Are genesis tanks dead? I've got a few collecting dust?

[Vaslovik]

I've got close but I haven't been able to hit on a gennie with ekowool. Probably because I want them to work like a gennie that doesn't need tilted, doesn't choke and doesn't leak. It seems to be a very fine line getting a silica wick to fit right to do that.

I'm sure if I was willing to go with a tilt and drip dripper it would be easy.

I'm out to open the wick hole on a T2. My last wick was in there so long the tube was plugged and it ripped when I tried to open it up (with no burn holes from shorting).

Well I've never had to tilt my gennies, ever, and I've come to regard that practice as a cultural affectation and an effort to look cool. I've never used Ekowool in my gennies, nothing but mesh and I've never had wicking issues either. I've heard one posting here say that gravity works against you in mesh wicks and gennies, but for the life of me I can't see that it ever has for me. Gravity seems no obstacle at all in my builds, so perhaps I've come up with the anti-gravity vape.

RE: the T2, that was my first genny, and it was a cantankerous device to be sure. You can ground out your wick on the bottom of it, and the thumbscrews are a pain to deal with. I'm much happier with my RSST which solved both of those issues, and others.

 

[Vaslovik]

it really is best to learn how to properly build a genny without having to resort to cotton/silica. there's tons of different ways to build it, and it's worth trying them all out. i use a variation of the petar k method. super simple and get builds done in 5-10 mins

I do the same, and it's always worked great for me. I use a plastic Q-tip stick instead of a drill bit, but it works just as well, and it's cheaper than a drill bit

I totally agree that it's best to learn how to build a genny as a genny, and not as a jury-rigged dripper which is something it's not and was never designed for, but I guess if you can't master making a mesh wick, for some reason, that's all you have left. GrimmGreen got snotty with me about this, saying he made 40 wicks and they all sucked so I'm wrong and he's right. No, he just can't make a wick for beans, and has to bag on mesh to account for his failure.

 

[Vaslovik]

the points made here are my gripe with this hobby.

a lot of guys claim to be coil building pros, but show them a genny with a sheet of mesh and they quiver in fear.

Yeah, ain't that a hoot? It never occurs to them that so many people get really great results with mesh, so it can be done and it's not that hard. If they can't do it then mesh is horrible rotten junk that doesn't wick for crap and tastes like crap and on they go bashing mesh for all they are worth, when the truth is it's their own ineptitude that's the problem.

At least they can still claim to be vaping masters by resorting to the cotton cop-out, a practice that has sadly become very widespread.

 

[BuzzKilla]

on the subject of mesh....

mesh wicks can literally be put into ANYTHING!


Omega by VaporBombz: Dripper

Estia by GusMods: Tri-coil Kayfun type tank

ERA by BudzWorx: Bottom-Feed Dripper

*this is not to gloat, but to inform....
with enough patience and some determination, mesh can be used in ANY setup.

The bonus of not having to swap cotton every other day, or deal with silica is why love my SS Mesh setups.

 

[Vaslovik]

Wow, now that's vaping art! I'm impressed!

 

[BuzzKilla]

That tri-coil setup started off as...

a fellow vaper - "there is no way mesh will work in this tank."

me - "HA! Just watch me."

 

[jswag5]

i just got my first genni this week, it is better imo than anything else i have tried.

i must be one of the lucky ones because it wicks well on my second build. kraken with stainless steel cable with 28 g 4/3 wrap at about .6 ohms.


dont think anything else will do for me at least at this time

 

[Jeffk123]

I only have one Genny and that is the steam turbine, it was too much of a pain to learn on for me to give it up now, I drilled out the deck, drilled out the air holes and run it in auto drip mode I think it gives me better flavor than my Kayfun ever will. I don't think gennys are dead people just found an easier way to get a good vape ie tiafun and kayfuns.

 

[WattWick]

That Genisis Epiphany by Phil Busardo was a beauty to watch. Sort of a love letter to every gennie lover out there. Exactly what I'm sure we all love to hear; "I was doing it wrong... now I get it".

 

[Vaslovik]

That Genisis Epiphany by Phil Busardo was a beauty to watch. Sort of a love letter to every gennie lover out there. Exactly what I'm sure we all love to hear; "I was doing it wrong... now I get it".

Yeah, Phil is my vaping muse, and I'm a big fan. I downloaded that video and watch it every so often

 

[Myk]

the points made here are my gripe with this hobby.

a lot of guys claim to be coil building pros, but show them a genny with a sheet of mesh and they quiver in fear.
They have no problems gloating to a newby on how awesome their cotton build is, while blowing it in their face....
And how super knowledge they are after only a few weeks of quitting analogs.

AND what erks me the most... Most of the people that fit this category work behind vape shop counters.

It's mind blowing!

