Any proof??? Any???

[Knvern]

How do you assume every test data sheet that shows the same results are ALL fake efest batteries? 2nd efest is rewrapping cells. like sonys and Lgs. I dont think I need to provide any more proof than has already been provided by myself and other more informed members than you. Burst or Pulse capabilites of a cell are not considered safe limits or ratings in the vape community. If you think they are you can continue to use them that way. Just dont cry about it when your hand or your face get blown off.

+1
Listen, I don't know why anyone is defending a company that has been caught multiple times intentionally deceiving people. Any company caught doing that ONCE doesn't get my money or support. In either case, We're simply trying to show people that Efest is rating their batteries 175% of what they really are. That doesn't mean they're horrible batteries, but if someone sets up a build meant for a 35A battery, and the battery is only 20A, that could potentially be CATASTROPHIC. In this industry, that is dangerous. Quit the flame war Charbanger because you're only in denial. EFEST DOESN'T MANUFACTURE OR TEST THEIR OWN BATTERIES. Plain and simple.

as the saying goes, Better safe than sorry.

and its better safe to stick without using a company caught intentionally deceiving multiple times. Its not hard to go out and find a genuine Sony.

 

[classwife]

Geeeezzz...


Come on...we can teach without the bashing and pissy comments.

 

[Wraith504]

Geeeezzz...


Come on...we can teach without the bashing and pissy comments.

EHHH sometimes it takes a lil tough love!

 

[classwife]

EHHH sometimes it takes a lil tough love!

Yes, but Forum Rules...respectfully please

8. Courtesy
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9. Personal attacks
You can disagree with the subject matter of a post, but never personally attack the poster - “Attack the post, not the poster”. Treat people as you would like to be treated yourself: with courtesy.

 

[Wraith504]

Yes, but Forum Rules...respectfully please

8. Courtesy
a. Members must be polite at all times. When addressing another Forum user, you will be polite. Courteous discussion is welcome here but heated and abusive argument is not. If attacked you are not allowed to respond in kind. Instead use the Private Message system and try to resolve matters privately and amicably. If problems persist ask for the help of a Moderator.


9. Personal attacks
You can disagree with the subject matter of a post, but never personally attack the poster - “Attack the post, not the poster”. Treat people as you would like to be treated yourself: with courtesy.

What if i Like being treated like doo doo? LOL JK!

 

[classwife]

What if i Like being treated like doo doo? LOL JK!

There are other forums that would happily treat you that way

 

[KenD]

Thank you for at least coming at me with a pic but my question to the pic is, if that is what they actually are, why should I not sub ohm when this is the exact battery suggested as "one of the greats" I just do not get it

That's the 30 amp Efest 2100 mAh. It's a rewrapped Sony vtc4. The 35 amp Efest 2500 mAh is a rewrapped LG he2, 20 amp cdr (I don't have a link to a dewrapped battery, but others have taken the wrapping off and posted proof).

Also, akkuDB's comparative tests of the 2500 mAh Efest and the LG show that they perform pretty much identically (slight variations as usual with individual batteries).

 

[tj99959]

A bit curious what equipment and battery you were using to sub ohm two years ago.

That's easy, a Phoenix atomizer on "the Don" with an AW IMR 18650 15c 1600mAh battery.

As for how RBAs got their start ...... here (2010)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/132663-all-my-mods-part1.html
on page 4 we have (Sept 2010)

The Bulli (RDA) followed in 2011

But I'm really-really sorry that the OP bought what they thought were 35a batteries only to discover that they're 20a, and now feels all .... hurt.

The good news is that the LG is a pretty good battery.

 

[invisiblehand13]

....what I am seeing is you offering anecdotal evidence (the "I've been sub-ohming for years and I haven't blown my face off") and then you berate and insult anyone that offers the same back.

Yeah, this is going to end well.

Look, there's crappy batteries out there. Some people are trying to do the right thing by letting fellow vapers know about it.

Personal attacks aren't the way to help spread knowledge.

If someone had used this battery and blown their face off I would love to hear from them, not from someone who has not and honestly I am one of alot of people who stress these amp limits and yet for all the people claiming that this is super dangerous I do not hear about a hoard of dead or disfigured vapors roaming around scared of ever touching a mod again.

 

[invisiblehand13]

That's easy, a Phoenix atomizer on "the Don" with an AW IMR 18650 15c 1600mAh battery.

As for how RBAs got their start ...... here (2010)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/132663-all-my-mods-part1.html
on page 4 we have (Sept 2010)

But I'm really-really sorry that the OP bought what they thought were 35a batteries only to discover that they're 20a, and now feels all .... hurt.

The good news is that the LG is a pretty good battery.

I never claimed that I am .... hurt over my batteries, I work in a vape shop and get them for around 5 a piece so it not a big deal, what I am saying is I run my builds on these to see what they do before I sell to customers who might and probably do even "dumber" builds than I do so no I am not hurt, I was asking for honest and tested results and got a ton of commentary that has lead ultimately no where but crap talking and mud slinging, but oh well thanks to all the replys my comment count continues to climb lol

 

[invisiblehand13]

That's the 30 amp Efest 2100 mAh. It's a rewrapped Sony vtc4. The 35 amp Efest 2500 mAh is a rewrapped LG he2, 20 amp cdr (I don't have a link to a dewrapped battery, but others have taken the wrapping off and posted proof).

