Any reason for PG in juice with reo?

[edricketts]

As I have graduated from ultimate noob to the rank of just plain noob (hey, brag on what you can), I end up having more questions the more I figure out. Any thoughts?

1. I got my first new juice since the switch to reo and it is 100% VG (AVE's Boba's) and good golly, the vapor density is unlike anything I've ever experienced. It is also super flavorful and so it made me ask "why would someone have PG besides it helping with viscosity if they don't drip?" Is there a reason?

2. 18mg of nicotine is turning me green since the switch, I assume bc of the increased quality and how much more I want to vape. If I mix VG into 18mg to get it down to 12, will that be a disgusting watery drop in flavor? I'm not a "refined palate" kind of guy, but will it be like pouring 4 oz of water into a 12 oz Coke where it would just taste disgusting?

3. Last one for now (glad you guys are patient), I am currently using 28g Kanthal 8 wraps on 1/16 in Allen wrench an it meters 1.1 ohms (without the cotton in, does that matter?). Huge clouds, very good flavor, but it is very cool and would be great if I could get it warmer. My airhole is aligned to be perpendicular to the coil and here's a photo. Suggestions on warming it up?

Thanks in advance. Can't believe how helpful you guys are. Good people.

Edit before I hit send: Looked at that photo and even I thought maybe the coil should move higher (an ultimate noob would have never had such a brilliant thought), definitely warmer and flavor and vapor unharmed. Still happy to hear other thoughts though. Gonna rank up to "amateur" soon....


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[Raynman]

A lot of juices come as high as 80/20 I've been moving towards higher vg too. Some folks like PG better.
I asked at a B&M to give me some of their new juice 3/4 full and top it off with VG to break it down to lower nic.
It doesn't matter if the cotton is in the coil or not resistance will be the same.
I have a very nice warm vape on mine.... using 28 gauge kanthal twisted together 10 coils around a 1/16 drill bit for a .86 ohm build and it's the BOMB!

 

[Filthy-Beast]

In general PG produces less vapor, but stronger throat hit. Do you want it warmer or more throat hit? Raising the coil will produce more TH, lowering the ohm of the coil will make it warmer.

 

[Crash Moses]

My responses in blue:

As I have graduated from ultimate noob to the rank of just plain noob (hey, brag on what you can), I end up having more questions the more I figure out. Any thoughts?

1. I got my first new juice since the switch to reo and it is 100% VG (AVE's Boba's) and good golly, the vapor density is unlike anything I've ever experienced. It is also super flavorful and so it made me ask "why would someone have PG besides it helping with viscosity if they don't drip?" Is there a reason?

I believe PG was more prevalent early on and worked better in cartomizers and the like before dripping caught on. I've heard it said that PG give more flavor than VG but that hasn't been my experience.

2. 18mg of nicotine is turning me green since the switch, I assume bc of the increased quality and how much more I want to vape. If I mix VG into 18mg to get it down to 12, will that be a disgusting watery drop in flavor? I'm not a "refined palate" kind of guy, but will it be like pouring 4 oz of water into a 12 oz Coke where it would just taste disgusting?

Depends on the juice so it's hard to say. Do a small sample and see what happens. Alternatively (and this is what I ended up doing) order some lower nic juices and keep your higher nic juices for your morning vape or afternoon vape or weekend vape or whatever vape. I pop in 18mg or 12mg in the morning and then just vape 6mg the rest of the day.


3. Last one for now (glad you guys are patient), I am currently using 28g Kanthal 8 wraps on 1/16 in Allen wrench an it meters 1.1 ohms (without the cotton in, does that matter?). Huge clouds, very good flavor, but it is very cool and would be great if I could get it warmer. My airhole is aligned to be perpendicular to the coil and here's a photo. Suggestions on warming it up?

Shorter drip tips will keep it from cooling too much before it gets to your lungs. Adjusting coil position will help too (experiment). You could conceivably lower your resistance to .7 or .8 ohms but to be honest I didn't notice much of a difference on the warmth of the vape at those levels. I think air flow has more of an affect. Make sure you have good batteries if you decide to go sub-ohm. AW IMR 18650 1600mah are good.

Thanks in advance. Can't believe how helpful you guys are. Good people.

Edit before I hit send: Looked at that photo and even I thought maybe the coil should move higher (an ultimate noob would have never had such a brilliant thought), definitely warmer and flavor and vapor unharmed. Still happy to hear other thoughts though. Gonna rank up to "amateur" soon....


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[dustinmj]

You might also try getting the coil closer to the air hole. If you look down into your rm2 with the tip out and hold it up to the light so light illuminates the air hole, you can see the position the coil should be in to be in between the hole and your mouth. The further out the coil is, the less you have to raise it. The heat will come from the air hitting the coil more so than the vapor itself so if the air is just moving through the stream of vapor it won't be nearly as warm.

 

[six]

A good way to mix in some no-nic VG in a small sample is right in the REO bottle. It is 6 ml, so if you want to go from 18 to 12, fill the bottle 2/3 with your bobas and 1/3 with VG. Stir it well with a toothpic or something and try it out for the day. If the flavor is too far off, you only wasted 4ml of your bobas.

