Are non-protected batteries safe in a mech mod with non-rebuild-able coils 1.5-2.0ohms?

[Will Cunningham]

I've heard stories about batteries failing and sometimes actually exploding. But I don't sub-ohm with my mech mods.

Is there any dangers of the batteries exploding (any kind actually, not just the Sony's, I just thought the 30amps might be safer).

So the coils would only be 1.5-2.0 ohms so is it safe to be vaping without any protected batteries as long as I'm staying at 1.5 or above?

I still have some batteries that aren't the 30amp and I just want to make sure I'm safe, or if I need to use protected batteries only or some sort of fuse in the mech mod for protection.

(I searched but most posts were old and closed so I wanted to bring this issue back up as I'm just now moving to 30amp sony batteries and don't know if the crappy Kamry ones or the Efest's are too dangerous to use. I really don't use the Kamry one's, they came with some mods, but I do still use the Efest 18350's in my K1000 for example and Efest 18500's and neither are protected).

If there are dangers, what can I do to be safer? Does the 30amp Sony's provide more protection than the Efests? I've never had any problems so far. I know sub-ohming can be dangerous I just didn't know if mech mods with the pre-build replaceable coils were dangerous.

 

[anumber1]

Protected batteries are mainly ICR chemistry. Not the safe choice at all. Most IMR (safer chemistry batteries) are not protected.

The Sony batteries are a IMR/Hybrid chemistry and if vented, should not vent hydrogen (therefore, no flames).

The Safer choice for a mechanical mod is a IMR or an IMR/Hybrid battery.

Make sure your mod has vent holes and you are able to test even manufacturer supplied coils for defects (Shorted replacement coils can happen).

That's about as safe as you can be.

 

[Will Cunningham]

Does anyone know of a case where a person was injured from an exploding battery? I saw the thread here where the lady's battery bursted in her purse or something with no injury. And I saw a youtube video where a battery was charging in a bar and caused an explosion.

I just wonder how common this is and if anyone we know of has gotten injured. It's just having these things near my face wants me to be sure I know all the risks and have the safest batteries.

So can a shorted replacement coil cause a battery to explode? And my new Sony 30watt 16500 (5's) are less safe than my Efest IMR's?

It just seems that if there were batteries exploding and causing injuries we would hear a lot more about it,
especially from government (and tobacco industries wanting vape's banned). And if the battery did go bad I
was thinking it would be more of a quick melting effect rather than an explosion with mod shrapnel.

 

[edyle]

I've heard stories about batteries failing and sometimes actually exploding. But I don't sub-ohm with my mech mods.

Is there any dangers of the batteries exploding (any kind actually, not just the Sony's, I just thought the 30amps might be safer).

So the coils would only be 1.5-2.0 ohms so is it safe to be vaping without any protected batteries as long as I'm staying at 1.5 or above?

I still have some batteries that aren't the 30amp and I just want to make sure I'm safe, or if I need to use protected batteries only or some sort of fuse in the mech mod for protection.

(I searched but most posts were old and closed so I wanted to bring this issue back up as I'm just now moving to 30amp sony batteries and don't know if the crappy Kamry ones or the Efest's are too dangerous to use. I really don't use the Kamry one's, they came with some mods, but I do still use the Efest 18350's in my K1000 for example and Efest 18500's and neither are protected).

If there are dangers, what can I do to be safer? Does the 30amp Sony's provide more protection than the Efests? I've never had any problems so far. I know sub-ohming can be dangerous I just didn't know if mech mods with the pre-build replaceable coils were dangerous.

1: If you don't subohm and you use mech mods, then you might as well use a kick in your mech;
2: "Protected" batteries have a protection circuit ic integrated with it because they are unsafe chemistry batteries.
"Protected" is just better sales pitch than "unsafe chemistry".
3: Use the high drain "IMR" batteries; these are the "safer chemistry" batteries. They don't require protection circuitry to be built in.

4: are there dangers of lithium batteries exploding? - Yes. That's why transportation of them is often a problem. Airplanes don't like them in the cargo.

 

[Will Cunningham]

Just seems that the battery would get hot and burn you instead of exploding. But idk. I haven't heard of anyone ever getting hurt so far. Hopefully I won't be the first!

It's just so many people said to get the newest Sony 18650 30w. I thought the 30w was to keep it safer. Well at least I know my IMR's are good.

Why should I use a kick? Will that just help keep the voltage the same when the battery starts to drain? Because I just buy 1.5-2.0 coils and I've never had problems. But I recharge my batteries before they start to go noticeably bad anyway. I use 4 different vaporizers a day and recharge all the batteries almost daily. And a kick probably won't fit with my 18650's. I have a kick somewhere but I didn't find it useful. If I have a tank that needs VV I put it on a VV mod. But for example my Kamry 100 with a 2.0 kick and an Iclear30 tank is a BEAST compared to all the others, even the VV's on higher voltage. I don't know what it is about it but I love mech mods but I'm still new to RBA's and don't understand much about them. ]

With RBA's don't you have to continuously put fluid in there? I don't want to carry around e-juice with me all day. Maybe they have ones that hold more fluid than the ones I saw while hanging around MadVapes. The guys there would have to put new juice on top every 15 tokes or so.