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LOL, that's my local, although the guy behind the counter doesn't claim to be a pro. But the guy who taught a basic building class kind of does (not overly so where his way is the only way) and all he builds for the owner with gennies as far as I've seen are tilt and drip gennies with cotton.
I've been tempted to go up and show him how easy and good it can be but I don't want to get roped into teaching a class, I'm not into public speaking.

I don't knock what people want to build but if you're going to be people's first line into advanced ecigs you really should learn gennies with mesh at least. I don't think they even stock mesh.

Well I've never had to tilt my gennies, ever, and I've come to regard that practice as a cultural affectation and an effort to look cool. I've never used Ekowool in my gennies, nothing but mesh and I've never had wicking issues either. I've heard one posting here say that gravity works against you in mesh wicks and gennies, but for the life of me I can't see that it ever has for me. Gravity seems no obstacle at all in my builds, so perhaps I've come up with the anti-gravity vape.

RE: the T2, that was my first genny, and it was a cantankerous device to be sure. You can ground out your wick on the bottom of it, and the thumbscrews are a pain to deal with. I'm much happier with my RSST which solved both of those issues, and others.

Same with my mesh. I've even left them in the stand and vaped to make sure the bubble rises. I even use as much VG as possible and tend towards the thick side of things and don't have a problem with gravity or wicking.
But I do think if I could hit on the exact size of ekowool it would be a pretty good vape. What I've tried tasted great it just couldn't keep up or it leaks. The time it loses for rewicking it would make up for with a lack of shorts.

I actually like the T2's the best as far as building. After getting a Kraken and a Pulse, modifying them and changing my TD to a single I've decided bigger wicks are better.
I don't think grounding out the wick on the bottom is a real issue. It's going to be grounded out on the deck worse except on an RSST. That's a great improvement for gennies but it's not needed.
I love the thumb screws compared to the washer on the Kraken and absolutely hate the floating post on the Pulse.

One of these days I'm going to order a tube from IBTanked and make my own. It will be the solid thimble like Kraken and Pulse, center post nuts of UD, fill plug of RSST (I've modified the TD and Kraken to take an RSST plug and the Pulse gets similar) and that will be the only other hole except the wick.
The bad thing is I want it to fit in my VTR so I may not have room to get the wick size I want with enough room to the center post to get a twist in ribbon (with the Pulse I have to use round wire because I can't cut the post down like I did with the Kraken washer).

 

[BuzzKilla]

i wont hate on a guy for building a tank in whatever way works for them...
you do what you have to do to keep your money out of the trash, i get that.

but if have to be arrogant about an opinion, then that is when i have a problem with it....

i just simply reply... "how about you just admit you don't know how to do it properly?"

that usually quiets them down.

 

[Vaslovik]

i just simply reply... "how about you just admit you don't know how to do it properly?"

that usually quiets them down.

I tried that with GrimmGreen and he and his buddies just got nasty with me for it. I lost all respect for the guy after that. What a joke to see him reviewing gennies on YT, when he can't build one right to save his life.

 

[Myk]

I don't know how I came to my gennie building abilities.
I guess it just clicked after so many builds and a couple that took a long time of poking to calm down.
I really think people's gennie problem is a lack of patience (or all building problems for that matter).

My first one (Mini-DID clone to test the gennie waters) with ribbon wasn't too good but wasn't that bad. Then I couldn't build ribbon on mesh to save my life. I went with round wire for a while and it was good.
Round started lacking flavor so I decided to try ribbon again and that was it. Suddenly nothing with a gennie was a problem. Even went back to my AGA which I wrote off as hopeless for shorting. Round wire really isn't a problem to build now and whatever it was lacking isn't lacking on my Pulse.

I've come to doing a blend of torching the wick (but not quenching) and pulsing to get it good enough. I wrap directly on the wick. After pulsing and poking to get any bad hot spots out I vape a tank, sometimes with a lower voltage than normal if it's stubborn.

The only real epiphany I had was when I made a tight wick and at some point with the fill plug out to get it to feed I figured out the wick was too tight by comparing it to one that was working.
Today's build took very little pulsing and poking before I put some in the tank to get a carbon build up. No hot spot problem vaping at my usual voltage. Once this half tank is done I'll dry burn, adjust if needed and it should be good for at least a month. The bigger wick may last longer since this is my usual vape and the problem it's had around a month has been it chokes off.

Eventually I'll open the wick hole on my other T2 but that has flavorless in it right now so no real need to dry burn means that wick/coil isn't needing changed.

Go to a KF because it's the new fad? Seems like it would be a step backwards to me.

 

[WattWick]

Think it took me a good two weeks to figure it out. Not all day, every day, mind you. 2-4 failed attempts, then leave it for a day or more. My driving force was not being too fond of cartos (which usually worked), and being quite ...... at clearomizers (CE4/Vivi Nova) for requiring so much fiddling and mocking about to keep them going. I saw it as an investment. Annoying to learn; rumored to be very little maintenance once you've got it going. The rumors held true. With ~5 gennies in some state of use, I spend maybe 10 minutes a week on maintenance; total. Dry burn. Quick PG rinse, re-fill, good to go.

