Anyone Know Of A Leather Flavouring Vendor?

[Dunvegan]

....sheesh, I know how kinky it must sound...looking for a leather flavouring...

Here's the back-story: My favourite perfume is Cuir de Russe (i.e., Russian Leather) by Chanel.

And then I've always enjoyed black pepper on the palate.

Chanel used birch fragrance extracts to simulate leather.

So my idea is to concoct a tobac/black pepper/leather flavoured juice.

I have the pepper and a good tobacco flavourings I've been looking for.

But now I'm hitting a wall. I have no idea if adding leather to the mix would be just the note that would make the aroma I have in my imagination. But I'd like to try.

Is there any flavouring vendor out there that makes anything like a leather flavour? Or a birch flavour?

Or has anyone come across a flavour that may not be called leather or birch that may fail at what it's supposed to be, but comes off like leather or birch?

 

[FACE MEAT]

Good luck on your quest....i think?

 

[Dunvegan]

Good luck on your quest....i think?

lol! Yeah, I know...pretty embarrassing question to ask for such a long shot at finding that "lost note" in my recipe.

I'm just thinking that adding the slightest hint of leather/birch as a background note *might* be an alchemy miracle. Just flailing around in the dark...but interested in trying this idea out.

Then again, some of the greatest perfumes were conjured from either accidental or unlikely combinations. And, whomever the chef of antiquity was that first combined chocolate with hot peppers for mole was probably thought bonkers...until it went on the chicken in the dish and was found to be incredible.

Tried a taste at a chocolate shop I thought was interesting: very dark cacao with embedded crystalline ocean salt. Now, it sounds quite awful, but here the confectioner had whipped up a lot bars of this, so someone must have liked it.

(Yes, that salt on that particular chocolate was pretty good.)

At least I'm not so obsessed that I'd try to cook up one of my old leather purses to make my own leather extract!

 

[Shadav]

i'm sorry but lmfao....where to start.....how to reply...

while I did try to run some searches and couldn't think of anything or find anything helpful

I think you are maybe looking at this in the wrong manner...I wouldn't want something to taste like leather....maybe need something that has a bit of a gamey smell to it?

maybe a kind of hickory smell?

 

[FACE MEAT]

It definitely exists out there somewhere, I'm just not sure whether or not it's something you'd want to inhale.

 

[michaelsil1]

I found some Cedar



https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-6925-caryophyllene-oxide-1-pg.aspx

 

[FinallyQuit]

I once had a tobacco flavor that strongly reminded me of leather. It was a Dekang I believe, back when I first started, and I could NOT vape it.

On another note, thanks for making me go search, I found something "sweet, creamy, vanilla, coconut, and milky" as well as "Coconut, creamy, waxy with fatty milky notes" that might mix up great with Chocolate!!

 

[Sdh]

http://www.faeriesfinest.com/E183.html
A birch beer flavoring?

 

[Iffy]

And I can assist you how...?

Oh, BTW, I would not vape...

 

[anavidfan]

LOL, I could not resist checking the thread out. But seriously, there are those types of flavours out there, I would not use an ingredient like any from the perfumers section of the site, only the flavour apprentice side for inhaling.

But if you do a google search for tobacco flavourants, you should find leather etc. THey are used in wines, beers and tobacco leaf sites to add to your leaf tobaccos. I would say if they are safe to add to leaves and smoke then they should be fine to inhale in eliquid. THey come in liquid drop vials and you mix it into your leaf mixes.

BTW, is that a mens or womens fragrance? Sound nice.

 

[Dunvegan]

I found some Cedar
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-6925-caryophyllene-oxide-1-pg.aspx

Eureka! This is the direction I think I'm going in...after all, Chanel didn't use real leather extract for Cuir de Russe...and that note I'm chasing. They used birch...tree essence.

You're a genius, you are, michaelsil1...thank you.

I'll order and try this and see what cellulose/tree/moss note this cedar rings.

 

[Dunvegan]

BTW, is that a mens or womens fragrance? Sound nice.

Cuir de Russe was developed as part of Chanel's pioneering modern fragrances. Easily a confident and smoky scent no matter who wears it.

Cuir de Russe Review

There’s no getting around it, you really have to like birch tar to like Cuir de Russie. Historically, the bark of the birch tree has been cooked-up and used to cure leather. The synthetic birch tar accord used in perfumery today is deep, dark, resinous and animalic. If like me, you are fond of inhaling smoky aromas, chances are you will like leather perfumes.

Fragrances with prominent birch tar can be rugged like Tauer’s Lonestar Memories or intense like Le Labo’s Patchouli 24, but Cuir de Russie is a smooth and elegant take on leather.

Other notes include aldehydes, orange blossom, bergamot, mandarin, clary sage, jasmine, rose, ylang-ylang, carnation, cedar, vetiver; styrax, amber and vanilla.

However, despite the aldehydic start, the floral heart and the ambery base, it’s really all about the leather. Bold and beautiful, it oozes sophistication and more than a little edge.

Cuir de Russie was originally created in 1927 by Chanel’s Master Perfumer, Ernest Beaux at a time when all things Russian were fashionable. He created this provocative perfume for the emancipated “Roaring Twenties” woman who was out drinking, smoking and voting. It’s conception becomes more intriguing once you learn that during the 1920s Coco Chanel was having a love affair with the Russian Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich (the cousin of Tsar Nicholas II). In her book “Coco Chanel: The Legend and The Life” Justine Picardie describes Cuir de Russie as the “bottled…essence of her romance with the Grand Duke”.

