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oh, c'mon, you can give me more of an answer than that.
Since I don't really care about hardware, and am mainly here to buy eLiquid and potentially DIY for my boyfriend, the only ones I regularly check is ELiquid discussion, Eliquid reviews and the PIF forum.
Gimme the breakdown from your perspective. I don't doubt you, but it seems like all the people I've read here are consumers-- though no doubt there's some paid reviews and I expect that when reading reviews of anything.
For my part, regarding reviews: I look at consistency. And ease of ordering. it doesn't do me (since I have to deal with the back and forth between smoking and vaping) and my boyfriend any good to have him fall in love with something that is constantly out of stock, i.e. Pluid or Boba's Bounty. It's hard enough ordering from Backwoods Brew, but luckily he likes a few from them so if something is out he has a couple of back-ups. I should count myself infinitely lucky that he is capricious in his tastes and not stuck on one flavor, so as long as he has a few to bounce between he's good. On the flip-side though, he's an absolute b-word now that he's tried several different vaping set-ups and so what he doesn't spend buying and discarding eLiquid he makes up for twice a year buying an expensive e-cig. The latest purchase was the provari, and he's already on a waiting list for a pretty spiffy variable wattage.
But I digress-- if there's several people who like a certain product but also a few people who chime in with dissenting opinions, I feel like it's more likely that he will like it. If I chose according to what his stated tastes were, he would have never tried ectoplasm by one of the many who carry it, but more surprising is that he actually like ecto-chill which he would NOT have ever chosen for himself. Reviews helped me with that as well as locating Casablanca and Malty Toffee via Backwoods Brew.
I couldn't be happier to finally have him try Mt Baker Vapor (here's crossing my fingers he really likes at least one of their juices)-- review-wise, how can you argue with a 700+ page thread? They can't all be business-driven. And luckily, there's none of that AlienVision's nonsense, and we can perhaps move away from the slow-feeling turn-around of BB and the limited ability to order around how much they can handle vs. vacation-time.
Since I don't really care about hardware, and am mainly here to buy eLiquid and potentially DIY for my boyfriend, the only ones I regularly check is ELiquid discussion, Eliquid reviews and the PIF forum.
Gimme the breakdown from your perspective. I don't doubt you, but it seems like all the people I've read here are consumers-- though no doubt there's some paid reviews and I expect that when reading reviews of anything.
For my part, regarding reviews: I look at consistency. And ease of ordering. it doesn't do me (since I have to deal with the back and forth between smoking and vaping) and my boyfriend any good to have him fall in love with something that is constantly out of stock, i.e. Pluid or Boba's Bounty. It's hard enough ordering from Backwoods Brew, but luckily he likes a few from them so if something is out he has a couple of back-ups. I should count myself infinitely lucky that he is capricious in his tastes and not stuck on one flavor, so as long as he has a few to bounce between he's good. On the flip-side though, he's an absolute b-word now that he's tried several different vaping set-ups and so what he doesn't spend buying and discarding eLiquid he makes up for twice a year buying an expensive e-cig. The latest purchase was the provari, and he's already on a waiting list for a pretty spiffy variable wattage.
But I digress-- if there's several people who like a certain product but also a few people who chime in with dissenting opinions, I feel like it's more likely that he will like it. If I chose according to what his stated tastes were, he would have never tried ectoplasm by one of the many who carry it, but more surprising is that he actually like ecto-chill which he would NOT have ever chosen for himself. Reviews helped me with that as well as locating Casablanca and Malty Toffee via Backwoods Brew.
I couldn't be happier to finally have him try Mt Baker Vapor (here's crossing my fingers he really likes at least one of their juices)-- review-wise, how can you argue with a 700+ page thread? They can't all be business-driven. And luckily, there's none of that AlienVision's nonsense, and we can perhaps move away from the slow-feeling turn-around of BB and the limited ability to order around how much they can handle vs. vacation-time.
Girlfriend, I get the impression that you rely on reviews heavily for making the purchases. If I'm correct in my assumption, what would you say your "success rate" is on meeting your expectations based on the product review? One for one? 8 out of 10? 1 out of 10?
maybe 50-70%, and nothing that I've gotten for him has been unvapeable (though there were some juicy vapor's that I just went by juice description rather than reviews--some of those ended up getting wasted, but the good ones I'm pretty sure were reviewed well enough--watermelon, ectoplasm, and B52.) I'm pretty sure the one thing he got from Backwoods that he didn't finish half of was something he himself bought, which was Bacco. I found two favorites (Malty Toffee and Casablanca), and a backup (Adirondike.) I think there was a BB honey flue tobacco he didn't like but only because he doesn't like honey. However, I am intent on buying him Blue Honey (I think that's VapeDudes) because one thing that I find with tastes is even though you may not like a honey product from one place (not even speaking just about vaping but about buying food or something taste specific in general) doesn't mean that you won't like a honey product from another place-- and perhaps blueberry honey will strike his fancy where honey tobacco does not.