To prep my wicks, I soak them in e-liquid and set them on fire. Hold it vertically and let the flame slowly burn its way down. Then install, wrap, pulse, maybe poke --> good to go. I usually drip some liquid on it and vape it off before filling the tank. Some hotspots may form at this point. Once they're sorted, it's fairly bullet proof. That's just how I do it. Seems every genny user has their own way of doing it. End result is more or less the same, tho. Wouldn't work if it wasn't.



"clicked after so many builds" (Myk) is a good description, imho. Doesn't really feel like a learning process until you've failed enough for it to suddenly work. More in the fingers than in the brain. That's how it was for me, at least.

 

[Vaslovik]

To be clear about it, if some people like cotton and Kayfunnies, and drippers I have no problem with that, more power to them. When they start bashing gennies and mesh because they can't build one right I have an issue with it. Gennies built right with mesh just plain work, and they work fabulously. If some dude is so impatient and arrogant and self-absorbed that he can't follow instructions and do it right, and then slags mesh as a wick material and gennies in general because of his own failings and stupidity I'm quite happy to take the arrogant butthead on publicly.

A great many of us are able to build gennies with mesh wicks and use them to very good effect without all the issues and complaints some rant about in the forums and on YT, and I've grown quite weary of their bashing of mesh wicks and gennies when the whole problem is how they themselves go about it. Obviously a lot of people use mesh wicked genesis atomizers built right and are passionately fond of them. Then here come those who can't pull their heads out and do it right, so of course they have to put the blame somewhere other than themselves and their lack of ability.

Such people are the chimpanzees of vaping and should shut up and stick to the low information vaping they are qualified for.

 

[chuckie]

I don't know how I came to my gennie building abilities.
I guess it just clicked after so many builds and a couple that took a long time of poking to calm down.
I really think people's gennie problem is a lack of patience (or all building problems for that matter).

My first one (Mini-DID clone to test the gennie waters) with ribbon wasn't too good but wasn't that bad. Then I couldn't build ribbon on mesh to save my life. I went with round wire for a while and it was good.
Round started lacking flavor so I decided to try ribbon again and that was it. Suddenly nothing with a gennie was a problem. Even went back to my AGA which I wrote off as hopeless for shorting. Round wire really isn't a problem to build now and whatever it was lacking isn't lacking on my Pulse.

I've come to doing a blend of torching the wick (but not quenching) and pulsing to get it good enough. I wrap directly on the wick. After pulsing and poking to get any bad hot spots out I vape a tank, sometimes with a lower voltage than normal if it's stubborn.

The only real epiphany I had was when I made a tight wick and at some point with the fill plug out to get it to feed I figured out the wick was too tight by comparing it to one that was working.
Today's build took very little pulsing and poking before I put some in the tank to get a carbon build up. No hot spot problem vaping at my usual voltage. Once this half tank is done I'll dry burn, adjust if needed and it should be good for at least a month. The bigger wick may last longer since this is my usual vape and the problem it's had around a month has been it chokes off.

Eventually I'll open the wick hole on my other T2 but that has flavorless in it right now so no real need to dry burn means that wick/coil isn't needing changed.

Go to a KF because it's the new fad? Seems like it would be a step backwards to me.

That's a really good summary and all true.
After a lot of fooling around I found a bit thinner wick rather than a fat wick forced into the hole always works best for me.
On a final note,those who haven't read the thread "all my mods"by Raidy should check it out.Lot's of great info from the inventor.

 

[mujuru]

Gennies arent dead... alive and well!



Edit: I primarily drip... BUT... when i want a tank, its a genny I reach for... not my Kayfun!

 

[Andy Thatcher]

KayFuns have come and now gone replaced by a pair of Roses. Still have a 91% but rarely gets used. Drippers are on top of a REO and E7 DNA30 but most the time geny user. Am lucky in that I have a range of rather nice ones but they are my definite preferred vape by far. Have a No Name No Tank that runs on mesh and is a joy on a bottom feeder. Anyway genys far from dead with the advent of Urq's non leaking designs as well as Sturms suspect they are going to make a come back. But hey drippers and KayFun folks doesn't actually matter what I like. You use what works for you. Genys can be a pain in the ... until you get to grips with them but once you do....they are for me the best vape there is.

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[BuzzKilla]

I tried that with GrimmGreen and he and his buddies just got nasty with me for it. I lost all respect for the guy after that. What a joke to see him reviewing gennies on YT, when he can't build one right to save his life.

arguing on the internet leads to nothing...

telling me a genny tastes like crap, while i am vaping my genny.... is hard to argue, once i hand it to them.

If they still try to argue their point, i just laugh and walk away.