Are genesis tanks dead? I've got a few collecting dust?

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I use ss mesh gennies. I love them.

Couple of months or so ago, I ordered Aga T3's. Gennie with the wick placement in the centre. My sweet spot on this atty is 28g twisted, 3/4 wrap, giving me 0.6Ω. 325 mesh, 100 mm.

I, like NEVER, have to rebuild these things. Which is good, since ive been in and out of the hospital for the past two months.

That, and keeping up with my choring, no time to rebuild, anyway.

Intrigued by rebuildable bottom coil devices. I used Protanks prior to my gennies. But i did not care for the bottom coil. I think it was the silica aftertaste.

My gennies are just too damn tasty. So i will keep vaping with them. Mesh ...
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The riddle, with SS mesh, that i have encountered is this--I can build a nice coil, that looks terrific on the dry fire. Add juice, and my setup will not wick.
I like sub-ohm builds, because of their vape, and fast response time.
If i use too much mesh, the vapor production is off, with no throat hit. Too little mesh, dry hits.
There is no user manual with these devices, that suggest to the user, amount of wicking vs coil resistance. I think that this is what lead people to get fed up with gennies.
You have to be alittle OCD, and rather patient, to get the hang of gennies. This patience will pay off. I promise.


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If anyone would be so kind as to point me to a nice tutorial for the Kracken, I'll be happy to revive mine. I liked the taste I got out of a cotton build on it, but cotton does leak when it's on the side. I'd love to be able to get a real build on it, with mesh, but I'm a bit afraid of the shorting and hot spots I've been reading about. I would prefer one that isn't a video, since if I'm reading it I can just go back to the spot I want to reread, rather then search through a video. I'm old fashioned this way.
 

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all gennies are the basic same design....

just follow any one that is easy for you to follow.

hot spots on a fresh build are inevitable, and you just have to learn to eliminate them.

just follow a video, the pause button is a handy tool.

What seems to be the difficult part to learn, is how to oxidize the mesh to prevent shorts. I see posts around with people needing to douse with juice, then burn, then quench with juice, then burn again.... I may try it with the mesh that it came with one day...
 

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The riddle, with SS mesh, that i have encountered is this--I can build a nice coil, that looks terrific on the dry fire. Add juice, and my setup will not wick.
I like sub-ohm builds, because of their vape, and fast response time.
If i use too much mesh, the vapor production is off, with no throat hit. Too little mesh, dry hits.
There is no user manual with these devices, that suggest to the user, amount of wicking vs coil resistance. I think that this is what lead people to get fed up with gennies.
You have to be alittle OCD, and rather patient, to get the hang of gennies. This patience will pay off. I promise.


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With the huge wick hole of the TD (converted to single) I'm going to be doing some experimenting. I already knew my standard mesh squares didn't make thick enough tubes to hold the liquid in (as a dual they literally dumped the tank if laid down). A single with 75mm (I think) wide holds it back but I got to wondering if thicker walls would wick more or less, or if possibly thicker walls would simply hold more.
It just takes so long between builds experimenting takes time.

Sorry to hear about your hospital problems. I was just there and happy to be told pneumonia because I was thinking NG tube and possibly gut surgery so an hour and a half of antibiotics and going home was a relief.


If anyone would be so kind as to point me to a nice tutorial for the Kracken, I'll be happy to revive mine. I liked the taste I got out of a cotton build on it, but cotton does leak when it's on the side. I'd love to be able to get a real build on it, with mesh, but I'm a bit afraid of the shorting and hot spots I've been reading about. I would prefer one that isn't a video, since if I'm reading it I can just go back to the spot I want to reread, rather then search through a video. I'm old fashioned this way.

My Kraken took some modifying. They did good allowing you to plug the 2nd wick hole (with some clones) but not having the fill hole plugged (in mine) means it's going to leak when laid down. The hole was too big for a carto plug and too small for an RSST plug. I opened it up to take an RSST plug.
Then because I like ribbon I need more room between the wick and post to get a twist in the wire so I cut down the washers.
I had bad deck screws that wouldn't capture the negative leg so I had to make a washer for that.
And I opened the wick hole because I've learned I like bigger wick diameters.

About the only thing special to the Kraken I've found is after you get the wire trapped in the washers grab them with a pair of pliers to keep them from spinning while you tighten the screw.

