I was wondering what peoples perspective on regulating e-cigarettes. I definitely believe e cigs and juices should not be available to minors, but should it be banned altogether? I can't see why. Can anyone else?
Are e-cigs going to be illegal?
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Change will come. But "they" can't ban batteries, wires, coils, cotton or rayon, glycerin, glycol, and tobacco in it's various forms. I wasn't around during prohibition, but folks still got their alcohol. Where there is a will there is a way. Those who can tinker with electronics, or are willing to mix their own juice will be vaping no matter what "they" ban.
I second this, If vaping is banned I will still be vaping. If liquid is banned, ill make my own. If mods and equipment go down the shoot, ill find a way. If I had to choose between smoking and nothing I would be choosing nothing.
The problem is that the proposed regulations (Here in the US, at both federal and local levels) DON't make vaping safer for the public.
They will require an extensive and very expensive registration/approval process ($330,000 PER PRODUCT by the FDA's own estimate)
They will raise the price of e-cigarettes, dramatically by some proposals.
They will create a business model under which most e-cig suppliers (both B+Ms and online) will not be able to operate.
If regulations to make these "safer for the public" succeed, the only e-cigs you will be able to purchase are the gas-station cigalikes made by BT, with expensive, non-refillable cartridges at low nic levels, and with an extremely limited range of flavors.
They won't ban them outright, they will just create a regulatory and tax environment that will reduce our choices to basically zero.
Do you REALLY want the FDA to be telling you what can and can't be in your e-cigarette? Can't you do your own homework?
To the OP; Canada is different (I believe) as they actually seem to be banning nic liquids (at least for import). Unclear to me how that is going to play out!
Read the responses to your own thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-warning-may-harmful-fatal-if-swallowed.html
And you think the government is the best way to do that? Why not go to a local B&M and ask them for advice on how to prevent the issue? What you're proposing would eliminate (IMHO) all the drippers on the market, as well as prohibit selling bottles of e-liquid, because after all, if you have a bottle of e-liquid you might accidentally squirt some of it in your mouth (or eye).
Must the rest of the world "pad it's sharp corners" just for you?
I often get covered in liquid when cleaning my subtank as well as mixing diy (not with nicotine though)had a new flavour today and first thing I done was taste a drop! lets hope I don't keel over & die anytime soon.
They should not be banned. I think alot of this comes from big tobacco companies and lobbyists that dont want to lose out.
If anything, I would expect the various forms of government (federal, state, local) will figure out a way to attach "sin" taxes on it much like they already do with tobacco. They will probably use the same justification that nicotine is derived from tobacco, therefore it is a tobacco product, that they use to say that e-cigs should be regulated. It's just another revenue stream for them. They did the same thing with VOIP phones. When I first signed up for Vonage, VOIP was not taxed like regular phone service was, so on a $14.95 monthly charge, my total bill was just over $16. Once the government started tacking telecom taxes onto VOIP, my bill ballooned to over $22 a month by the time I cancelled the service and went to using cell phones only. So instead of paying $8-$10 for a bottle of e-juice, we probably will need to pay $15 for the same bottle.
the can and will ban the if they so choose to do so.
the same as sudifed. they will make a list of prohibited uses,
make all purchases point of sale and,require an I.D..
manufacturers and distributors will be required to insure
bulk buyers are not using using materials to make banned items.
pharmaceutical grade nicotine will be banned to all except whats
allowed to specific industries requiring it. over seas sales will be
blocked by customs as it has been done before.
i am not saying this is what would happen but,it could happen
if the FDA hands every thing over to BT when all we'll have is
tamper proof pre-filled carto's and cigalike batts.
regards
mike
ecigs will be around for a long time no matter what the government tries to do.
The problem comes from trying to relate nic e-liquid with cigarettes, which many areas have tried to do using bizarre numbers.
You take some of the cigalikes - with a 1.5ml cartridge, they claim that is equal to a pack of cigarettes.
So a 15-ml bottle could conceivably be taxed like a carton of cigarettes (A carton is over $100 here, the vast majority of which is the tax).