Reformulated by Jacques Polge in 1983, Cuir de Russie is now part of Les Exclusifs. Known as a perfume for grown-ups, it’s hard to imagine it appealing to your average teenager. It feels decadent, and sensuous, with just a hint of darkness. Its smoky warmth makes it an ideal perfume for autumn and winter and perfectly suitable for men as well as women. It wears very close to the skin, coating you with an olfactory shield of leather. Considering it has such a strong personality you won’t be surprised to learn that it is extremely tenacious, resulting in outstanding lasting power.

If I need a confidence boost, only Cuir de Russie will do.​

My life-long light daily splash is the lemon-citrus 4711, which is usually called the very first modern fragrance. 4711 has long been used by both men and women, but was concocted as a remedy and the first "cologne" as this clean fresh aroma was developed in Cologne. Originally, 4711 was embraced more by men of the royalty than women.

In the early 18th century, the Italian expatriate Johann Maria Farina (1685–1766) created a new fragrance and named it Eau de Cologne ("water from Cologne"), after his new residence, Cologne. Over the course of the century, the fragrance became increasingly popular.

Later, according to a legend, on 8 October 1792 a Carthusian monk made the merchant Wilhelm Muelhens (1762-1841) a wedding gift: the secret recipe of a so-called "aqua mirabilis", a "miracle water" for internal and external use. Muelhens then founded a small factory at Cologne's "Glockengasse" and established the first "Eau de Cologne" as a remedy.​

 

[Dunvegan]

http://www.faeriesfinest.com/E183.html
A birch beer flavoring?

Wow...you wizards are good...great find!

Very much liking the idea of the beer/hops note possibilities!

Thank you Sdh! I'll order this one also.

Any more ideas, oh ye Wizards of Vapenstein? I appreciate your assistance...invaluable.

My husband, who's major was chemistry, is looking at me askance with one raised Spock eyebrow regarding this quest.

Confessionally, I *am* beginning to feel a bit like a mad scientist in my DIY vapour juize laboratory!

 

[anavidfan]

4711, Imperiale by Guerlain, Cristalle , if you like those next time youre at a fragrance counter give Jo Malones "Verbenas of provence" a sniff. Jo Malone has quite a few clean, unisex type of fragrances that you can inhale without too much floral or sweet candy like fruits to knock you down.

 

[Dunvegan]

4711, Imperiale by Guerlain, Cristalle , if you like those next time youre at a fragrance counter give Jo Malones "Verbenas of provence" a sniff. Jo Malone has quite a few clean, unisex type of fragrances that you can inhale without too much floral or sweet candy like fruits to knock you down.

Intriguing. Sounds like my kind of fragrance. Thank you, anavidfan.

drool: <--Me scribbling this on the Xmas Hints short-list....)

 

[PONKAW]

FSUSA rocking chair always taste like walking into a leather shoe store for me. Like licking one of those huge chairs in a cigar shop... (ugh)

(if that helps)

 

[Dunvegan]

FSUSA rocking chair always taste like walking into a leather shoe store for me. Like licking one of those huge chairs in a cigar shop... (ugh)

(if that helps)

Great description, Ponkaw, lol...

...and, yes, it does help. I'm stalled and need suggestions that are out of the box.

Well, if that's what you're getting as the dominant nose from FSUSA Rocking Chair, it would be square in the ballpark for this alchemic quest I'm on.

Done deal...adding this to the Mad Science Procurement List...and thank you.

 

[chellemmm]

Dunvegan, I have only heard one other poster who wanted a leather flavoured vape!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/428696-i-have-strage-craving-vape.html

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

TFA's Black Honey Tobacco taste kinda like a light smooth leather to me (At 8%), so you might want to try that one sometime too!

 

[Dunvegan]

Dunvegan, I have only heard one other poster who wanted a leather flavoured vape!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/428696-i-have-strage-craving-vape.html

Interesting, chelle. Actually, I'm on a quest for a leatherish flavor as the possible missing link in the recipe I'm creating for a liquid that should come off dominantly (pun intended) with tobac, with very faint notes and finish of black pepper and leather.

So the amounts percentage-wise in the recipe may be something like: 98% tobac, 1% black pepper, and 1% leather.

Reminiscent of the old joke/instructions about how to make the perfect martini:

• Pour chilled gin in glass.
• Being careful not to get too close, or loosen the cap, from a 6 inches away wave the vermouth bottle over the glass.
• Imbibe.

Capt'n Ahab had his elusive "Moby D" obsession. Maybe we can call this recipe I'm chasing, the recipe that lives only in my chemistry-nerdy juize creation imagination, "Moby Dork!"

It's also interesting to contemplate that there might be an off-beat market out there for a true leather vape. Wow.

Hmmmm...If there's a market for stuffz like "pure leather juize"...

...just maybe I should get back to my work-nook and the pipettes and create a slew of weird signature juizes like "Leather Dork" for the rough trade, and "Blood Orange" for the vampire culture clientèle.

I can see it now: Introducing Blood Orange juice, now with REAL blood flavour!

Open a vapery artist's grotto. Or vape dungeon. Or a mad scientist's vaping lounge/laboratory!

TFA's Black Honey Tobacco taste kinda like a light smooth leather to me (At 8%), so you might want to try that one sometime too!

Thank you for the tip, AuroraO. I'll give Black Honey Tobacco a look for the ordering line-up.

I wonder how the honey notes would influence the vape flavour of the juice I have swirling around in my palate's imagination?

I appreciate your input in this mad adventure, AO. Cheers!