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So this is where all the geniuses hang out. I was wondering where you guys went. 120105~2.GIFACH]....
 

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I dont think anyone thinks they are "BAD" batteries. They are perfectly good cells. But they are NOT true to their amp rating. It is a marketing ploy to get uneducated and uninformed people to impulse buy a battery they think has a higher continuous amp rating than it really does.

In my time as an e-cig vendor I found this to be pretty typical when dealing with Chinese salesmen....exaggerated claims bordering on outright lies....all to sell a product. Many would even offer to send you picture of themselves......almost invariably as an attractive, single woman.

Im sure some vendors even fall for it today.

The question becomes if they routinely lie about a batteries capacity what kind of integrity do they have in their manufacturing process?

A quick look around these forums should answer that question for you.

IMO its a largely unecessary game of Russian roulette.
 

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Hummm...don't think the Chinese have the market corned on B.S.. Look...we have Obama, the FDA and WHO...oh...and don't forget...all the U.S. companies and Corporations that went to China. Business in the world is fueled by Human Methane. Educate yourself to get the answers. It's your only defense.
 
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Funny but that curve vs the LG curve looks identical to me. You are completely naive if you really think efest manufactures a true 35 amp continuous rated 18650 cell and there is no hope for you to learn or believe otherwise. Sad that you have been informed with all the statistical data you need, yet you are still in denial.
 

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Ya know...I bet a could create a graph in Photoshop from these pics to show that my UltraFire ($1.50 a piece and been using for 8 months now) could also run my Dodge Dakota while pulling my 5K lb RV. LOL....get real.....Graph Charts?......

Do you think its a huge conspiracy that you can find the same battery test data charts all over the place? Is it the goal of Companies like SONY that are secretly employing people to fabricate and photoshop graphs of battery test data of efest cells and the like to purposely under rate them? NO. Simply foolishness. It is from people like all of us that want to make sure what we are being sold is actually what we are getting when it comes to things like our safety. Some people are really starting to prove the statement that there is a difference between "dumb" and "stupid" You can educate and change one of those, the other I guess you are just born that way and have to deal with it.
 
Like an earlier poster my battery background is with radio controlled airplanes, and I've witnessed some pretty spectacular battery failures over the years. $50 airplanes, $500 airplanes, $5000 airplanes up in flames in the blink of an eye. Pretty horrific from even 20 feet away, I wouldn't want to be holding any of them near my face.

To the OP, what are you hoping to accomplish by pushing your batteries beyond their capabilities?

Sobering thought, once had $600 dollars worth of copter rekitted by a 22.2 volt pack going taco on me. The thought of even a small version of that in proximity to your face should make one think twice!

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Being a retired Aerospace Design Engineer and working next to Stress Engineers for the past 25 years I can say one thing. We don't believe Jack until it's in our hands and we've beat the crap out of it. It don't fly until we're satisfied. End of freaking discussion......for me.
So basically until you blow a hole in the side of your face by pushing 40 amps through a claimed 35 amp cell that has been proven to be a 20 amp cell will you then believe people who know more than you do. LOL GL my friend. :)
 

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Funny but that curve vs the LG curve looks identical to me. You are completely naive if you really think efest manufactures a true 35 amp continuous rated 18650 cell and there is no hope for you to learn or believe otherwise. Sad that you have been informed with all the statistical data you need, yet you are still in denial.

First and foremost you give a link to back up your claims that show stats using a FAKE efest, next you believe it like it's the Bible and you say that I'm naïve LOL. Well here's a free lesson for you. There are no true 35 Amp Lithium-manganese batteries, because after 30 you would need to use one-second load pulses, If you continue to run any LI-MN battery over 30 amps under load you will reach the heat limit of 176 degrees with or with out IMR, thus causing thermal runaway. Vapeing is the reason we are seeing batteries from manufacturers (including efest) that are passing the 30A limit, they are not intended to be used continuously but rather in short burst. So before you go around making everyone think you rode the short bus you might want to learn more about the subject.
 
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Funny but that curve vs the LG curve looks identical to me. You are completely naive if you really think efest manufactures a true 35 amp continuous rated 18650 cell and there is no hope for you to learn or believe otherwise. Sad that you have been informed with all the statistical data you need, yet you are still in denial.[/QUOTE

First and foremost you give a link to back up your claims that show stats using a FAKE efest, next you believe it like it's the Bible and you say that I'm naïve LOL. Well here's a free lesson for you. There are no true 35 Amp Lithium-manganese batteries, because after 30 you would need to use one-second load pulses, If you continue to run any battery over 30 amps under load you will reach the heat limit of 176 degrees, thus causing thermal runaway. Vapeing is the reason we are seeing batteries from manufacturers (including efest) that are passing the 30A limit, they are not intended to be used continuously but rather in short burst. So before you go around making everyone think you rode the short bus you might want to learn more about the subject.

How do you assume every test data sheet that shows the same results are ALL fake efest batteries? 2nd efest is rewrapping cells. like sonys and Lgs. I dont think I need to provide any more proof than has already been provided by myself and other more informed members than you. Burst or Pulse capabilites of a cell are not considered safe limits or ratings in the vape community. If you think they are you can continue to use them that way. Just dont cry about it when your hand or your face get blown off.
 
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