I don't know of any written tutorials. A picture is worth 1000 words, a video is worth 100,000. I'd watch all the different styles of mesh building you can. That should give you enough ideas to know what to try next when something isn't working.
There's anywhere from wrap the wick and just pulse to torch and dunk and wrap over rolling papers to get a build up. Somewhere in those extremes should work.
 

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The riddle, with SS mesh, that i have encountered is this--I can build a nice coil, that looks terrific on the dry fire. Add juice, and my setup will not wick.
I like sub-ohm builds, because of their vape, and fast response time.
If i use too much mesh, the vapor production is off, with no throat hit. Too little mesh, dry hits.
There is no user manual with these devices, that suggest to the user, amount of wicking vs coil resistance. I think that this is what lead people to get fed up with gennies.
You have to be alittle OCD, and rather patient, to get the hang of gennies. This patience will pay off. I promise.


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What kind of genny are you using, and how much mesh? For my RSST I cut a piece of mesh 3 in. x 1 3/8 in., torch it well on both sides, do the thin fold-over on the end I'm rolling toward, and roll it up tight, not tubular, dip it in juice, burn that off, twice, roll it tight again, and coil it. With 26 kanthal it comes out to .7 ohm, and works very well for me.
 

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for anyone having trouble building gennies with hotspots/hot legs/shorts/etc

look up on youtube 'petar k method'

there's various videos by different people on how to build it. no need for pre oxidizing, and it is very easy.

I started out building gennies by the Petar K method, and still do to this day. Coil the wire on a drill bit, and mount it. Pull the bit out. Fire it a couple times, to 'set' the coil. Roll the mesh to fit the coil, and slide it down through. Pulse, until everything glows evenly.
 

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My Kraken took some modifying. They did good allowing you to plug the 2nd wick hole (with some clones) but not having the fill hole plugged (in mine) means it's going to leak when laid down. The hole was too big for a carto plug and too small for an RSST plug. I opened it up to take an RSST plug.

I use the plastic needle nose tip from juice bottles to plug up a couple of my gennies. Those tips bevel at the base, so they fit lots of different hole sizes. Plus, they aren't 100% closed off, just narrow enough to not let liquids out unless pressure is applied. You know... the kind of tip that requires a good amount of pressure on the bottle. The semi-annoying kind.
 

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for anyone having trouble building gennies with hotspots/hot legs/shorts/etc

look up on youtube 'petar k method'

there's various videos by different people on how to build it. no need for pre oxidizing, and it is very easy.

I had chronic hot spots with it because it came out too loose. But it did get me some experience not oxidizing and in tightening loose spots.
That's what I mean about watch all different methods, find what works for you from all of them.
 

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What kind of genny are you using, and how much mesh? For my RSST I cut a piece of mesh 3 in. x 1 3/8 in., torch it well on both sides, do the thin fold-over on the end I'm rolling toward, and roll it up tight, not tubular, dip it in juice, burn that off, twice, roll it tight again, and coil it. With 26 kanthal it comes out to .7 ohm, and works very well for me.

Aga T3. 325 mesh,100mm. I roll it on an Allen key. Cant remember the size of the key. It is easiest to add juice to this atty, by sticking the syringe needle down through the centre of the wick. On this setup, i leave the fill screw out. The fill port is teeny on the T3. My builds on this atty have been chuffing along nicely for about a month!


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With the huge wick hole of the TD (converted to single) I'm going to be doing some experimenting. I already knew my standard mesh squares didn't make thick enough tubes to hold the liquid in (as a dual they literally dumped the tank if laid down). A single with 75mm (I think) wide holds it back but I got to wondering if thicker walls would wick more or less, or if possibly thicker walls would simply hold more.
It just takes so long between builds experimenting takes time.

Sorry to hear about your hospital problems. I was just there and happy to be told pneumonia because I was thinking NG tube and possibly gut surgery so an hour and a half of antibiotics and going home was a relief.




My Kraken took some modifying. They did good allowing you to plug the 2nd wick hole (with some clones) but not having the fill hole plugged (in mine) means it's going to leak when laid down. The hole was too big for a carto plug and too small for an RSST plug. I opened it up to take an RSST plug.
Then because I like ribbon I need more room between the wick and post to get a twist in the wire so I cut down the washers.
I had bad deck screws that wouldn't capture the negative leg so I had to make a washer for that.
And I opened the wick hole because I've learned I like bigger wick diameters.

About the only thing special to the Kraken I've found is after you get the wire trapped in the washers grab them with a pair of pliers to keep them from spinning while you tighten the screw.

