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strayling

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There are always plenty of people wanting to play Cassandra. Only thing is, Cassandra was right but not believed; these folks are getting some credence but are more likely to be wrong IMO. Of course there's always the problem of self-fulfilling prophecies and the desire to get a consolation prize: "PVs may be banned but at least my prophecies of doom were correct".

It does more harm than good.
 

keg

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I don't post much since everything gets said twenty different ways and then argued about twenty different times but I did make a post in a thread about all this "banning" stuff and it made sense so it got little feed back. It went something like this....

Wow. I wish I sold these things. I would be rubbing my hands together every time one of these threads came out. buy NOW!! HURRY!! Amazing sociological study.
Stay panicked!
Keg

I'm not saying there is no concern since where there is smoke there is usually fire but I wish people would consider the source. A forum that is VERY supplier heavy. Here is the scenario...If I'm a supplier and I just got a bunch of stock in and there are web sites selling my same product popping up daily. hmmmm, maybe I could sell out if people thought they could no longer buy. Its the most basic of dirty sales techniques. I'm sure some of you are the same people that think that if you purchase the shamwow in the next twenty minutes you will double you order but HURRY. Nevermind that the same commercial is on twenty five minutes later.
They are SOME real issues concerning the future of the e cig but if I scoured the web for bits and pieces of info concerning beer sales I'm sure I could convince quite a few that proabition is just around the corner.
 

Kendra

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Kendra don't worry about anything, these guys are just scared the FDA will ban it, except Obama is going to smack down the corrupt FDA and replace the FDA managers with cute little PUPPIES wearing tiny hats!

These Puppies are going to clean up the FDA, they will make sure everything we eat and injest is safe, they will approve e-cigs because they care about the american public. Puppies want all of us to be healty, happy and safe!

Don't worry Obama will make everything OK!

You know what? I'm not sure if you're making fun of me or not. But, I do agree with your sarcasm about Obama. I could say worse about his policies, but I try to leave politics out of non-political forums for obvious reasons.

I hate to admit I'm worried, but the thing is, I will at least admit that I'm a pathetic addict. And, I don't want to quit. I would love BEING a non-smoker, but the pain to get there is so drastically, well, painful. So, I LOVE not smoking regular and I LOVE vaping. And, since I am a nic addict, the fact that I may not be able to vape and have to either deal with quitting or returning to analogs is a kind of fear for me. Sorry, I completely know how that sounds, but that's what I'm going through. I'd rather have nicotine than not have it. Buying the liquid at a cheaper price in bulk makes complete sense to me. I go to Sam's club to buy bulk with other items and save money, why not do the same for e-liquid? ;)
 

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is it just me or has anyone else noticed more than a few new (very concerned) members
posting almost exclusively about the FDA/banning/write to your representatives threads?

clever saber rattling or just coincidence? :confused:

saber rattling....hmmmmm....:?:

Can't speak for any other newbies, but my motivating factor is
being extremely .......

Me and my cigarette addiction was doing quite nicely complaining...though doing nothing about...the constant increase in cigarette prices.

Then along comes some nosy vaper recommending something called an electronic cigarette and gets me enthusiastic about using it.

Then...which always seems the case when I find something I really enjoy...some other busybody come along to rain on my parade! :mad:

I'm open to any suggestions on how to constructively contain my rage.

Thanks in advance.
 

KDMickey

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It looks like a great deal to me. Fifty 30ml bottles for $281. That's $5.62 per bottle. Find a price like that anywhere else. TW is selling them for $30 each!

My bad. I was actually talking about the M401 for what I thought was one set @ 115.98, but I now see is six sets!

My mistake, the prices there are awesome!

Cheers,
-Mickey
 

CandyGirl

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I don't post much since everything gets said twenty different ways and then argued about twenty different times but I did make a post in a thread about all this "banning" stuff and it made sense so it got little feed back. It went something like this....

Wow. I wish I sold these things. I would be rubbing my hands together every time one of these threads came out. BUY NOW!! HURRY!! Amazing sociological study.
Stay panicked!
Keg

I'm not saying there is no concern since where there is smoke there is usually fire but I wish people would consider the source. A forum that is VERY supplier heavy. Here is the scenario...If I'm a supplier and I just got a bunch of stock in and there are web sites selling my same product popping up daily. hmmmm, maybe I could sell out if people thought they could no longer buy. Its the most basic of dirty sales techniques. I'm sure some of you are the same people that think that if you purchase the shamwow in the next twenty minutes you will double you order but HURRY. Nevermind that the same commercial is on twenty five minutes later.
They are SOME real issues concerning the future of the e cig but if I scoured the web for bits and pieces of info concerning beer sales I'm sure I could convince quite a few that proabition is just around the corner.


you're spot on keg,

i hope this isn't making any new people uncomfortable, that's not why i posed the question.

i usually try and help as many people as i can. usually it's the same questions/issues you see on a day to day basis. "questions from a noob", "a little help please", "how do i get one of those banner thingies" "is this normal" "what am i doing wrong" etc. and that's fine, it's expected.

members who have been around awhile usually get caught up in discussions surrounding news and issues and the everyday banter/conversation that goes on as people get to know one another.

i'm just saying that it's a little odd to see brand new people so focused on the issues, and at times it feels a bit like being steered.

if people want to stock up that's fine, hey i'm stocked up pretty well myself. i just don't want to see people being nudged or encouraged to do it from someone who may not be what they seem to be. ;)

ninja shamwows out to soak up our money and do their bidding. lol
 

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Kendra don't worry about anything, these guys are just scared the FDA will ban it, except Obama is going to smack down the corrupt FDA and replace the FDA managers with cute little PUPPIES wearing tiny hats!

