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coldgin96

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Zen, thank you and your staff for getting the replacement Stealth Kabuki and the Design Competition tips out to me so quickly. However, the base is still not correct. The threads for the coil are not even, so the coil tightens down at an angle, which then doesn't make contact. And even if it did, the tank does not screw all the way onto the P3. Finally, with the coil at an angle, there's a gap on one side between the glass and base. I've tried five different coils, including one from a normal Kabuki that I've been vaping fine this afternoon. Attached is a very terrible picture. I'm afraid even with the optical stabalization on the iPhone 6 Plus, I'm still too shaky to get a good photo. What next?
Sorry to hear that, Juma. That really sucks. Haven't received mine yet.

Thanks for the heads up... ;)
 

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Sorry to hear that, Juma. That really sucks. Haven't received mine yet.

Thanks for the heads up... ;)

Cold, Yeah, I'm kinda bummed by the whole deal. I love the Kabuki tanks. And as soon as ProVape gets off its .... and processes my reward points, I was planning on another P3 Stealth, but this time in Ti, and another Kabuki Stealth. But this turn of events gives me pause. I know Zen will make it right. But it's the hassle of going through it that bugs me. I have better things to do. Work, for example, or even life.
 

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Cold, Yeah, I'm kinda bummed by the whole deal. I love the Kabuki tanks. And as soon as ProVape gets off its .... and processes my reward points, I was planning on another P3 Stealth, but this time in Ti, and another Kabuki Stealth. But this turn of events gives me pause. I know Zen will make it right. But it's the hassle of going through it that bugs me. I have better things to do. Work, for example, or even life.
I hesitated to comment further on your situation until I receive my replacements but it is what is and I feel for you. It looks like the QC ball got dropped and a un-shucked corn cob shoved up your :censored:. Yes, Zen takes great pride in his work and I am sure he will send a bottle of lube with your second replacement base. In the meantime, I don't think anyone can blame you for being extremely disappointed and frustrated at this point. I would be but I still wouldn't give up. I still believe the Kabuki and Zen's business ethic is worth it.

Look, even though it's turning out to be a extreme PITA and it's easy for me to say because I haven't received my replacements yet, I hope you take a deep breath and give HOH another chance. I wouldn't say that if there was a better tank on the market. Still, in my line of work, I would have received a letter in my file for sending that out especially under the circumstances.

I seriously hope your situation is a anomaly and my three replacement bases are good. I don't say that just because I don't want to go through what you are about to, again, but because I don't want to set this thread on fire.
 

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I hesitated to comment further on your situation until I receive my replacements but it is what is and I feel for you. It looks like the QC ball got dropped and a un-shucked corn cob shoved up your :censored:. Yes, Zen takes great pride in his work and I am sure he will send a bottle of lube with your second replacement base. In the meantime, I don't think anyone can blame you for being extremely disappointed and frustrated at this point. I would be but I still wouldn't give up. I still believe the Kabuki and Zen's business ethic is worth it.

Look, even though it's turning out to be a extreme PITA and it's easy for me to say because I haven't received my replacements yet, I hope you take a deep breath and give HOH another chance. I wouldn't say that if there was a better tank on the market. Still, in my line of work, I would have received a letter in my file for sending that out especially under the circumstances.

I seriously hope your situation is a anomaly and my three replacement bases are good. I don't say that just because I don't want to go through what you are about to, again, but because I don't want to set this thread on fire.

Cold, I'm not mad at Zen or anything, just disappointed. I know how these things go. I'm in the .... happens business. I know he'll make it right. I'll call his office this afternoon. And since I'm calling, I guess I should also mention the bases on the two "normal" Kabukis do not fit on my "normal" P3s either, just the two Ti's.

The "bad" part about the Kabukis is they are so much better than my other tanks that I do not want to use them. I can sure see myself over the next few months buying four or five more!
 

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In between that admonishment and waiting for my parts I want to report one more super positive observation regarding the Kabuki.

I remember somewhere Zen commenting on the fact that the gurgling we get when using the Nautilus is nonexistent in the Kabuki due to his airflow engineering wizardry. Well, I'm happy to report, he is absolutely right and I want to take said observation even further.

When using the rebuilt Nautilus coils in a actual Nautilus, not only would I get gurgling but extreme leakage from said coil. When removing coil from Nautilus base for cleaning and dry burning, there is always much JUICE (not just condensation) at bottom of base where spring is that I would have to clean out and dry. Sometimes so much so, it would actually leak out airflow hole and make a mess.

I was worried since, when using P3 Kabuki actual coil comes in contact with P3 firing pin, there would be said amount of juice leaked all over juice well. Well, NOT SO!

I am happy to report that aside from a few drops of normal condensation, NO GURGLING OR JUICE LEAKAGE FROM COIL! I am extremely happy about this and one more reason, Hell or high water, I will continue to grace HOH with my business and buy another Stealth Kabuki when I am confidant the current connection problems are in the bag.
 