Also, akkuDB's comparative tests of the 2500 mAh Efest and the LG show that they perform pretty much identically (slight variations as usual with individual batteries).

Showing similar results does not exactly mean what people are implying, simply that they are similar, not the kind of answer I am looking for

 

[invisiblehand13]

+1
Listen, I don't know why anyone is defending a company that has been caught multiple times intentionally deceiving people. Any company caught doing that ONCE doesn't get my money or support. In either case, We're simply trying to show people that Efest is rating their batteries 175% of what they really are. That doesn't mean they're horrible batteries, but if someone sets up a build meant for a 35A battery, and the battery is only 20A, that could potentially be CATASTROPHIC. In this industry, that is dangerous. Quit the flame war Charbanger because you're only in denial. EFEST DOESN'T MANUFACTURE OR TEST THEIR OWN BATTERIES. Plain and simple.

as the saying goes, Better safe than sorry.

and its better safe to stick without using a company caught intentionally deceiving multiple times. Its not hard to go out and find a genuine Sony.

In a capitolist world show me a company that does not deceive a million people on a daily business, no business is honest and straight forward, that is just business, unless we are talking small business but that is just an entirely different situation

 

[invisiblehand13]

Being a retired Aerospace Design Engineer and working next to Stress Engineers for the past 25 years I can say one thing. We don't believe Jack until it's in our hands and we've beat the crap out of it. It don't fly until we're satisfied. End of freaking discussion......for me.

You mean like all the test pilots that have dies over the years in the aerospace industry? Look, there is a risk in just walking out your front door but you do it anyways, and I do not need a risk assessment, regardless of what anyone says I am well aware of what I have been running for a long time now and if you think that is bad I do these builds for customers too (I work in a vape shop), I am endangering my entire community and we are all going to have horrible accidents!!! lol

 

[invisiblehand13]

It's not worth the time and effort let people think what they think because they are going to anyway.
There is substantial proof all over the net, all anyone needs to do is just look like posters in this thread did.

A loud opinion does not necessarily mean a CORRECT opinion.

And yet still not a single link to the mxjo battery I have mentioned? It must be so easy to find lol

 

[invisiblehand13]

Sobering thought, once had $600 dollars worth of copter rekitted by a 22.2 volt pack going taco on me. The thought of even a small version of that in proximity to your face should make one think twice!

Cheers,
Shawn

Agreed that it is a risk, but a well thought out one on my part lol

 

[invisiblehand13]

How do you assume every test data sheet that shows the same results are ALL fake efest batteries? 2nd efest is rewrapping cells. like sonys and Lgs. I dont think I need to provide any more proof than has already been provided by myself and other more informed members than you. Burst or Pulse capabilites of a cell are not considered safe limits or ratings in the vape community. If you think they are you can continue to use them that way. Just dont cry about it when your hand or your face get blown off.

I love seeing other people on my post arguing!!! cheers mates!!!

 

[invisiblehand13]

First and foremost you give a link to back up your claims that show stats using a FAKE efest, next you believe it like it's the Bible and you say that I'm naïve LOL. Well here's a free lesson for you. There are no true 35 Amp Lithium-manganese batteries, because after 30 you would need to use one-second load pulses, If you continue to run any LI-MN battery over 30 amps under load you will reach the heat limit of 176 degrees with or with out IMR, thus causing thermal runaway. Vapeing is the reason we are seeing batteries from manufacturers (including efest) that are passing the 30A limit, they are not intended to be used continuously but rather in short burst. So before you go around making everyone think you rode the short bus you might want to learn more about the subject.

I am slightly with you on backing up the efest with me on this one, but what if I rode the short bus too man????? lmfao

 

[invisiblehand13]

I dont think anyone thinks they are "BAD" batteries. They are perfectly good cells. But they are NOT true to their amp rating. It is a marketing ploy to get uneducated and uninformed people to impulse buy a battery they think has a higher continuous amp rating than it really does.

Educated response, I like this one from you, although I do not necessarily agree at least I felt like this was a true effort at not being too .... retentive lol, comment count rises again

 

[invisiblehand13]

So this is where all the geniuses hang out. I was wondering where you guys went. View attachment 389975ACH]....

Agreed, I like hanging out with all the smart people who can tell me how "stupid" I am for asking for proof lol

 

[tj99959]

You mean like all the test pilots that have dies over the years in the aerospace industry? Look, there is a risk in just walking out your front door but you do it anyways, and I do not need a risk assessment, regardless of what anyone says I am well aware of what I have been running for a long time now and if you think that is bad I do these builds for customers too (I work in a vape shop), I am endangering my entire community and we are all going to have horrible accidents!!! lol

The LG 20a battery is a darn good battery ... BUT ... it's still a 20 amp battery, not the 35a battery that efest claims. If I worked in a vape shop I would have no issue with selling them, but I would inform buyers that they are a 20 amp battery. And that the 30a 2100mAh efest was actually a better battery. (vtc4)

I have taken the wrapper off a 35a efest, and it was a LG 20a cell under the pretty purple wrapper.

Efest has been called out over this for a while now, it's time for them to fix it ...... you should not have to when working in a vape shop!