These Puppies are going to clean up the FDA, they will make sure everything we eat and injest is safe, they will approve e-cigs because they care about the american public. Puppies want all of us to be healty, happy and safe!

Don't worry Obama will make everything OK!

I don't know maybe obama could tell the FDA to .... and leave e cigs alone, He could have sympathy for us because he trying to stop smoking too and knows how hard it is.He has been using the gum and we all know that sucks, someone in congress gave him one and he might be using it.
 

Kendra

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And from what I can tell, the FDA has not issued any public statements regarding ecigs. The only info we're getting is coming from a rep in the Office of Public Information when she is questioned by a reporter. Her most telling answer was that its an "open case". Basically that's spokesman speak for "I don't know what's going on...leave me alone".

i don't know that you're right. I also think you're dismissing their statements too readily. It took years to get the patch, the lozenges, the inhalers, and the gum on the shelves. They WILL try to regulate this. It's not an 'if', it's a 'when'. They will do it under the guise of public safety, but really it will be so they can tax us and regulate our consumption.

I always wonder why certain folks dismiss others when they make clear statements about their intentions. Why is this? It's almost patronizing if you think about it. Others, here and around the world, state in plain language what they either want to do or what they will do when they are able to, and still there's half the population who just believes what they want to believe as if the statements mean nothing.

Believe me, I'm not just talking about the FDA. . . I see this all the time even though history usually proves that the people making these statements will follow through or at least try to.

No offense. . . I'm not picking on your post specifically. I just see no reason to doubt that this will happen. Other countries' regulatory agencies have banned the use of it, too. And, often, other countries permit what we don't permit for years before it's finally approved here.
 

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Actually I think Obama will fix the FDA, puppies is only a metaphore for Obama = teh Win, in a joking way. Puppies are cute.

I was not making fun of anyone except Obama and even then only joking in a silly way because I like Obama.

Yeah Obama raised cig taxes, they are disgusting and bad for those around you. Obama is Not going to secure our boarders any more then they are now. He will "probably" fix the FDA.

There are websites you can get duty free shipments from liquor to cigars. They hide the stuff inside relabeled packages and the shipments get to the US, through customs because they don't contain things like coke or .......
There are very few duty free shipments of liquor/cigs taken by customs if the package+product is relabled or the products are hidden in some way.
Even multiple bottles of liquor can be shipped here, that are supposed to be taxed but customs only cares if its (cases and cases). They will just let the package go through, if they even opened it in the first place.

And I'm talking about worse case here. You are saying worse case is a ban and stuff wont be on shelves.

I'm saying worse case is a ban and we have to get shipments from china, which is just what we are doing now. E-cigs are not on store shelves right now anyways.

Except right now we dont have to pour the liquid into a bottle that says "body lotion" before shipping through customs. Thats the worse case and even then IF they opened the "body lotion" they would still let it pass through customs even if its a "duty item" which should be taxed. They dont care unless its gallons.
 
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Ramblin

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If I were a supplier, I might be worried, but I'm not. The FDA has had a ban on buying drugs from overseas pharmacies especially without a prescription for years. But the stuff still gets through. When I start hearing about people not getting their happy pills or hardon pills from India, then I'll worry.

And from what I can tell, the FDA has not issued any public statements regarding ecigs. The only info we're getting is coming from a rep in the Office of Public Information when she is questioned by a reporter. Her most telling answer was that its an "open case". Basically that's spokesman speak for "I don't know what's going on...leave me alone".

That being said, there's no way the FDA could approve them as a new drug (that's drug as in medication). The approval process takes years and costs tons of money. But that doesn't mean the FDA is going take our ecigs away. They might make an attempt, but even that won't be the end of the world.

Now if the DEA starts sniffing around, that would be trouble.

How about the BATF?
ATF Online - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
The goals of the tobacco program are to ensure the collection of tobacco excise taxes and to qualify applicants for permits to manufacture tobacco products or operate tobacco export warehouses
 

Kendra

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How about the BATF?
ATF Online - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
The goals of the tobacco program are to ensure the collection of tobacco excise taxes and to qualify applicants for permits to manufacture tobacco products or operate tobacco export warehouses

Someone mentioned this in another post and he or she said that an ATF guy said that they wouldn't touch it, because it's not tobacco.
 
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