Anybody Using A Kabuki?
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Another Kabuki check in here, all good on the Kabuki firing fine, typed while vaping on a ZAP attie 
QUOTE="raitizz, post: 15905446, member: 238335"]Gap? Have pics?
Btw, check if the K4 pin screw does not eat in the P3 pin. I had that issue, the pin screw on the authentic K4 has pretty sharp edges.
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QUOTE="raitizz, post: 15905446, member: 238335"]Gap? Have pics?
Btw, check if the K4 pin screw does not eat in the P3 pin. I had that issue, the pin screw on the authentic K4 has pretty sharp edges.
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Let me know how that last part works out for ya.
Oh, lawd no. The world couldn't handle more than one Steve.
And I go by David, Dave, " Hey, a-ole", many things. My kids have some choice names for me...
My brother is in Germany and going to pop in to Prague for a few days this Christmas, so the ladies at the club will have 2 Christmas presents- he's quite the ladies man and has some catching up to do after being in Afghanistan and Iraq since late 2001...
Well, I do hope that you'll Czech in on him from time to time, just to make sure he doesn't need any assistance.
He''ll be just fine. The Red Room at the club will be a picnic compared to what he's been through...
QUOTE="raitizz, post: 15905446, member: 238335"]Gap? Have pics?
Btw, check if the K4 pin screw does not eat in the P3 pin. I had that issue, the pin screw on the authentic K4 has pretty sharp edges.
R[/QUOTE
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I'll try, sweetie, but I run like a girl.
OK, I'm back from vacation.... decided to check in and see what's happening in this thread... and BLAMMO... a couple people with issues that need to be addressed... so let's look at some of them and see what we can do.
Yeah, it's spinning... but besides the high post counts with the same couple of people posting over and over again, it looks to me like only a couple of folks need some attention, shouldn't be too hard to straighten out.
It actually kind of does impact me, I want people to have devices that actually work properly.
It's OK... we'll get to the bottom of it.
There have been a LOT of these tanks sold, and a VERY small percentage have had issues (well under 1%... WAY under) Up until now, the issue has been solved by machining bases that are .040" deeper which up until coldgins 3 bases has completely solved the issues with connectors that are out of spec. The tolerances we machine the bases to are ridiculously tight in the area of thread depths, in fact, most CNC machining by "regular" companies is +/- .005"... because we are counting on the pin engagement we manufacture the Kabuki base to the insanely tight tolerance of +.000/-.003... you're seeing that correctly... if the base threads are over by even .001" they are rejected. NONE get through that are over... zero... So... if the pin isn't contacting the coils or the P3 on the device are WAY out of spec... and machining the coil seat to be .040" deeper should make for a SERIOUS connection in even the most severe out-liar...
That being said... 3 replacement bases were sent to coldgin... machined .040" deep, and the problem seems to be persistent. I simply cannot explain that, nor do I understand how that is even possible.
There is also the notion that by shortening the threaded P3 section, the "paper gap" will go away. The only problem I see with this solution is that the threaded section of the Kabuki P-3 doesn't actually reach all the way to the bottom on the P3 "socket" so it shouldn't matter. Something else is going on with a VERY small number of P3 threaded devices. (less than 10 so far would qualify as a VERY small number relative to the number of Kabukis that have sold.)
I see what you you're saying, but I just don't understand why shortening something that shouldn't be hitting the bottom caused the improvement.
I'll toss you a "wow" as well...
It's just not that simple, I know it seems to be, but it's not... thread engagement is a science, and ProVape created the thread spec... it's my job to make the tanks fit whatever ProVape manufactures, not the other way around... If they have variances, I have to figure them out and create a a thread engagement that works on their variables. Yes, as a consumer you are caught in the crossfire, and I as a manufacturer have to split hairs until they work on every P3 connector that exists... as you can plainly see the issue is that I can't actually own every P3 connector made to date... so a couple have had issues. A couple... not a lot... very very few, and I'll make it right. I can't get you your time back, but I can make it work.
Something else is happening... the P3 Kabuki cannot "bottom out" in the well... it's shorter than the well by .010"... The Pin in the P3 connector may be set lower than what we recognize as being the correct spec, which can be corrected by lowering the coil seat, I'll have to machine a new base.
Regarding your report, I'd like to see it, have you taken measurements of the pin depth on your P3 devices? That seems to be where the issues happen to fall.
SOOOOOO..... anyway, I'm back... was a nice relaxing vacation, and if anybody is having issues, I will absolutely get you squared away this week.
Yeah, it's spinning... but besides the high post counts with the same couple of people posting over and over again, it looks to me like only a couple of folks need some attention, shouldn't be too hard to straighten out.