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In between that admonishment and waiting for my parts I want to report one more super positive observation regarding the Kabuki.

I remember somewhere Zen commenting on the fact that the gurgling we get when using the Nautilus is nonexistent in the Kabuki due to his airflow engineering wizardry. Well, I'm happy to report, he is absolutely right and I want to take said observation even further.

When using the rebuilt Nautilus coils in a actual Nautilus, not only would I get gurgling but extreme leakage from said coil. When removing coil from Nautilus base for cleaning and dry burning, there is always much JUICE (not just condensation) at bottom of base where spring is that I would have to clean out and dry. Sometimes so much so, it would actually leak out airflow hole and make a mess.

I was worried since, when using P3 Kabuki actual coil comes in contact with P3 firing pin, there would be said amount of juice leaked all over juice well. Well, NOT SO!

I am happy to report that aside from a few drops of normal condensation, NO GURGLING OR JUICE LEAKAGE FROM COIL! I am extremely happy about this and one more reason, Hell or high water, I will continue to grace HOH with my business and buy another Stealth Kabuki when I am confidant the current connection problems are in the bag.

Cold, 100% agreement on that. Went out of town yesterday on a l-o-n-g one day business trip. Took both Ti's with Kabukis and one P3 with Nautilus P3. Got in and out of the car a lot. Still hot in Texas. When I got home, nothing much in the wells of the Ti's, lots of gunk in the Nautilus.

What I still don't get, however, is why the taste from the Kabukis is 10 times better than the Nautiluses when both are using coils from the same pack, which came directly from Aspire? I mean, the Kabuki really spoils one. The only negative being the cost and the limited capacity. I understand what Zen says about a smaller tank tasting better, but I do wish he could make a Kabuki that would hold 5mls.
 

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Cold, I'm not mad at Zen or anything, just disappointed. I know how these things go. I'm in the .... happens business. I know he'll make it right. I'll call his office this afternoon. And since I'm calling, I guess I should also mention the bases on the two "normal" Kabukis do not fit on my "normal" P3s either, just the two Ti's.

The "bad" part about the Kabukis is they are so much better than my other tanks that I do not want to use them. I can sure see myself over the next few months buying four or five more!
That's cool. You have every right to be disappointed. It sucks. Good thing we are dealing with a USDA Grade-A American and his company, a?

As far as the tanks, "not fitting" on the P3, is that what we have coined as the, "paper gap?" If that is all it is, sadly that's on ProVape due to their recessed firing pin and/or top cap threading. I am told it happens in so little of them it's not worth mentioning but I beg to differ. Both Jackie and my P3 have it and I have seen pics and plenty of reports here on ECF regarding said issue. Typically it's not a issue with anything except when some wizard engineers a tank to perform perfectly with extreme microscopic tolerances. The P3 and the Nautilus coils not having the same tolerances can wreck havoc with said wizards plans...
 

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Cold, 100% agreement on that. Went out of town yesterday on a l-o-n-g one day business trip. Took both Ti's with Kabukis and one P3 with Nautilus P3. Got in and out of the car a lot. Still hot in Texas. When I got home, nothing much in the wells of the Ti's, lots of gunk in the Nautilus.

What I still don't get, however, is why the taste from the Kabukis is 10 times better than the Nautiluses when both are using coils from the same pack, which came directly from Aspire? I mean, the Kabuki really spoils one. The only negative being the cost and the limited capacity. I understand what Zen says about a smaller tank tasting better, but I do wish he could make a Kabuki that would hold 5mls.
The flavor is better because of the way the tank is designed. Such things as airflow, lower wattage, smaller juice capacity which affects things like vacuum (lack of pressure)/pressure (lack of vacuum) and magic. Obviously, I have no idea what I am talking about.

Yeah, 5mls would be nice but I relented and am glad I did. I carry a spare SS juice container/pump like a, "U-Can" in my watch pocket.
 

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The saga continues... I called HoH and talked to Dan. The bottom line is Zen is out of town until the 28th. He asked if I'd wait until then and discuss the problem with Zen. He said Zen was more familiar with the issue than he was and the company need to figure a way to make the bases where they'd fit properly on the various P3 models. I said I could wait until then. No problem. Naturally I'd like to have a working Stealth Kabuki today, but another couple of weeks isn't going to kill me. I'll let you guys know what happens.
 
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JUMA, we'll be waiting for the next episode with eyes wide open. Meanwhile, as frustrating as gear can be, you've a great 'tude about the whole thing, and that in itself is an inspiration.

Kat, thanks. I appreciate it.

Different subject... What's a tootle puffer? Those of us that vape at eight to 10 watts and don't want burn our lungs out vaping at 150?

Altho I "created" the Tootle Puffers thread, I have never once offered up any sort of distinctive definition. Many have "decided" what it means, but that's half the fun of the whole thing.

