Anybody Using A Kabuki?

[VNeil]

I'm being a bit more cautious in my atomizer purchases lately. I've spent hundreds on different setups (attys) and several have been either PIF'd or sold. One think I haven't found, or I just wasn't paying attention, is it top or bottom fill?

ETA: How does it maximize battery life? Isn't that dependent on what ohm coil and what wattage you're running?? Never known a tank to "maximize battery life". How does that work??

The PV circuit is best modeled by two resistors in series. One resistor is the coil, the other resistor is the accumulated unwanted resistance from the various electro-mechanical connections between the coil and the " battery". Those unwanted resistances are fixed, regardless of coil resistance. The lower the coil resistance the larger portion of total power dissipated is in the unwanted extraneous contact resistances. So if, for example, your objective is to deliver 20W to the coil, if the unwanted resistance is equal to the coil resistance then you will dissipate 20W of power in the unwanted resistance. You would expend 40W to deliver 20W. Zen previously posted a chart illustrating the relative wasted power at various resistances from about 0.15R to about 2R, assuming a 0.15R total extraneous circuit resistance.

 

[Yonjuro]

Thanks. I added a question to my previous post.

I think the consensus is that you use a 1.6 or 1.8 coil and run your device at 9 watts, thus saving battery life. I have been doing that for a couple of days but just went up to 10.2 and am getting a better flavour for me

 

[Simply Red]

The Kabuki uses stock Nautilus BVC coils, which are available only in 1.6 and 1.8 ohms. So, to your statement, it IS the ohms that result in longer battery life. (That didn't come out right, but you get the picture). The reason the ohms conversation came up to begin with is b/c Aspire is releasing new Triton mini coils that Zen~ says will work in the Kabuki. And those coils come in lower ohms. He believes the higher ohm Triton mini coils will produce the best flavor, for the reasons he posted. HTH!

ETA: if you pop over to ProVape's website, you can read a comprehensive description of the Kabuki. That may answer more of your questions

Well, I don't know anything about the Triton mini coil but, being the simplistic person I am, to me "mini" means smaller meaning not as many wraps on a coil?? Maybe?? More wraps = more surface area = more flavor and vapor. I guess I'll wait and see what the mini coils are all about. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

One more question. What's "HTH"??

 

[Simply Red]

The PV circuit is best modeled by two resistors in series. One resistor is the coil, the other resistor is the accumulated unwanted resistance from the various electro-mechanical connections between the coil and the " battery". Those unwanted resistances are fixed, regardless of coil resistance. The lower the coil resistance the larger portion of total power dissipated is in the unwanted extraneous contact resistances. So if, for example, your objective is to deliver 20W to the coil, if the unwanted resistance is equal to the coil resistance then you will dissipate 20W of power in the unwanted resistance. You would expend 40W to deliver 20W. Zen previously posted a chart illustrating the relative wasted power at various resistances from about 0.15R to about 2R, assuming a 0.15R total extraneous circuit resistance.

Ok.

Lol!

 

[Simply Red]

I think the consensus is that you use a 1.6 or 1.8 coil and run your device at 9 watts, thus saving battery life. I have been doing that for a couple of days but just went up to 10.2 and am getting a better flavour for me

Is it a warm vape?? What works for me, but not necessarily other folks, is the lower the ohms (as in the .3 I'm running in the Triton) with the wattage at 50-55, I'm getting my "sweet spot" in vaping. I don't know if the Kabuki will do that unless the Triton mini coils is the answer.

 

[VNeil]

Ok.

Lol!

Was my explanation unclear?

 

[Simply Red]

Was my explanation unclear?

I work concrete, dude. That went wayyyyyy over my head.

 

[AstroTurf]

I work concrete, dude. That went wayyyyyy over my head.

And yet Zen's chart and explanation was clear enough for you to quote it...

Go figure?!?

LOLz, Jim

 

[Simply Red]

Still trying to grasp a lot. I understand everyone thinks the Kabuki gives better flavor. I get that and am always looking for better flavor. What makes it produce better flavor? The Nautilus ($25) and the Kabuki ($99) both use the same Nautilus coil. In y'all's opinion, what makes the better flavor? Just trying to make an informed decision.

 

[LittleBird]

Is it a warm vape?? What works for me, but not necessarily other folks, is the lower the ohms (as in the .3 I'm running in the Triton) with the wattage at 50-55, I'm getting my "sweet spot" in vaping. I don't know if the Kabuki will do that unless the Triton mini coils is the answer.

Not Yonjuro ... My sweet spot with the Triton .3 coil was ~35 watts, airflow 2/3 open (no airflow open at DT). That was a warm-ish vape for me. My sweet spot for the same juice on the Kabuki is 12.4 watts, airflow open 1 1/2 turns (which will only make sense if you have a Kabuki). That produces a similarly warm-ish vape with considerably more flavor. If you also want big clouds, such as you will get at 55 watts on a wide open Triton, the Kabuki is prolly not a good answer for you. The flavor, however, is all in! Gotta get about my day, now. Hope your day is excellent!

 

[AstroTurf]

Still trying to grasp a lot. I understand everyone thinks the Kabuki gives better flavor. I get that and am always looking for better flavor. What makes it produce better flavor. The Nautilus ($25) and the Kabuki ($99) both use the same Nautilus coil. In y'all's opinion, what makes the better flavor? Just trying to make an informed decision.