It actually kind of does impact me, I want people to have devices that actually work properly.
It's OK... we'll get to the bottom of it.
There have been a LOT of these tanks sold, and a VERY small percentage have had issues (well under 1%... WAY under) Up until now, the issue has been solved by machining bases that are .040" deeper which up until coldgins 3 bases has completely solved the issues with connectors that are out of spec. The tolerances we machine the bases to are ridiculously tight in the area of thread depths, in fact, most CNC machining by "regular" companies is +/- .005"... because we are counting on the pin engagement we manufacture the Kabuki base to the insanely tight tolerance of +.000/-.003... you're seeing that correctly... if the base threads are over by even .001" they are rejected. NONE get through that are over... zero... So... if the pin isn't contacting the coils or the P3 on the device are WAY out of spec... and machining the coil seat to be .040" deeper should make for a SERIOUS connection in even the most severe out-liar...
That being said... 3 replacement bases were sent to coldgin... machined .040" deep, and the problem seems to be persistent. I simply cannot explain that, nor do I understand how that is even possible.
There is also the notion that by shortening the threaded P3 section, the "paper gap" will go away. The only problem I see with this solution is that the threaded section of the Kabuki P-3 doesn't actually reach all the way to the bottom on the P3 "socket" so it shouldn't matter. Something else is going on with a VERY small number of P3 threaded devices. (less than 10 so far would qualify as a VERY small number relative to the number of Kabukis that have sold.)
My theory is sanding down the base of the Kabuki will let it go down farther into the P3 for the ones with a gap, which would thus lower the tip of the atty and make a connection, rather than re-tapping the threading where the atty screws into...
I had a team of guys working on this at work today, including engineers and the gap has been eliminated. Problem attys tested and no more issues...
I see what you you're saying, but I just don't understand why shortening something that shouldn't be hitting the bottom caused the improvement.
I'll toss you a "wow" as well...
It's just not that simple, I know it seems to be, but it's not... thread engagement is a science, and ProVape created the thread spec... it's my job to make the tanks fit whatever ProVape manufactures, not the other way around... If they have variances, I have to figure them out and create a a thread engagement that works on their variables. Yes, as a consumer you are caught in the crossfire, and I as a manufacturer have to split hairs until they work on every P3 connector that exists... as you can plainly see the issue is that I can't actually own every P3 connector made to date... so a couple have had issues. A couple... not a lot... very very few, and I'll make it right. I can't get you your time back, but I can make it work.
Something else is happening... the P3 Kabuki cannot "bottom out" in the well... it's shorter than the well by .010"... The Pin in the P3 connector may be set lower than what we recognize as being the correct spec, which can be corrected by lowering the coil seat, I'll have to machine a new base.
Regarding your report, I'd like to see it, have you taken measurements of the pin depth on your P3 devices? That seems to be where the issues happen to fall.
SOOOOOO..... anyway, I'm back... was a nice relaxing vacation, and if anybody is having issues, I will absolutely get you squared away this week.
QUOTE="raitizz, post: 15905446, member: 238335"]Gap? Have pics?
Btw, check if the K4 pin screw does not eat in the P3 pin. I had that issue, the pin screw on the authentic K4 has pretty sharp edges.
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Try to keep up Kat...
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Woah, went through the alerts and landed here
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I'll take a copy of that report, please.
So now the conspiracy is to get us to buy Ti's...
Gee, Astro, looks like you may be needing a bag of those o rings you rode me up and down about regarding their P3 compatibility...QUOTE="raitizz, post: 15905446, member: 238335"]Gap? Have pics?
Btw, check if the K4 pin screw does not eat in the P3 pin. I had that issue, the pin screw on the authentic K4 has pretty sharp edges.
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I love you, Zen!
Thank you for taking the time to come in here, take it on the chin, respond and address our concerns in a gentlemanly and businesslike manner.
Glad you made it back safe! Hope you had a really good time and was able to get your...well.. Zen!
I ordered a 4th (2nd stealth) Kabuki from ProVape Friday morning. Might as well wait and check it out before getting in touch with you. Tracking shows it should be here tomorrow (Monday). You're probably going to be one busy bee anyway, first day back and all...
Flowing, and bouncing...
Flowing, and bouncing!!!
Oh Yeah
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It could be I have an unusual ProVari with a shallow well. I don't have another P3 device for comparison...
Welcome Aboard!!!Woah, went through the alerts and landed here
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The oring is fine in that pic...Gee, Astro, looks like you may be needing a bag of those o rings you rode me up and down about regarding their P3 compatibility...
But you are right everyone should have at least one spare in hand.
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