Apparently I need new batteries...again...3000mah just ain't cutting it

[Shadav]

ok so I'm totally eating through all of my batteries
granted I'm chain vaping like a .... at the moment
been using 0nic or 1mg lately, I enjoy vaping, it's relaxing and more or less a placebo

but dang man.... yesterday I had 6 batteries charging at the same time
apparently 3000mah just isn't enough so um suggestions on higher mah batteries???
I'm looking at the samsung 40t

21700/20700/18650 (I'm not sure if the ijoy capo squonk takes the 21700 though but the topside does)

lmfao I've killed all of my batteries
ijoy 20700 3000mah 40a (kind of doubt that rating, it came with the capo)
sony vtc6 x2
lg hd 4 x2
samsung 25r x2

[edit] oh and I only vape at 20w so I mean jesh.....

 

[Baditude]

3000 mAh is the highest capacity you'll find in an 18650 high drain battery. Any 18650 with more than 3000 mAh is not a high drain battery, but a high capacity ICR battery which will have under 6 amps continuous discharge rate. That's a current rating that is ineffective for 95% of our vaping requirements.

I'm not as familiar with the larger sized high drain batteries. According to Mooch's recommended battery chart, the 21700 size batteries would be your best bet for a higher mAh high drain battery. The Samsung 48G looks to be the best suited for your needs with 4800 mAh and up to 21 watts in a regulated mod.

• Samsung 48G 4800mAh 21700...rated 10A, about equal to Sanyo NCR20700B

 

[charlie1465]

Hi Shadav....why not get yourself a pod with some seriously high strength nic salts...tootle puff that every so often and it'll slow your chain vaping down

I vape freebase @ 18mg but I did reduce gradually down to 3mg at one stage...Result..yes you guessed it...severe chain vaping.... It wasn't just the nic either because I did it for about a year and the chaining didn't get better. IMO nic won't hurt you so why give it up

 

[Punk In Drublic]

20 watts is not very demanding – about 7amps on a single cell devices and roughly half that per battery for a dual cell device.

But there are a few other factors involved with battery life.

The iJoy Capo Squonker, if that is what you are using, has a voltage cut off of 3.48 volts as per DJLsb. ~3.5 volts is kinda high and will give the perception of poor battery life.

Also, not all battery’s of the same spec, as in 3000mAh operate the same. The 3000mAh spec is close to best case scenario and usually down to a much lower ~2.8 (ish) volts.

If you look at Mooch’s plotted graphs, take the VTC6 as an example, although the lowest current draw is 10 amps, we can use that as a guide to get a rough estimate. Draw a line from your cut off voltage of 3.5 volts to where the 10amp plot crosses, you can see you are only obtaining roughly 1300mAh…that’s less than half it’s rated 3000mAh. Not very long at all. And according to Mooch’s plots, a Samsung 30Q, also a 3000mAh battery, is even less (but not by any significant amount)

Nothing against the iJoy Capo, but it is not a very good device to gauge battery life with due to it’s high cut off voltage. The average cut off is ~3.2 volts. Some, like the Desire Rage, go even lower at 2.8(ish) volts.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Another good example – take the Sanyo NCR20700B. This is a 4000mAh cell, but looking at Mooch’s plotted graph we can see it does not perform any better (or longer) than the VTC6 or 30Q at a 3.5 volts cut off.

But if your cut off voltage was 3.2 volts, this battery would give a much extended life over the VTC6 and 30Q

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The LGHD 4 is a 2100mah cell.
The Samsung 25r is a 2500mah cell.

Both will have noticeably less run time than an actual 3000mah cell, even at 20w.

* Where are you buying your batteries?

To deplete 6 authentic cells in a day at 20w you must be blowing through 20-30+ml of liquid per day.
Might be a good idea to up the nic in attempt to reduce chain vaping.

Or, using some extraordinarily inefficient power devices.