For me a Tootle Puffer is a low watt vaper. It's one who does MTL hits, doesn't use max VG, and uses coils in excess of 1.0 Ω. It's someone who does not get anywhere near blowing clouds. It's really the vaper of days gone by.... those of us who have been puffing on everything from mini ecigs (V2s, eGos, cigalikes, etc.) right up to and including Provis. Tootlers have no need of sub ohms or 200 watts. We realize that's about 190 watts in excess of what we like. :) I will be blasted for this, but to me it includes those who use ready made coils.



The only negative being the cost and the limited capacity. I understand what Zen says about a smaller tank tasting better, but I do wish he could make a Kabuki that would hold 5mls.

I would gratefully meet HOH halfway, and have a 3.5ml tank! Hey Zen, would you do that if we all promised to only fill it 1/2 way? ;)
 
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JUMA, we'll be waiting for the next episode with eyes wide open. Meanwhile, as frustrating as gear can be, you've a great 'tude about the whole thing, and that in itself is an inspiration.



Altho I "created" the Tootle Puffers thread, I have never once offered up any sort of distinctive definition. Many have "decided" what it means, but that's half the fun of the whole thing.

For me a Tootle Puffer is a low watt vaper. It's one who does MTL hits, doesn't use max VG, and uses coils in excess of 1.0 Ω. It's someone who does not get anywhere near blowing clouds. It's really the vaper of days gone by.... those of us who have been puffing on everything from mini ecigs (V2s, eGos, cigalikes, etc.) right up to and including Provis. Tootlers have no need of sub ohms or 200 watts. We realize that's about 190 watts in excess of what we like. :) I will be blasted for this, but to me it includes those who use ready made coils.





I would gratefully meet HOH halfway, and have a 3.5ml tank! Hey Zen, would you do that if we all promised to only fill it 1/2 way? ;)
So, because I do lung hits, I can't be a Tootle Puffer? That sucks. At least I can say I live with one...
 
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Zen, speaking of Zen......

@Zen~ on your shop site, there are O rings that you describe as a pretty snug fit. Just to be sure, do you mean that they will be snug in the glass? I have some Kabuki glass tanks that are way too loose to use on my Kabukis. Would these O rings tighten them up enuf to allow for normal use and no vliquid spills?
 
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Zen, speaking of Zen......

@Zen~ on your shop site, there are O rings that you describe as a pretty snug fit. Just to be sure, do you mean that they will be snug in the glass? I have some Kabuki glass tanks that are way too loose to use on my Kabukis. Would these O rings tighten them up enuf to allow for normal use and no vliquid spills?

Kat, if you are talking about Spectrum glass tanks, the colored O rings snug them right up. Not too tight, not too loose, just right. Not trying to answer for Zen, but that has been my experience.
 
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Ginster, everyone is welcome. Truly. It's a group that for the most part doesn't cloud or lung hit. You might be more comfy in the Modwompers thread, but by all means, come visit the insanity of the TP'ers if ya like!
OH C'MON! The only thing that keeps me from being a Tootle Puffer is I take lung hits! THAT'S NOT FAIR! I used to lung hit my analogs too! :facepalm:
 
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The saga continues... I called HoH and talked to Dan. The bottom line is Zen is out of town until the 28th. He asked if I'd wait until then and discuss the problem with Zen. He said Zen was more familiar with the issue than he was and the company need to figure a way to make the bases where they'd fit properly on the various P3 models. I said I could wait until then. No problem. Naturally I'd like to have a working Stealth Kabuki today, but another couple of weeks isn't going to kill me. I'll let you guys know what happens.
Better request some condoms with that lube...
 

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Kat, if you are talking about Spectrum glass tanks, the colored O rings snug them right up. Not too tight, not too loose, just right. Not trying to answer for Zen, but that has been my experience.

Q-T! Hi! Welp, actually, no I was not referring to Spectrum glass tanks. I'm just curious as to how much tightening I might get from these O rings. My two tanks are MEGA loose and either leak a bit or become extremely problematic in refueling.


OH C'MON! The only thing that keeps me from being a Tootle Puffer is I take lung hits! THAT'S NOT FAIR! I used to lung hit my analogs too! :facepalm:


All is fair in love and vape, mah dear one.
 

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Well, I finally got my replacement parts and am ready to report.

I'm not complaining, I'm explaining. It is what is and I can't help the facts.

While the new bases fire more of my coils, it doesn't fire all of them. There are rebuilds it doesn't fire and I have to still thread them. What's wrong with that? They will fire in a cheap $35 Chinese Nautilus. Every one of them but not in the Kabuki.

I know, I know, the Kabuki has better flavor, better vapor production, better airflow and is just a better tank...with coils that it will fire. If I want to be 100% sure my coils will fire without having to thread them, I have to grab a Nautilus.

Am I happy about that? Nope.
While I am sure HOH will further work with me until I am satisfied, will I pursue it? I don't know. It's approaching not being worth my time anymore.
Will I buy a 4th Kabuki (2nd Stealth)? I honestly don't know. I have to do some soul searching.
 
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