Best battery for Mech mods?

[fortytoo27]

Would love to see a graph from a respectable tester with VTC5s vs Samsungs using multiple discharge rates, unless something has drastically changed in the last month, VTC 5s > All.

I'd love to see the same. When last I looked, no such comparison exists. I think there might be one with the vtc4, but I'm not going to look for it; and I know there's graphs on pbusarsdo's site with a comparison that includes the vtc3. On what are you basing the belief that vtc5s are better?


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[Sarin]

VTC5's, nothing IMO comes close.

 

[Claviger]

There is a discharge graph of the VTC5, look on redit. It handily kicks the VTC 4s ..., and the other two batteries it is tested against as well. The drop off rate from 4.2 to 3.8 is far slower on VTC 5 than the 3 it's tested against. Then from 3.8 down to 2.5 it holds a fair lead all the way down to 2.5 volts. Tested at 5 AMPS, 10 and 20. It doesn't however test directly against the Panny.

I'd love to see one against the 30 amp samsung and the high cap panny is what i meant.

 

[JTrain23]

hey guys, so when i got my first mech mod about a month ago i ordered some efest 18650's for it. i went with efest because they seem to be the most popular and i had seen them the most throughout the internet, so i figured they must be the best. after dicing deeper into the mech mod realm i have heard and seen many references to sony and panasonic batteries among other brands. what do you guys think is the best 18650 battery to use for mech mods? i would like to stockpile a decent amount of batteries but whenever i get some dispensable income it usually goes to new vaping toys haha. i would like to just buckle down and get my devices the kind of batteries they deserve so what do you guys recommend?

All I use are MNKEs or Sony VTC5s... However, that's because my builds are .5ohms or lower and I really like the performance of those 2. There are a few others that work, but I like those 2 best. If you are building your rigs .6ohms or higher then that opens the door a bit for some others.

 

[ConradM]

I agree with the posts in this thread. AW for 490 and VTC5 for 650.

I have 2 AW 490's and 2 more coming in the mail today. I only have one VTC5 because it lasts all day even @ .3 ohms.

 

[Claviger]

Similar experience. On a custom regulated device at .69 ohms using dual VTC 5s, I can go 2.5 days before I need to charge them when vaping at around 30 watts. They are at about 3.3 volts when I pull them for charging, but I could keep going down to 2.7 ish if I wanted to push it.

 

[HSKeaton]

Two questions?? How do you track a battery's voltage in a med? Is the vtc5 protected?

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[Tbev]

I'm assuming you mean mechanical, keeping an eye on voltage is an acquired skill, I do it by knowing how much juice I can burn thru before my batteries get below 3.7ish. You should test them every so often until you get used to it.

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[HSKeaton]

Thanks! The damn spell checker bit me.

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[Baditude]

Two questions?? How do you track a battery's voltage in a med?

An inline 510 voltage meter can be attached to the mech mod's 510 connector.

Is the vtc5 protected?

No, it is not protected. And it doesn't need to be because its IMR/hybrid chemistry is a safe-chemistry.

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or protected ICR?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries


*With the improvement of battery technology in the last couple of years, there is no reason to use a protected ICR battery in any mod. Safe-chemistry, high-drain IMR or IMR/hybrid batteries are the only batteries that should be used.

 

[anumber1]

Two questions?? How do you track a battery's voltage in a med? Is the vtc5 protected?

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The Sony US18650VTC5 is not a protected battery. Most IMR or hybrid chemistry batteries are not. They don't need it as they are a "safer" chemistry that will not vent flammable gas if they do vent (it is still possible to make than vent hot gas however if they are abused).

To check voltage, a multi-meter is a great investment. A 510 threaded ohm checker is nice to have also. I have a black box ohm checker/voltage checker as well as a good multimeter.

You pretty much need a meter or two when using mechanical mods.

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[Nat79]

Two questions?? How do you track a battery's voltage in a med? Is the vtc5 protected?

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I think this is where the newer vapers change their batts more than some of the vets here (maybe they also have a better setup as well). I also taste the lower wattage and their isn't the same snap crackle pop. Also no the Sony and most other IMR battery's are not protected. You will notice a drop in vapor before it drains down to that point.

 

[HSKeaton]

@Nat79, that makes sense. Thank you very much.



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[Herzeleid14]

VTC5, untill Sony make the VTC6

 

[Ryedan]

The Samsung 20Rs are the only 18650s I use, and they've been great.

I'm not familiar with Samsung. Are these the INR18650-20R?

