Anybody Using A Kabuki?

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I'm wondering if the design of the Kabuki, and the amazing end result holds true for other tanks. Do you notice a difference, say, between the nautilus and the Naughty Mini?

I do. Taste is better with the Nautilus Mini than the regular one. Ditto for the Kabuki and the P3 Nautilus. As you know, I'm not the world's best builder, but the KF4 in normal mode is better than in long, and the Kayfun Mini V3 is better than either of those. And I cannot prove it, although Zen says I'm correct, the Kabuki uses less juice than the P3 Nautilus. As much as I'd love to have a 5ml Kabuki, I'm not willing to give up the flavor of the model we have now.
 

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Anybody else run into an issue with the 510 Kabuki not firing on certain devices?

My Innokin Disrupter wont read or fire it, neither will my Cloupor Mini + ....and I think I figured out why. The contact pin on both is larger circumference than the contact pin on a Provari.

So much so that it think the contact on the Innokin and Cloupor is touching the sides as well as the Kabuki center pin, causing it to short and making it not fire.

When its not so late and Im not so lazy Ill try and take some pics to better illustrate what Im talking about.

Do you guys think unscrewing the center pin a little bit would help? Im scared its going to fall out if I back it out too much.
 

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I'm wondering if the design of the Kabuki, and the amazing end result holds true for other tanks. Do you notice a difference, say, between the Nautilus and the Naughty Mini?
Yes it does Kat. And on the drippers, is VERY noticeable. It has to do with the distance the vapor has to travel before it gets to the user. Less distance, more, warm, flavorful vapor!;)
 

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I do. Taste is better with the Nautilus Mini than the regular one. Ditto for the Kabuki and the P3 Nautilus. As you know, I'm not the world's best builder, but the KF4 in normal mode is better than in long, and the Kayfun Mini V3 is better than either of those. And I cannot prove it, although Zen says I'm correct, the Kabuki uses less juice than the P3 Nautilus. As much as I'd love to have a 5ml Kabuki, I'm not willing to give up the flavor of the model we have now.
I'd sure like the opportunity to compare it though.
 

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Anybody else run into an issue with the 510 Kabuki not firing on certain devices?

My Innokin Disrupter wont read or fire it, neither will my Cloupor Mini + ....and I think I figured out why. The contact pin on both is larger circumference than the contact pin on a Provari.

So much so that it think the contact on the Innokin and Cloupor is touching the sides as well as the Kabuki center pin, causing it to short and making it not fire.

When its not so late and Im not so lazy Ill try and take some pics to better illustrate what Im talking about.

Do you guys think unscrewing the center pin a little bit would help? Im scared its going to fall out if I back it out too much.
I have a similar issue with one (of two) KBOX Minis, zapped. Interestingly though, it won't fire anything Nautilus (not just the Kabuki).

The other Mini is fine (fires everything). I don't know if it matters that they are fixed pin devices, but it might be relevant.
 

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DP, if Zen were to come out with a 4~5ml Kabuki using Nautilus coils, I would probably buy one or two.

I'm sorry, but did you say, "One or two"? One or two WHAT (please clarify because I KNOW there's a trailing descriptor).

...hundred? ...thousand? ;)

And I'm guessing you and I wouldn't be the only two, JUMA.

If a Kayfun can do it at 4.5ml, and an Erl can do it at 6ml, then I believe The Great & Powerful Zen could do it at LEAST as well.
 

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Do you guys think unscrewing the center pin a little bit would help? Im scared its going to fall out if I back it out too much.

Wouldn't you lose contact with the coil at the top end of the pin? I suppose you could pull the pin on the coil and do the old floss trick. I can't remember the last time I had to do that, have Aspire coils become more standardized?
 

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If a Kayfun can do it at 4.5ml, and an Erl can do it at 6ml, then I believe The Great & Powerful Zen could do it at LEAST as well.
Kayfun and Erl do it based on a coil the user builds themselves.
The Kabuki was designed around a coil that is mass produced at a sweatshop in China-land...
"A coil the user builds" could be anything, and has endless possibilities.
A mass produced coil is very limited in its capabilities.
This is why the Kabuki is what it is. Zen was able to pull maximum effort from the Nautilus coil, by designing the optimum workspace for it to be used in.
In other words...keep dreaming.
And hey, like I've said several times: I'd love to not have to fill my Kabuki as often, but I wouldn't trade performance for convenience.
 

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Yes it does Kat. And on the drippers, is VERY noticeable. It has to do with the distance the vapor has to travel before it gets to the user. Less distance, more, warm, flavorful vapor!;)
That's a very oversimplified, if not out right wrong statement. There are more factors involved than people realize and distance is pretty much on the bottom. Chamber size is the biggest factor. The rest has to do with airflow dynamics. It's a tough balance to get right. It's almost akin to designing a rocket engine.

The length on an atty like the kabuki has such a big affect because, when you increase the length your effectively making the chamber bigger causing the gas produced by the coil to condense more before hitting the tip so less vapor get out. That's why some atty's end up with more condensation build up.
 

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Anybody else run into an issue with the 510 Kabuki not firing on certain devices?

My Innokin Disrupter wont read or fire it, neither will my Cloupor Mini + ....and I think I figured out why. The contact pin on both is larger circumference than the contact pin on a Provari.
My 510 Kabuki fires on:

SX Mini M class
Renegade X
Boxer Mod
Boxer Mod with Varitube 510
P4U IPV3Li
P4U IPV4S
RX200
Provari 2.5

Doesn't fire on SlowTech 1200mah C-Twist but Mrs. M's Nautilus mini does
 

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That's a very oversimplified, if not out right wrong statement. There are more factors involved than people realize and distance is pretty much on the bottom. Chamber size is the biggest factor. The rest has to do with airflow dynamics. It's a tough balance to get right. It's almost akin to designing a rocket engine.

The length on an atty like the kabuki has such a big effect because, when you increase the length your effectively making the chamber bigger causing the gas produced by the coil to condense more before hitting the tip so less vapor get out. That's why some atty's end up with more condensation build up.
Exactly correct, and since the length of the tube above the coil in effect increases what would effectively be its acting chamber, increasing the length, would increase volume. Just as a larger chamber would in other styles.

although you stated that I was wrong, your last paragraph for the most part explains why what I said was correct. HeHe!!! It encreases the volume of air space. Hence a larger capacity tank for the Kabuki, would in effect, make for a larger condensation area. Making for less flavor. Al other things being equal.;)

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I'd sure like the opportunity to compare it though.

As would I. I would not hesitate, if.



I am in no way desirous of comparing the Naughty tanks to the Kaboook. I am only thinking about the design factor as pertains to drop in koils.

I do not find a difference in the taste or volume of vapor between the Naughty and the Mini Naughty. (Sorry, JUMA)
 
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