 

[jcalis1394]

In my experience, PG gives less vapor, but more throat hit and flavor. I've done crazy 100% PG DIY flavors just to test the difference and I coughed, hard. Vapor was really thin, not much, but flavor was really punching in. Using high PG with the REO + RM2 would end up in a drastic nicotine drop most likely. My happy medium is 40 PG/60 VG. For a warmer vape you can try raising the coil a bit, keeping in mind that this will also increase throat hit. You can try lowering the ohms a bit and using a very short drip tip.

 

[Matthee]

Ed, if your pictures show your vaping position, then your air hole is not ideally aligned for the best air flow. It should be anywhere on the path of the yellow arrow below. Of course, if you have turned it around for the picture, it is in a perfect position.

 

[Decidion]

When I first started vaping I didn't know what the hell I was doing and just picked up some 50/50 PG/VG. I noticed that when I gave up analogs, my sense of smell (and nose in general) became much more sensitive to things like pepper and garlic. I also noticed I was having runny noses and sneezing quite frequently... and it wasn't a cold or sickness.

So I tried an experiment and got a small bottle of 100% VG and another of 100% PG and mixed both with the same flavoring and started vaping. The PG was mellow and went down pretty darn good (but almost no vapor). Then I tried the VG and wham.. I was coughing, the runny nose was going like a faucet, I was sneezing and my eyes were watering.

I just can't see how some folks do the 100% VG thing. For me, I settled on a 80PG/20VG mix... just enough VG to get some decent vapor.

It all comes down to personal preference. If VG was the only thing available, I would still be on analogs!

 

[FAAmecanic]

As far as 100% VG goes... I can't stand the film it leaves in my mouth. Feels almost like I'm vaping cooking oil. I also do find when I mix my own I have to used 2x the flavoring. Now all this is just my experience ...YMMV.

As far as more th and warmer vape.. others have said this, but move your coil up a tad.

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[burtonsnowww]

the main reason i have my reo as my ADV is that i only vape 100%VG. best mod on the market in my eyes for thick juice. To the people that say high vg gives less throat hit, i never understood that, my wife vapes alot of pg in her juice and the throat hit i receive with my setup dominates hers and i could make it even stronger by upping the nicotine and coil placement if i wanted too. (i only vape 6-12mg of nicotine)

 

[vsummer1]

When I first started vaping I didn't know what the hell I was doing and just picked up some 50/50 PG/VG. I noticed that when I gave up analogs, my sense of smell (and nose in general) became much more sensitive to things like pepper and garlic. I also noticed I was having runny noses and sneezing quite frequently... and it wasn't a cold or sickness.

So I tried an experiment and got a small bottle of 100% VG and another of 100% PG and mixed both with the same flavoring and started vaping. The PG was mellow and went down pretty darn good (but almost no vapor). Then I tried the VG and wham.. I was coughing, the runny nose was going like a faucet, I was sneezing and my eyes were watering.

I just can't see how some folks do the 100% VG thing. For me, I settled on a 80PG/20VG mix... just enough VG to get some decent vapor.

It all comes down to personal preference. If VG was the only thing available, I would still be on analogs!

As far as 100% VG goes... I can't stand the film it leaves in my mouth. Feels almost like I'm vaping cooking oil. I also do find when I mix my own I have to used 2x the flavoring. Now all this is just my experience ...YMMV.

As far as more th and warmer vape.. others have said this, but move your coil up a tad.

I am just the opposite. The only PG I use at all is in my flavorings. The PG feels like a thick layer of slime in my throat, like I am choking? Sounds like the same thing FAA gets with VG.

Which just goes to show we are all individuals and have to experiment to get what works for us

Crash Moses gave you the best answer to #2, and is what I would try, and for number 3 again you got good answers and will just have to figure out your sweet spot. I don't like a big TH or a warm vape, but some people love it. Isn't it great we can play around with all this great advice and find our own vaping nirvana? Good luck finding yours!

 

[FAAmecanic]

Yep to what Vsummer said. Key is do what you like, not everyone's taste is the same. I do like VG for the thick "creamy: vape (as GrimmGreen put it) but just dont like the taste. Again that is just me.

Vsummer...sounds like you may have a touch of a PG allergy. I have a vaping buddy that if he vapes anything over 20% PG its like inhaling glass to him. Very irritating to his throat, lungs, and sinuses.

 

[Norman Clature]

Personally I feel that PG is a better flavor/throat hit producer. I'm at 50/50 PG/VG and I'm now down to 10mg nicotine level.

When I was on KR808d batteries/carts I always used PG-based pre-mixed stuff and I'm guessing it was probably 80/20 PG/VG? and my nicotine level was 24mg.

When I got the REO and started the d.i.y. thing for flavors I could no longer handle that much PG or nicotine, but as I've transitioned from 24mg to 10mg nicotine I notice I use up more liquid because of the higher VG ratio.

It's all a "trade-off" IMHO. In the transition to lower nicotine levels and higher VG levels I have noticed that I vape more liquid in the transition so for the time being I'm sticking with 50/50. Any higher VG ratio would only make me vape up more juice and I already feel almost "water-boarded" with the VG I use now.

In other words, for me personally I could use less flavoring and nicotine with a higher PG ratio and end up vaping less, or more flavoring, more nicotine with higher VG ratio and vape more (but we are all different.)

That's been my experience for what it's worth.

Thanks,

Norman