 

[c-fut]

VTC5, untill Sony make the VTC6

What he said

 

[Warpigs]

http://altsmoke.com/aw-18650-protected-3400-mah-rechargeable-lithium-battery.html
EH IMR 18650, 30amp, 1600mAh, Flat Top

These 6 batteries have lasted me well over a year so far. I bought 3 of each.

 

[Baditude]

AW 18650 Protected 3100 mAh Rechargeable Lithium Battery - AltSmoke

I assume you are using the protected batteries in a mechanical mod, right? What juice attachments and coil resistance are you using on that?

You'll be safe if you are using factory-made coils (cartomizers or clearomizers).

Protected ICR batteries are not for regulated mods or mechanical mods using a Kick or RBA. They do not have enough amps.

 

[Warpigs]

I assume you are using the protected batteries in a mechanical mod, right? What juice attachments and coil resistance are you using on that?

You'll be safe if you are using factory-made coils (cartomizers or clearomizers).

Protected ICR batteries are not for regulated mods or mechanical mods using a Kick or RBA. They do not have enough
amps.

I use these also, /shrug http://www.madvapes.com/eh-imr-18650-30amp-1600mah-flat-top.html

I use these batteries = http://altsmoke.com/aw-18650-protected-3400-mah-rechargeable-lithium-battery.htmlwith the non-mech old school Silver Bullet http://altsmoke.com/starterkit/advanced-kits/silverbulletusa.html with 5ml PBC bottom coil tanks 2.4 ohms.

This is one (1X) AW Black 18650 3.6v 3400mah protected lithium-ion rechargeable battery. These are perfect for those using a Silver bullet or an Omega for long lasting battery life!

This is quoted from the altsmoke.com (the place I bought my silver bullet). I think Chad who made the Silver Bullet would not let any mis-information about batteries that should be used for the mod he designed.

I could be wrong though..................................

And just to add:
The Silver Bullet is one of the oldest and still known as a 'Work Horse' and just works! Feel free to check out the reviews and hear what others are saying about the Silver Bullet!

DO NOT use unprotected batteries! Also stacking batteries is not recommended.

 

[beckdg]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-thread-sony-vs-samsung-best-sx350-sale.html

LG is better. Fatter in the belly of the curve.

Samsung INR 25R too.

Which, btw, I was meaning to mention . . .. . One way to increase the risk of buying fake/counterfeit batteries is to buy the most popular, talked about, brands. (AW & SonyVTC)

What he said^^^^^^^!

If you're vaping at .2ohm, by all means get the highest amp rated battery you can find. The Sony 30amp VTC5 will smoke almost anything coming out of the gate fresh off the charger, but the LG and Samsung's will leave em in the dust for the next 10 laps. They hold a noticeably harder hitting mid range. (Based on experience and actual performance in vape quality).

Is there some objective evidence of this? No chart I have seen bears this out.

No... No evidence I can find either. That's why I added the disclaimer. I've seen lots of tests and charts on flashlight forums but I have yet to see extensive comprehensive tests that measure performance in a scenario that simulates vaping and focuses on the part of the voltage range we are most interested in. Vaporizers use power very differently.

I found this on the Samsung 20R's but nothing so far on the 25R's:
Test/Review of Samsung INR18650-20R 2000mAh (Green)

My conclusions are based on the fact that I have all the top batteries and have run them all on the same dual coil setup at .4Ω and observed how much juice I burn through before losing acceptable vape quality.

But when it comes to vape quality that's when I discovered a noticeable difference in vape between the Sony, Samsung and LG. I switched back and fourth between them for more than 2 weeks before making a firm conclusion. But it didn't take that long to notice. Anyone who has had the opportunity to compare the 2 will tell you there is a very noticeable difference in mid range hit.

I really wish someone would do the testing to back it up. I have the skill and experience but I don't have the time and equipment. You really can tell the difference when vaping. It would be really nice if it were formally documented.

source... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/567301-inexpensive-batteries.html

unfortunately, the sony vtc 3, 4 & 5 and the samsung 25R have yet to make it to the comparator... Battery test-review 18650 comparator

but they have been tested by hkj... AkkuDB

as you can see, the samsung performs better through the usable range since it holds it's voltage better. the extra capacity of the vtc5 is minuscule and out of the normal usage range on a mech.

and then there's the concern about the vtc5 getting extremely hot on a 20 amp discharge. if it can't keep within it's rated temperature (~140°F, which is hot to the touch) at two thirds of it's rated continuous output, how hot is it going to get and how fast during a short situation?

evidence:

Careful: in a continuous discharge, this cell will get extremely hot - up to 80°C at 20A, up to 125°C at 40A

source; AkkuDB