I don't know of any written tutorials. A picture is worth 1000 words, a video is worth 100,000. I'd watch all the different styles of mesh building you can. That should give you enough ideas to know what to try next when something isn't working.
There's anywhere from wrap the wick and just pulse to torch and dunk and wrap over rolling papers to get a build up. Somewhere in those extremes should work.

I could not get a good build on the TD. I could get the coils to light up nice and even, by using one piece of wire, attaching this to the top pos connection, then wrapping each side down, and attaching the neg screws.
However, with a dual coil setup, the build would ohm out too low; the deck of my atty would turn into a frying pan for my juice.

For a dual coil gennie build, imo, the Kraken works very nicely.

My bathtub sprung a leak today, and the drain started to leak into my foyer. My house is a metaphor for what my body is turning out to be. Glad to hear that you are on the mend, Myk!!


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Well, I've spent a little over a week with my Kraken, and it's been quite a adventure. The initial (from factory) setup was all but useless. So I pulled it apart of started playing with the mesh wicks and coils and got frustrated with the hot spots and hot legs and all the other stuff people complain about on these and tried it with a single coil and cotton.. and it was.. ok....
BUT.. I was determined to get this thing right. Had a guy at a local vape shop work over the airway, and after wasting several pieces of mesh and a lot of Kanthal, today while on my lunch break at work, I managed to get a build that I am totally stoked over... Looks like I'm gonna need to buy some ss mesh soon.. :vapor:
 
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I could not get a good build on the TD. I could get the coils to light up nice and even, by using one piece of wire, attaching this to the top pos connection, then wrapping each side down, and attaching the neg screws.
However, with a dual coil setup, the build would ohm out too low; the deck of my atty would turn into a frying pan for my juice.

For a dual coil gennie build, imo, the Kraken works very nicely.

My bathtub sprung a leak today, and the drain started to leak into my foyer. My house is a metaphor for what my body is turning out to be. Glad to hear that you are on the mend, Myk!!


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I decided I don't like duals for gennies. I already knew I didn't like duals with mesh, trying to dry burn two and then figuring out where the short is was too much.
I use VV/VW and was able to get builds that came out to 1.2Ω-1.5Ω. Stacking would produce enough voltage to heat them. But it was too much for my all the time vaping. Then there's the issue of 2 wicks leaking when set down, I never tried solid wicks but my ceramics had that problem too so I don't think it would've helped.

I don't even like duals in drippers that much. Other than impressing the kids at the vape shop with a VV/VW cloud chaser (they're all sub-ohm mechs and afraid of stacking in VV/VW designed for it) I think I'd rather go with twisted ribbon for flavor.

On the mend for pneumonia but the antibiotics put me into a flare. A friend is turning 49 this week. I'm going to mention how my health took a nose dive at 49 and I became tied to doctors offices.
 

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The thing about dual coils, is that the build is a juice hog . I honestly ended up building them simply for the sake of building--to see if i could pull it off.

I did a really nice U wick, on the Aga-S. I think that next winter, when i am stuck indoors, i am going to order mesh from Kidney Puncher, that is cut on the diagonal. I can play with U wicks some more--they are pretty swish.

Funny, i used to skate left wing and defenceman on a hockey team. I was always after my mom to get out and walk, and stuff. Now she swims six times a week, and i am usually in my bed if i am not in my lab. Total role-reversal lol! I am having surgery tomorrow morning. And after i mend from that, i am going to start running again.


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The thing about dual coils, is that the build is a juice hog . I honestly ended up building them simply for the sake of building--to see if i could pull it off.

I did a really nice U wick, on the Aga-S. I think that next winter, when i am stuck indoors, i am going to order mesh from Kidney Puncher, that is cut on the diagonal. I can play with U wicks some more--they are pretty swish.

Funny, i used to skate left wing and defenceman on a hockey team. I was always after my mom to get out and walk, and stuff. Now she swims six times a week, and i am usually in my bed if i am not in my lab. Total role-reversal lol! I am having surgery tomorrow morning. And after i mend from that, i am going to start running again.


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Juice hog is one reason I don't like gennies as duals. It's what I use when out. I don't want leaks, I don't want to run out. But also all that liquid ends up being harsh on my throat. It's OK for a puff here and there and even good when my body is running low on nicotine but not constant use.

I just got a paper cutter. I looked at my mesh sheets and thought of cutting a piece diagonal but haven't done it yet. I haven't messed with bent wicks.

Good luck with surgery.
 
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