Thanks for the warnings and advice, I really appreciate it though. I want all of us here to be safe #1, #2 we don't want the government/tobacco industry to have reasons to ban them.

(Edit - wait, I think my Sony's are IMR actually so that's good )

 

[zapped]

Get some vape-safe fuses. These are designed to provide you with short circuit protection and fairly cheap when compared to the cost of a new face.

 

[edyle]

Just seems that the battery would get hot and burn you instead of exploding. But idk. I haven't heard of anyone ever getting hurt so far. Hopefully I won't be the first!

It's just so many people said to get the newest Sony 18650 30w. I thought the 30w was to keep it safer. Well at least I know my IMR's are good.

Why should I use a kick? Will that just help keep the voltage the same when the battery starts to drain? Because I just buy 1.5-2.0 coils and I've never had problems. But I recharge my batteries before they start to go noticeably bad anyway. I use 4 different vaporizers a day and recharge all the batteries almost daily. And a kick probably won't fit with my 18650's. I have a kick somewhere but I didn't find it useful. If I have a tank that needs VV I put it on a VV mod. But for example my Kamry 100 with a 2.0 kick and an Iclear30 tank is a BEAST compared to all the others, even the VV's on higher voltage. I don't know what it is about it but I love mech mods but I'm still new to RBA's and don't understand much about them. ]

With RBA's don't you have to continuously put fluid in there? I don't want to carry around e-juice with me all day. Maybe they have ones that hold more fluid than the ones I saw while hanging around MadVapes. The guys there would have to put new juice on top every 15 tokes or so.

Thanks for the warnings and advice, I really appreciate it though. I want all of us here to be safe #1, #2 we don't want the government/tobacco industry to have reasons to ban them.

(Edit - wait, I think my Sony's are IMR actually so that's good )

If your first priority is SAFE, then get a kick;
If your mods can't take a kick with your 18650, them guess what !!
Get a mod that does!! you need a 15mm long king tube; get a full nemesis that has all the tubes.

sigelei kick
Details:

•Matching with atomizer in a resistance of 1.5ohm-3.0ohm
•Variable wattage: 5W-15W in 1W increment or decrement
•POR: After power on reset, the KICK will get into the alert status if no atomizer installed
•Low voltage protection (below 3.2V)
•Low resistance protection (below 1.0ohm)
•Short circuit protection
•Match with any kind of SIGELEI Telescope, and most full mechanical mods
Note: Please take out the kick when charging the battery.

 

[Baditude]

All of your questions can be answered in the sticky here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/546143-batteries-chargers-multi-meters-forum.html

As stated above, protected ICR Li-ion batteries are not a safe-chemistry, and should be considered obsolete for use in any mod. Only IMR or IMR/hybrid batteries should be used because they are a safer chemistry and less likely to go into thermal runaway. A list of recommended IMR & IMR/hybrid batteries are here: Battery Basics for Mods

Most battery incidents occur due to unsafe battery practices. This would include a fire button getting stuck in the on position and over-discharging the battery into thermal runaway. Or carrying a spare battery in a pocket or purse where it can make contact with coins or keys completing the circuit and causing the battery to over-discharge into thermal runaway.

Not all battery incidents get reported. I had a protected ICR battery explode in a mod two years ago when the firing button got stuck in the on position.



A Kick can give a mechanical mod the same protection circuitry that regulated variable voltage mods have. You will also get the voltage regulation of a regulated mod - no drop off of your vaping experience as the battery voltage drops during use. The Kick takes up some room as it sits on top of the battery, so you will probably need to drop down a battery size (18650 to an 18490/18500).

Kick2

 

[zapped]

heres a link to the vape safe fuses

Smoktech VapeSafe Fuse

and a link to the latest model of fuses with a f.a.q page.

http://www.thevapesafe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=175

As others including Baditude have stated, a kick would be ideal but if you cant afford one these are better than nothing.

 

[Baditude]

heres a link to the vape safe fuses

As others including Baditude have stated, a kick would be ideal but if you cant afford one these are better than nothing.

Just to clarify, the Kick goes on top of the battery. A safety fuse goes onto the bottom of the battery. A safety fuse is quite thin, so a change in battery size will not be required.

safety fuse

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An important fact to know. There are protected and unprotected ICR Li-ion batteries available. Unprotected Li-ion batteries should NEVER be used in a mod. Unprotected ICR Li-ion batteries are often sold for flashlights or cameras, and not at all appropriate for a mod.

So basically, pay attention to the chemistry of the battery when buying batteries. Don't buy li-ion batteries, protected or unprotected. Buy only IMR or Li-Mn unprotected batteries.