Are Premium Juice Vendors Taking Advantage of us?

[Fir3b1rd]

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That makes you angry, Oberon? Seriously? Dude, get more fun out of life. Damn.

People have their own preferences and they're gonna buy what they enjoy. Whether that's DIY flavorings or a $30 30 ml or anything and everything in between - and it's their right to do that. You sound pretty bitter...

This ,made me laugh so hard o wet my pants.

I came to the same conclusion of anger management issues last night though.
Hahaa
Thank you

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Who said they were angry? I sure didn't.

Well, ok... that one I derived go, the general argument,
"'juice is overpriced'.. I would make the connection that if one thinks an item is overpriced, the aren't happy about it. If someone isn't happy they are usually angry.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

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but thats a catch 22 people start DIY and the prices drop on bottled juice, DIY stop doing it themselves and start buying bottled stuff and the prices go back up

Supply and demand curve?

 

[mizunoboy]

The switch to diy e juice for me was very simple and driven not only by the savings but to be likened to the nutty professor by family and friends lol.I find it very gratifying and therapeutic mixing away trying different blends and combinations and the savings is quite staggering,vape on the mad men of e juice!

 

[alicewonderland]

Seriously dude mime were not deleted other than the one where I quoted you , its not that difficult stop before I start reporting stuff to mods...i asked nicely

just for reference. link to your deleted post and why it was deleted

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...dors-taking-advantage-us-24.html#post15292811


im done, thanks.

 

[hurricanegirl100]

Oberon said this This is why it makes me angry when I see most juice companies selling for so much.

Hence, the remark about getting "angry"

 

[AndriaD]

the ability to detect flavors is not the same for everyone....people who can detect flavor very well...are not crazy,or fools, or snobs for paying top dollar..People that are not that sensitive to flavors, are not dolts, or provincial,or knuckle draggers.for being satisfied with more modest juices.

Very true -- I'm one of those persnickety "super tasters" -- but moreso with scent, than actual *taste* -- if something smells bad to me, I cannot eat it, no matter what it tastes like. Tyson pre-cooked frozen chicken products come to mind; the only variety of those that isn't loaded with "filler" are the honey-battered breast tenders -- all the others are composed of misc chicken parts and filler, and I can SMELL that filler when I open the bag, and I cannot eat it, it gags me.

For a while, I thought something was "wrong" with my tastebuds; to me, just about everything I consume is primarily fragrance rather than taste -- I don't actually taste very much until I swallow it -- or with vaping, exhale it partially or fully from my nose-- at which point, I can smell it fully. But actually, I think my tastebuds are probably fairly normal, at least for a 7-months recovered smoker, it's just that my sense of smell is so much more intense, it makes my sense of taste seem... irrelevant. But with this sense of smell, now that I no longer have a noseful of cigarette smoke... I envy those who don't have this exaggerated olfactory sense, I truly do; my life would be a lot more pleasant if I could smell only about half as well. When I get a cold, I don't even care that I can't taste my food -- it also blocks out most of the stinks in the world, and for that, I am grateful.

Andria

 

[hurricanegirl100]

For AliceinWonderland:

I copied and pasted this from another thread. This is a DIYer, explaining his process in trying to clone Milk & Honey. And this is just one of his posts! This does NOT look like something that can be done while I'm "taking a dump" - and for this reason, the whole process looks complicated, time-consuming and just as potentially expensive as going out and buying pre-made e-juice.

And, honey, I never copped out of a difficult situation in my life. You have no freakin' idea...

Just completed putting this together late this evening. Will give it a quick vape in the morning then let it sit for a week or so and vape on it again to see if there's any differences/similarities to Cosmic Fog's original.
Here's what I've got:

Nicotine juice 36 mg (100% PG) - 16.7%
PG dilutant - 15.9%
VG dilutant - 50%
Acetyl Pyrazine - 0.7%
Banana Cream (TPA) - 0.5%
Banana Nut Bread (TPA) - 0.5%
Graham Cracker Clear v2 (CAP) - 2%
Malted Milk (TPA) - 1%
Marshmallow (CAP) - 2%
MTS Vape Wizard - 0.2%
Peanut Butter (TPA) - 1.5%
Toasted Marshmallow (TPA) - 1%
Vanilla Cupcake (CAP) - 4%
Vanilla Custard v2 (CAP) - 2%
Vanilla Swirl (TPA) - 2%

50/50, PG/VG, 30ml

p.s. He wasn't happy with the result. Said it was bland and he was gonna start over in the morning lol

 

[stevegmu]

Guess he didn't just put in a couple drops of this and that and call it a good vape...