 

[Shadav]

Hi Shadav....why not get yourself a pod with some seriously high strength nic salts...tootle puff that every so often and it'll slow your chain vaping down

I vape freebase @ 18mg but I did reduce gradually down to 3mg at one stage...Result..yes you guessed it...severe chain vaping.... It wasn't just the nic either because I did it for about a year and the chaining didn't get better. IMO nic won't hurt you so why give it up

lol I wasn't trying to but I've been at 3mg for a while and well now it's a bit much for me.... I don't plan on quitting nic but for when I'm just relaxing and chain vaping I want 0nic
and lmfao if a 3000mah battery isn't lasting me very long a pod would die in a heartbeat

The LGHD 4 is a 2100mah cell.
The Samsung 25r is a 2500mah cell.

Both will have noticeably less run time than an actual 3000mah cell, even at 20w.

* Where are you buying your batteries?

To deplete 6 authentic cells in a day at 20w you must be blowing through 20-30+ml of liquid per day.
Might be a good idea to up the nic in attempt to reduce chain vaping.

Or, using some extraordinarily inefficient power devices.

lol yes I've been eating through juice as well

I'm just vaping 0 - 1 nic while I'm sitting around the house and chain vaping while working on my site and relaxing but eating through batteries in an hour or two

I've been using the ijoy capo squonk this week and before I was using the dovpo topside and even with my normal vaping habits the batteries didn't last nearly as long as they "should"

I buy my batteries mostly from imrbatteries, I think I got the sony's from central vapor

 

[charlie1465]

lol I wasn't trying to but I've been at 3mg for a while and well now it's a bit much for me.... I don't plan on quitting nic but for when I'm just relaxing and chain vaping I want 0nic
and lmfao if a 3000mah battery isn't lasting me very long a pod would die in a heartbeat

Well I know it was a long shot Why the hell are you chain vaping zero nic liquid? But seriously with my DIY 36mg/ml liquid and the pod I just puff it occasionally....it would definitely be fit for the bin if I chainvaped it.....I do my daily and the POD

 

[bombastinator]

lol I wasn't trying to but I've been at 3mg for a while and well now it's a bit much for me.... I don't plan on quitting nic but for when I'm just relaxing and chain vaping I want 0nic
and lmfao if a 3000mah battery isn't lasting me very long a pod would die in a heartbeat



lol yes I've been eating through juice as well

I'm just vaping 0 - 1 nic while I'm sitting around the house and chain vaping while working on my site and relaxing but eating through batteries in an hour or two

I've been using the ijoy capo squonk this week and before I was using the dovpo topside and even with my normal vaping habits the batteries didn't last nearly as long as they "should"

I buy my batteries mostly from imrbatteries, I think I got the sony's from central vapor

An hour for a battery is really really fast. I start to get annoyed at 4 hours. Got to be a high power coil to do that. Maybe 1mg was too big a jump? Your business. Old batteries hold less juice. You got a ma readout on your charger?

In any case I’m liking the various suggestions of a milder build. If your batteries aren’t simply worn out there’s a decent chance you won’t be able to simply power though this one without taking some sort of steps.

I’ve never like the industry standard of the jump between 3mg/ml and zero. IMHO it should go more like 3, 2, 1.5, 1, .75, .5, .25, THEN zero. Maybe ditch some of the ones on the end if they turn out to be pointless. 3mg is too high a minimum though.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

The LGHD 4 is a 2100mah cell.
The Samsung 25r is a 2500mah cell.

Both will have noticeably less run time than an actual 3000mah cell, even at 20w.

* Where are you buying your batteries?

To deplete 6 authentic cells in a day at 20w you must be blowing through 20-30+ml of liquid per day.
Might be a good idea to up the nic in attempt to reduce chain vaping.

Or, using some extraordinarily inefficient power devices.

Although in theory yes, 3000mAh should give better life than 2100mAh. But depending on the device used, and the cells under test, this may not be the case.

