: "Get Off My Phone You Little Pinhead!"

It's like turbocharged howard dean. Just gave me an uneasy feeling...

To me, the FDA's move was anti-American because it's anti-market. It's total communist, nanny-state ridiculousness. How dare they mess up our free market with their improperly formatted and biased data. How dare they claim to be a scientific agency. The people we should get to plead our case should hammer on those aspects of the issues at hand. The fact that this action by the FDA is blatantly communist in nature, blatantly anti-market, and anti-competative given that more dangerous smoking replacement products are already on the market and were approved by the FDA.

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God, some Newt would own.

We need this new FDA painted as what they are, and run out of town on a rail.
 

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Your kidding right ?
Sorry Bill Maher and Jon Stewart do not report the truth !!!
Glen Beck does !
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TB I'm emailing a Local reporter here in dallas he did a report in saturdays Star-Telegram paper it was not to bad of a piece. Hoping he will take this info and do a follow up

I don't think we have to insist on the truth. At this point if the mass media coverage at least questions what FDA is doing would be great. The public perceives FDA as independent no-political-agenda authority. The public needs to start hearing that there at least some mass media names that don't take what FDA writes to be the gospel. Hearing this type of doubt from multiple sources will open up the door to different views for many people.

Sorry, I don't like this type of manipulation myself, but propaganda has been known to work not only for evil but also for good.

We should try to reach them all: Maher, Stewart, Beck, etc. But this can be best done by someone with access. Anybody knows producers or is connected to someone working with media people and shows?
 

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I don't think we have to insist on the truth. At this point if the mass media coverage at least questions what FDA is doing would be great. The public perceives FDA as independent no-political-agenda authority. The public needs to start hearing that there at least some mass media names that don't take what FDA writes to be the gospel. Hearing this type of doubt from multiple sources will open up the door to different views for many people.

Sorry, I don't like this type of manipulation myself, but propaganda has been known to work not only for evil but also for good.

We should try to reach them all: Maher, Stewart, Beck, etc. But this can be best done by someone with access. Anybody knows producers or is connected to someone working with media people and shows?


Exactly. The story about e-cigs is important to us, but it's just part of the larger problem. The real problem is how the FDA does things. It's ludicrous to give such a grotesquely incompetent agency so much power. That's the real story. That's what will get air time. The lengthy and growing list of negligent FDA stupidity is what we need to be compiling and mailing to law makers. That's where the pressure needs applied. Do you want to fight this fight again for the next thing?
 

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@ Sherid

I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to borrow your well-written statement, tailor them to my local areas, and start sending letters to every local news outlet I can drum up an address for.

We need to be blanketing the media - we need to get the truth out there to the American public.

Its the court of public opinion which will be our ultimate battleground, not any court of law.....that's where we need to work it.
 

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@ Sherid

I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to borrow your well-written statement, tailor them to my local areas, and start sending letters to every local news outlet I can drum up an address for.

We need to be blanketing the media - we need to get the truth out there to the American public.

Its the court of public opinion which will be our ultimate battleground, not any court of law.....that's where we need to work it.

Fire away. That's why I posted it.
 

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Yes our health care is great. We have top notch care in this country....but here is the main problem of thinking in this country and I see this everyday. For some reason people think doctors are like Gods and can cure and operate and do everything perfect....with this thinking there will always be law suits. Doctors will always strive to do whats best for a patient but never assume that the out come will be perfect. And because of this the health care cost will continue to rise and doctors will have to pay for high cost insurance for them to work in there profession. Because if they dont have that $1,000,000 plus insurance coverage they wont be able to afford the law suits that may happen. You should read up on the cost of there insurance its insane. Also thats why insurance cost is so high for everyone else because those insurance companies also have to fork out tons of money to make up for losses. The list goes on forever why it cost so much.
Yes doctors do need to be accountable if mistake are made....But should not be held accountable if they did everything right but still things went wrong....and that happens every single day. Just my thoughts.
 
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Yes our health care is great. We have top notch care in this country....but here is the main problem of thinking in this country and I see this everyday. For some reason people think doctors are like Gods and can cure and operate and do everything perfect....

Good friend of mine a while back said this:

"I made 125k last year and spent 69,000 of it on malpractice insurance. I made more money selling airsoft guns on ebay part-time. I've decided to just sell airsoft guns on ebay full-time. I have a kid to put through college."

That's a huge indicator something is very wrong.
 

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Good friend of mine a while back said this:

"I made 125k last year and spent 69,000 of it on malpractice insurance. I made more money selling airsoft guns on ebay part-time. I've decided to just sell airsoft guns on ebay full-time. I have a kid to put through college."

That's a huge indicator something is very wrong.
i agree with you i even said the docs have to pay insane costs for insurance.
 

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    Prominent Public Health Physicians and Tobacco Researchers Expose Double Standard in the FDA's Recent Study of Electronic Cigarettes and Challenge the FDA's Alarmist Attitude Toward the Devices - Standard Newswire


    "The FDA's laboratory findings actually indicate that electronic cigarettes are much, much safer than conventional cigarettes," says Dr. Michael Siegel. "The traces of carcinogens present are also present in nicotine replacement products. The FDA and the anti-smoking groups have fallen into a huge analytical trap as they have failed to ask the appropriate question. The question they are asking is: 'Are electronic cigarettes safe?' That is not the right question. The right question is: 'Are electronic cigarettes much safer than traditional ones?'"
     
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