Still happy paying an $80 "sin-tax" on a 15-ml bottle of e-liquid?
It will never happen, it is already too mainstream. Taxation and Regulation will definitely happen because the gov't is losing revenue since more and more people are quitting smoking. That regulation will be pretty simple, similar to cigarettes but it will come with so much red tape that only the big boys with deep pockets can go to market, ie BT.
BUT! Since vaping is so vast and also basic, there is no simple way to regulate DIY so buying parts and liquids over the net should always be a possibility. Sure, there will be some hurdles here and there but nothing the determined will not figure out.
BUT! Since vaping is so vast and also basic, there is no simple way to regulate DIY so buying parts and liquids over the net should always be a possibility. Sure, there will be some hurdles here and there but nothing the determined will not figure out.
Ita there's no way to control people who diy. Right now I feel pretty safe, as I have enough nicotine and gear to last years.
Things aren't so rosy for smokers who want to switch, though. I switched because it was simple to do so. If stuff hadn't been easily available, I'd still be smoking. That's probably true for most smokers.
We see this all too often. The government instituted the CAFE standards to improve mileage and protect a limited natural resource. Now that cars are much more fuel efficient, the government is worried that gax tax revenues are falling, so they are now looking at taxing people based on the miles they drive rather than the gas they purchase.
Anyone with access to the internet can make pretty decent vodka in their own kitchen for about $9 a gallon. It is no more complicated than baking a good loaf of bread.
I'm not advocating that anyone do this as it is illegal in most places.
Regulations are already here and only going to get more onerous.
It would therefore behoove me to learn all I can about how e-cigs work, how to make e-liquid, how to be safe with batteries, how to wind coils,etc.
I don't really want to do all this, Iam quite happy with my Nauty Mini and I-stick and Juice I buy on-line--but I recognize that it may become nessesary.
Iam extremely grateful that all the info I may need is right here on this site.
I'm not advocating that anyone do this as it is illegal in most places.
Regulations are already here and only going to get more onerous.
It would therefore behoove me to learn all I can about how e-cigs work, how to make e-liquid, how to be safe with batteries, how to wind coils,etc.
I don't really want to do all this, Iam quite happy with my Nauty Mini and I-stick and Juice I buy on-line--but I recognize that it may become nessesary.
Iam extremely grateful that all the info I may need is right here on this site.
The sponsors of this bill are surely getting their palms greased by the ID service..This is a parenting issue, not a government issue. I can afford the $6.00 but it is one foot in the door where the government does not belong.
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As a customer of ours, we try not to overburden you with messages, but we have been making a concerted effort to try and help inform our consumers around the nation about important government developments that threaten your ability to use electronic cigarettes and other vapor products.
SB - 97 this would ban the sales of vapor product to minors, which we fully support, but would also severely restrict internet sales, which we oppose. These unnecessarily harsh restrictions on internet sales include requiring every single order to a Texas resident be sent using an ID check service that costs $6.
ACT NOW!
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Received from MBV.
URGENT:
Bill Threatens to Impose Harsh Restrictions on Internet Sales
As a customer of ours, we try not to overburden you with messages, but we have been making a concerted effort to try and help inform our consumers around the nation about important government developments that threaten your ability to use electronic cigarettes and other vapor products.
SB - 97 this would ban the sales of vapor product to minors, which we fully support, but would also severely restrict internet sales, which we oppose. These unnecessarily harsh restrictions on internet sales include requiring every single order to a Texas resident be sent using an ID check service that costs $6.
ACT NOW!
With an issue as important as this, we are asking that you not only send an email, but make phone calls to the Senate Health & Human Services Committee representatives asking that they amend these bills to remove the unnecessary hurdles to adult access to vapor products online.
SB 97 - Send Email
Senate Health & Human Services Committee 1 (512) 4630360
Senator & Representatives - Find Your Representative
Please be courteous and respectful at all times. They may know very little about vapor products, so educate them and ask them to support your position politely for best results.
THANK YOU
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