Below picture: 4000mAh Sanyo performs much the same as a 3000mAh Sony at 3.5 volts which is roughly where the iJoy Capo cut’s off. Extend that to 3.2 volts and you can see there can be a vast difference between the cells.

The high cut off voltage of the iJoy is not allowing one to capitalize on any extended battery life with a higher mAh cell. There will be cells available that allow for extended use at 3.5volts, but their higher mAh rating is not necessarily a gauge for that.

 

[Shadav]

An hour for a battery is really really fast. I start to get annoyed at 4 hours. Got to be a high power coil to do that. Maybe 1mg was too big a jump? Your business. Old batteries hold less juice. You got a ma readout on your charger?

In any case I’m liking the various suggestions of a milder build. If your batteries aren’t simply worn out there’s a decent chance you won’t be able to simply power though this one without taking some sort of steps.

I’ve never like the industry standard of the jump between 3mg/ml and zero. IMHO it should go more like 3, 2, 1.5, 1, .75, .5, .25, THEN zero. Maybe ditch some of the ones on the end if they turn out to be pointless. 3mg is too high a minimum though.

just a .15ohm mesh
and no I need to invest in a better charger, just have standard 2 bay chargers with green/red lights lol

 

[bombastinator]

just a .15ohm mesh
and no I need to invest in a better charger, just have standard 2 bay chargers with green/red lights lol

So yes to high power, no to any hard information on battery age. This particular issue is exactly why people buy the more expensive chargers with better info readouts. Chain vaping a mesh coil? It must be foggy as hell in there.

 

[Shadav]

the sony are a few months, the samsung and lg are maybe a year the ijoy is brand new a week

it's a bit foggy

yeah need to be looking at a better charger and more slots than 2 bays

 

[Baditude]

the sony are a few months, the samsung and lg are maybe a year the ijoy is brand new a week

yeah need to be looking at a better charger and more slots than 2 bays

Time for new batteries and a new charger.

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[bombastinator]

the sony are a few months, the samsung and lg are maybe a year the ijoy is brand new a week

it's a bit foggy

yeah need to be looking at a better charger and more slots than 2 bays

I went whole hog and bought an Xtar dragon myself. Overkill probably, but it comes with its own little cloth case and if you fill it with charged batteries it will act as a battery bank on long car trips. Plus there’s lots of room for big batteries.

 

[charlie1465]

just a .15ohm mesh
and no I need to invest in a better charger, just have standard 2 bay chargers with green/red lights lol

Aaaah...that's probably the answer..either the charger isn't charging the batts properly or they're damaged...both things not good....I still think you should up the nicotine

 

[bombastinator]

the sony are a few months, the samsung and lg are maybe a year the ijoy is brand new a week

it's a bit foggy

yeah need to be looking at a better charger and more slots than 2 bays

Another possibly overkill fussy bit is the use of a sharpie. Sharpies we’re origionally designed for use on scientific equipment. You can mark a piece of glassware and have it go through an autoclave. There’s a plasticizer in the ink that allows it to stick to glass and plastic, and it’s heat resistant. Great for marking dates and “marriages” on batteries.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Fully support dating batteries, either on the cell it self or on a running document. But a Sharpie is not always a permanent solution, depends on the wrap. Some last, some wipe within a day or 2.

This does not always work either which will depend on the dimension of your cells, and or the tolerances of the battery compartments within your devices. But I use painters tape with the date written on it. And have seen some use a label maker. I also have a running document of the cells date, and where purchased.

 

[bombastinator]

Fully support dating batteries, either on the cell it self or on a running document. But a Sharpie is not always a permanent solution, depends on the wrap. Some last, some wipe within a day or 2.

This does not always work either which will depend on the dimension of your cells, and or the tolerances of the battery compartments within your devices. But I use painters tape with the date written on it. And have seen some use a label maker. I also have a running document of the cells date, and where purchased.

Do have to make sure it’s dry first. I have had it smear though.

 

[Don29palms]

The only batteries I use are Samsung 25R (18650) and 30T (21700). At this point I pretty much only use mech mods.