At that point of buying those tobacco juices, I'd spent maybe three nights researching KickBass and Backwoods and wound up going with Backwoods because I think there was a special at that time; they were otherwise pretty even with reviews.
I'm pretty sure he himself bought gorilla juice and boba's bounty and wasn't impressed. I'd have a better answer for you in about a month once he's had a chance to go through what he himself bought (at my suggestion for the brand's based on reviews, he chose the flavors based on testing them) and what I've bought but needs to steep. In my mind, with how picky my boyfriend is, I think I've done pretty well but one thing that we are BOTH .... retentive about is reading as many reviews (from different forums and places on the net) and watching as many review videos as possible, to the point of ad nauseum. I'm actually glad I didn't find the massive MBV thread because if I had, I guarantee I would have read at least 300 pages, taken notes, before making an order. I've only read about fifty pages now but have a list of maybe 15 based off of the consistency in people mentioning them as must-haves, i.e. mudslide, whipped cream, sticky icky, etc. Once he has had a chance to try several of the flavors I currently have bought for him, and I can gauge his tastes better in relation to the the flavor/strength/increased PG compared to other eLiquid he has, then I will refer back to that list and make a second purchase. I collect things as well, so in my mind, researching is half the pleasure. And being able to surprise my boyfriend with already steeped juice is the other half, taken hand in hand with fresher breath from him not smoking
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At that point of buying those tobacco juices, I'd spent maybe three nights researching KickBass and Backwoods and wound up going with Backwoods because I think there was a special at that time; they were otherwise pretty even with reviews.
I'm pretty sure he himself bought gorilla juice and boba's bounty and wasn't impressed. I'd have a better answer for you in about a month once he's had a chance to go through what he himself bought (at my suggestion for the brand's based on reviews, he chose the flavors based on testing them) and what I've bought but needs to steep. In my mind, with how picky my boyfriend is, I think I've done pretty well but one thing that we are BOTH .... retentive about is reading as many reviews (from different forums and places on the net) and watching as many review videos as possible, to the point of ad nauseum. I'm actually glad I didn't find the massive MBV thread because if I had, I guarantee I would have read at least 300 pages, taken notes, before making an order. I've only read about fifty pages now but have a list of maybe 15 based off of the consistency in people mentioning them as must-haves, i.e. mudslide, whipped cream, sticky icky, etc. Once he has had a chance to try several of the flavors I currently have bought for him, and I can gauge his tastes better in relation to the the flavor/strength/increased PG compared to other eLiquid he has, then I will refer back to that list and make a second purchase. I collect things as well, so in my mind, researching is half the pleasure. And being able to surprise my boyfriend with already steeped juice is the other half, taken hand in hand with fresher breath from him not smoking
Off to pick up my three packages of vapemail
That would be nice. If you're throwing out $30 for every $100 you spend, I suppose it's okay. 50/50 is a tad excessive. Might as well be flipping a coin at the shopping site.
I think it's a good question to ask yourself.
It seems to me your doing what a lot of us did in the beginning..search for the perfect juice.The bad news is it doesn't exist.If you smoked cigarettes did you buy a pack everyday, smoke one than throw the rest of the pack away because u didn't like it.I know I didn't.
My best advice would be to get some pg and vg along with a bunch of small bottles of flavoring and mix a few batches yourself, like you mentioned earlier.It's not that hard to do and you'll probably come up with something you really like.Just remember to clean your sink or tub well as it will affect the taste,I've bought some juices where the vendor omitted this important step.
My best advice would be to get some pg and vg along with a bunch of small bottles of flavoring and mix a few batches yourself, like you mentioned earlier.It's not that hard to do and you'll probably come up with something you really like.Just remember to clean your sink or tub well as it will affect the taste,I've bought some juices where the vendor omitted this important step.
You mentioned in an earlier post to check other sites. Can you say which? I am new and if a long time member such as yourself says this site is run by vendors and not users I would like to see what you're talking about for myself. Thanks in advance!
That would be nice. If you're throwing out $30 for every $100 you spend, I suppose it's okay. 50/50 is a tad excessive. Might as well be flipping a coin at the shopping site.
I think it's a good question to ask yourself.
I'm a little bit confused. What do you all do when you want to buy new juice? Go by the company description only? Why wouldn't people research, even a little bit, to get an impression of what is being said about the product-- even if they were to take that with a grain of salt?