The better flavor comes from a better design.

Vacuum, Airflow, and Heat Applied all contribute.

Being subjective, it is a Better Vape.

Buy It, and Try It... If it doesn't work sell it.

Hope this helps, Jim

 

[Yonjuro]

Is it a warm vape?? What works for me, but not necessarily other folks, is the lower the ohms (as in the .3 I'm running in the Triton) with the wattage at 50-55, I'm getting my "sweet spot" in vaping. I don't know if the Kabuki will do that unless the Triton mini coils is the answer.

I am really a bit of a noob so I can't give the kind of answers that others may. I prefer my neat tobaccos via the Kabuki I find it very clean and I know exactly what I am going to get, and I prefer some of the custardy or thicker juices through my Kayfun V4 or Squape R(s) - I would say the vape is warm enough, but I am always tinkering with my settings to find the sweet spot for each juice.

I am not going to say hands down that it is the best thing in the world, but it is is very very good. I think it is worth a try for sure, I doubt you will be disappointed and most likely it will surprise you.

I have another one coming to me tomorrow, so it will be good to rotate which "clean" flavour I feel like at the time.

In days past, I would always have a few very high quality briar pipes that I only ever smoked pure Virginia flakes in. I knew the pipe and the packing like the back of my hand and could always taste the nuances of the tobacco - I think the Kabuki is a little like that. And like pipe smoking there are some pipes that just don't suit a particular variety. Some baccie needed more air and a bigger chamber or chamber shape.

Sorry for the smoke analogy, my bottom like is that the Kabuki supplies a good tasting and easy vape

 

[Simply Red]

And yet Zen's chart and explanation was clear enough for you to quote it...

Go figure?!?

LOLz, Jim

Dude. Go take your attempt at making a mountain out an a mole hill elsewhere.

 

[AstroTurf]

Dude. Go take your attempt at making a mountain out an a mole hill elsewhere.

Ditto!!!

 

[Simply Red]

I am really a bit of a noob so I can't give the kind of answers that others may. I prefer my neat tobaccos via the Kabuki I find it very clean and I know exactly what I am going to get, and I prefer some of the custardy or thicker juices through my Kayfun V4 or Squape R(s) - I would say the vape is warm enough, but I am always tinkering with my settings to find the sweet spot for each juice.

I am not going to say hands down that it is the best thing in the world, but it is is very very good. I think it is worth a try for sure, I doubt you will be disappointed and most likely it will surprise you.

I have another one coming to me tomorrow, so it will be good to rotate which "clean" flavour I feel like at the time.

In days past, I would always have a few very high quality briar pipes that I only ever smoked pure Virginia flakes in. I knew the pipe and the packing like the back of my hand and could always taste the nuances of the tobacco - I think the Kabuki is a little like that. And like pipe smoking there are some pipes that just don't suit a particular variety. Some back needed more air and a bigger chamber or chamber shape.

Sorry for the smoke analogy, my bottom like is that the Kabuki supplies a good tasting and easy vape

Thank you. I'll attampt to find a vape shop that may have one I can try.

 

[VNeil]

I work concrete, dude. That went wayyyyyy over my head.

Then you just need to accept that as the coil resistance is lowered, more heat is dissipated in the mod itself, outside the coil, where that heat is wasted. There is no reason, however, to believe that that problem has anything at all to do with flavor. It only affects the amount of battery power you need to deliver a certain power level. Flavor and power efficiency are two totally different issues. And in a regulated mod resistance has nothing directly to do with power (watts). As long as the mod can deliver the voltage required to deliver the desired power level. So in principle you can get a 2.0 Ohm coil to vape at 50W, just like you can get a 0.3 Ohm coil to vape at 50W.

 

[LittleBird]

Then you just need to accept that as the coil resistance is lowered, more heat is dissipated in the mod itself, outside the coil, where that heat is wasted. There is no reason, however, to believe that that problem has anything at all to do with flavor. It only affects the amount of battery power you need to deliver a certain power level. Flavor and power efficiency are two totally different issues. And in a regulated mod resistance has nothing directly to do with power (watts). As long as the mod can deliver the voltage required to deliver the desired power level. So in principle you can get a 2.0 Ohm coil to vape at 50W, just like you can get a 0.3 Ohm coil to vape at 50W.

Thank you. Really. Not being facetious

 

[Simply Red]

Then you just need to accept that as the coil resistance is lowered, more heat is dissipated in the mod itself, outside the coil, where that heat is wasted. There is no reason, however, to believe that that problem has anything at all to do with flavor. It only affects the amount of battery power you need to deliver a certain power level. Flavor and power efficiency are two totally different issues. And in a regulated mod resistance has nothing directly to do with power (watts). As long as the mod can deliver the voltage required to deliver the desired power level. So in principle you can get a 2.0 Ohm coil to vape at 50W, just like you can get a 0.3 Ohm coil to vape at 50W.

Interesting. I wonder if I can test that theory with some RDA's I have at the house? I have regulated mods and a Hexohm which is kinda regulated (20 amp limit) but adjusts by volts.

<---Still learning even after 2+ years of vaping

 

[Simply Red]

Sorry for the editing in my last post.

 

[AstroTurf]

Sorry for the editing in my last post.

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