Very little is getting tossed out. What's gotten tossed out so far has mostly been my boyfriend's choices (*grin*) or a few of the small sample sizes I got from Juicy, which I don't really mind, because at $2.50 a sample, even if I got twenty, he vaped completely a dozen of those (trying the other 8 and not finishing the bottle) and reordered maybe two or three, I'd still call that a win since that only happens once or twice a year. Plus, now that I'm in super-nag mode, I'll make sure whatever he isn't going to use, even if they are samples, go onto the PIF/trade forum. One bottle of Ecto was either mixed wrong or he didn't shake it and so he sucked out all the flavoring but grape so a half-bottle loss is so far the biggest loss.
I'm still confused if I'm missing out on some telepathic link or something though-- Neither of us have liked any of the several vape shops we've gone to, save one and that one is over an hour away. He has two friends who vape but their tastes run to the local vape shop, and he was not impressed at all with their juices. The alternative, if not reviews, is to just blindly pick, which frankly I doubt people are doing unless they've just started vaping and don't know the extensive amount of information available. Unless you're just going all metaphysical on me, in which case, yes, one should always self-question oneself to reevaluate one's path and choices.
Chuckie: I know there isn't a perfect juice, and even if there was, my boyfriend would grow sick of it. But he does need several he can rotate in and out-- at the moment, he's rotating backwoods brew, mad murdock, & standard vape-- backwoods brew will likely be reordered and we'll see about the rest. I put in an order with Juicy but I think I'm going to discontinue them in favor of one of the top reviewed companies (perhaps Halo, or Alice), but I'm also introducing Mt. Baker, and then tiny samples for Quick Nic, Virgin Vapor, Mom&Pop's and one other one who's name escapes me into the line up-- these should all keep him occupied for several months.
However, I did buy several flavorings from Mt. Baker as well as a large bottle of VG juice. Eventually he can get the nic and the testing kit, but considering he has so many juices at the moment, and flavoring, and vg juice-- I think this will be that springboard for him. I wasn't sure what you were talking about with the "clean your sink or tub" comment. I'm under the assumption one mixes in bottles and then sets aside to let them steep if they're complex flavors, though VG also takes awhile to "grip" the flavor, yes?
Returning to the topic at hand-- I did receive in my Mt Baker vapemail a letter that did a good job from the sales techniques reminding people to facebook like, spread the word, and youtube. But I was slightly offput by one line in the letter.
"If you would like a $10 off coupon for your next order you can upload a video to YouTube talking about your positive experience you had with us."
Obviously, if you don't have a positive experience with a company, you're less likely to order from them again and thus not need a $10/next order discount. But there's so many variables to take into consideration, and some things could be bad, and some things good--and yet a person, even with a mixed impression could still choose to order again from that vendor. Phrasing it like that in their letter I think lends a "give us a positive review in order to get the $10 off" even though I don't think MBV is trying to strong arm people like that....yet the line was still just a bit unsavory, enough that I hope they change that line that all experiences will get the discount-- since, recording and uploading should be rewarded, instead of it seeming like it being a bribe for a 100% positive review. Disclaimer: I like linguistics and wordplay; most will probably not give this level of attention to language in a letter attached to a receipt.
I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it's something that I've run into with businesses previously wanting people to post reviews to Yelp.com... I don't particularly care for it. I would rather discounts be attached to bringing in business via friends or having people mention that they heard about the company via a particular youtube vid.
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Girlfriend,
that was a long read, I had to set away some time. You make a really good point about borderline bribe from the vendors. It's not uncommon. There are various schemes, such as points/discounts/rewards for vetted reviews on verndor's sites, facebook likes, youTube clips, referrals, etc... Personally, to answer my own question on the "success rate" based on reviews...well, mine is 2 out of 10. 20% of all purchases being [relative] keepers with 80% wasting my time and money reading/watching/etc. Mind you, I'm basing this primarily on revisiting the "reviews" that turned me on to purchase a certain product.
For an ultimate experience DIY is the way to go, no doubt. But there is something to be said for the true artists that mix phenomenal e-liquids worth experiencing. I'm not talking about things that glow that you would fill your lungs with IF someone can recommend a vendor whose juice contains similar characteristics regardless of being opened for 1 month or 3 months, or it being 24mg or 6mg, my ears are open. Yet, the sophistication and reliability is simply lacking in this massive one-sided generic feedback. And ain't that the truth..
that was a long read, I had to set away some time. You make a really good point about borderline bribe from the vendors. It's not uncommon. There are various schemes, such as points/discounts/rewards for vetted reviews on verndor's sites, facebook likes, youTube clips, referrals, etc... Personally, to answer my own question on the "success rate" based on reviews...well, mine is 2 out of 10. 20% of all purchases being [relative] keepers with 80% wasting my time and money reading/watching/etc. Mind you, I'm basing this primarily on revisiting the "reviews" that turned me on to purchase a certain product.
For an ultimate experience DIY is the way to go, no doubt. But there is something to be said for the true artists that mix phenomenal e-liquids worth experiencing. I'm not talking about things that glow that you would fill your lungs with
IF someone can recommend a vendor whose juice contains similar characteristics regardless of being opened for 1 month or 3 months, or it being 24mg or 6mg, my ears are open. Yet, the sophistication and reliability is simply lacking in this massive one-sided generic feedback. And ain't that the truth..
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I'm convinced that people's individual vape tastes are so different that reviews are pretty much useless as far as individual flavors are concerned. What one person likes another doesn't. I think that perceptions of the quality of a BRAND of eliquid is a little more valid. I don't trust reviews on a seller's website because it seems they are all 4 or 5 stars--the 1, 2, and 3's get deleted quickly I bet.
I've only used Dk-tab from Dekang or Hangsen, 36mg. for the last 4 years.I received 2 gal. of free vg from proctor and gamble a few years back,so now I order 1000mls. at a time from China and cut the 36mg.down with vg about 1/4 to 24mg.the total cost comes to about 6 cents a mil. which is cheaper than I can make it for totally from scratch.I've tried to find that particular recipie for almost 4 years and no ones been able to help.
I would think with that list of flavors you posted you could come up with some good stuff that you would really like.Everyone's taste is different,whatever juice keeps you off cigs is the best juice there is.Thanks for the flavor link
I've only used Dk-tab from Dekang or Hangsen, 36mg. for the last 4 years.I received 2 gal. of free vg from proctor and gamble a few years back,so now I order 1000mls. at a time from China and cut the 36mg.down with vg about 1/4 to 24mg.the total cost comes to about 6 cents a mil. which is cheaper than I can make it for totally from scratch.I've tried to find that particular recipie for almost 4 years and no ones been able to help.
I would think with that list of flavors you posted you could come up with some good stuff that you would really like.Everyone's taste is different,whatever juice keeps you off cigs is the best juice there is.Thanks for the flavor link
There are also these guys, although I'm not certain if you can get them in the States Flavourart - La sartoria degli aromi, aromi alimentari e per sigaretta elettronica made in Italy edit: look for their flavors, not e-cig liquids... although i hear that this is the flavor brand favored by few who manufacture liquids in the states... don't have any way to verify that info. sorry.
I think one of my primary challenges would be to find a good nicotine solution vendor whose stuff doesn't taste like pepper. I'd love to know who Halo's supplier is
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I've heard good things about wizard labs but I haven't used them myself.If you have, please fill us in.
I have not, but just checked them out and the description says: "We buy in bulk and pass the savings on to you."
Doesn't inspire much confidence. When I read this my brain translates "Made in China".
I wanna read the description that says "we make it in our blah blah blah certified lab that used to make truth serum to interrogate chuck norris"
EDIT: NOOOOOOOOOO!!! Oh shoot, i'm such a pots... i was reading store description of wizard labs product, not the actual wizard labs... ... looking up the company now, no verdict yet, yikes... that was ...embarrassing..
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For what it is Worth.
I have used Both of these Nicotine Suppliers. Both were Very High Quality.
Xtreme Vaping Nic Liquid
Nicotine Extract
zoiDman, thanks for the recommendation
RE: Wizard labs
I don't see them listed on FDA site Establishment Registration & Device Listing
That's as far as i go. If they're registered under different name, I'd love to know
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RE: Wizard labs
I don't see them listed on FDA site Establishment Registration & Device Listing
That's as far as i go. If they're registered under different name, I'd love to know
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Establishment Registration Name : Wizard Labs State in which Establishment is located : FL Country in which Establishment is located : UNITED STATES
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zoiDman, thanks for the recommendation
RE: Wizard labs
I don't see them listed on FDA site Establishment Registration & Device Listing
That's as far as i go. If they're registered under different name, I'd love to know
FDA Home
Medical Devices
Databases
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0 results found
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Establishment Registration Name : Wizard Labs State in which Establishment is located : FL Country in which Establishment is located : UNITED STATES
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I am Not Familiar with that Data Base. But it appears to be a Medical Data Base.
I don't believe that a e-Cigarette Nicotine Supplier can Sell Nicotine as a Medical Entity.
If they are registered, they should be there..
say it right on their website "Wizard Labs is an FDA registered facility located in South Florida, USA"
Wizard Labs
they could certainly have a parent company, however would be nice to look at the company record and origin of raw materials
say it right on their website "Wizard Labs is an FDA registered facility located in South Florida, USA"
Wizard Labs
they could certainly have a parent company, however would be nice to look at the company record and origin of raw materials
Yeah... But the Link you posted was for FDA Home \ Medical Devices \ Databases
I don't think the Reference that Wizards Lab is referring to is a Medical Device. You can Register with the FDA in a Lot of Different Ways.
If you have Questions or Concerns, perhaps the best thing would be to e-Mail Wizard Labs and ask them.
I just use their Nicotine Base.
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