 

[alicewonderland]

For AliceinWonderland:

I copied and pasted this from another thread. This is a DIYer, explaining his process in trying to clone Milk & Honey. And this is just one of his posts! This does NOT look like something that can be done while I'm "taking a dump" - and for this reason, the whole process looks complicated, time-consuming and just as potentially expensive as going out and buying pre-made e-juice.

And, honey, I never copped out of a difficult situation in my life. You have no freakin' idea...

Just completed putting this together late this evening. Will give it a quick vape in the morning then let it sit for a week or so and vape on it again to see if there's any differences/similarities to Cosmic Fog's original.
Here's what I've got:

Nicotine juice 36 mg (100% PG) - 16.7%
PG dilutant - 15.9%
VG dilutant - 50%
Acetyl Pyrazine - 0.7%
Banana Cream (TPA) - 0.5%
Banana Nut Bread (TPA) - 0.5%
Graham Cracker Clear v2 (CAP) - 2%
Malted Milk (TPA) - 1%
Marshmallow (CAP) - 2%
MTS Vape Wizard - 0.2%
Peanut Butter (TPA) - 1.5%
Toasted Marshmallow (TPA) - 1%
Vanilla Cupcake (CAP) - 4%
Vanilla Custard v2 (CAP) - 2%
Vanilla Swirl (TPA) - 2%

50/50, PG/VG, 30ml

p.s. He wasn't happy with the result. Said it was bland and he was gonna start over in the morning lol

you are basing one guys search to find a specific flavor on the entirety of DIY. You can make milk and honey tasting eliquid with far less than what this guy is putting in. Will it taste like the EXACT milk and honey this guy is trying to 'clone'? no, but it doesn't make the milk and honey you made specifically -bad-. For example you can mix watermelon (1 flavoring) with unflavored nic and it can be bland, add more of the SAME watermelon flavoring and it will taste more flavorful and less bland.

This sole individuals search on 'cloning' one very specific juice from a vendor doesnt mean DIY is as hard as he makes it seem, it also does not mean you can't make your own good tasty eliquid randomly dropping flavors into a bottle. All his post shows is that he failed to duplicate a certain eliquid that he was specifically aiming to make taste exactly like a premade juice he liked.

It's like people have said before, the stuff you guys are reading with what some people are doing is either taken out of context or confusing you to how non-difficult making your own juices is.

What this person is trying to do is DUPLICATE a vendors juice. ANYONE can make their own good tasting eliquid, they can put random drops in a bottle and see whether they like it or not, then save it for later, not every recipe requires 12 different flavors like this guy is trying to do. The difficulty this guy is having is DUPLICATING a juice, not making his own liquid.

for example my own favorite DIY juice is cinnamon sugar cookie mixed with french vanilla mixed with gingerbread mixed with some condensed milk. The exact ratios I only know, and I didnt do any in depth calculations or experimenting to make it. I just put a few drops of this flavoring a few drops of this some drops of that and there I made my own good tasting eliquid. Only I know how much I put of each flavoring in it and what specific flavor so only I can make this specific type of flavor, the only thing that is difficult about it is if YOU want MY flavor and try to duplicate it without me telling you what exactly I put in it.

 

[glowplug]

That's what you are not getting!
For 1- no one speaks for me but me.
For 2- when i pay for any liquid its because i want to. If something is not worth the price asked I wont pay it.
Being over the age of 18 and legally an adult I have a fully functional brain(arguable point for some) and dont need nor want an anonymous 'audiophile' speaking for me.
For 3- as of this moment the feds have not intervened in the vaping industry and if/when that happens we will probably wish prices went back to where they are now.

I dont understand how the concept of an unregulated free market system is so complicated.

I have read several pages of posts. I am a supporter of the free enterprise system. I used to own Toyotas. I loved them until I purchased one of the cars assembled here in the states. Lots of little changes that resulted in less power, noisier ride and parts just not holding up like the previous cars. Then the prices just started to go higher and higher. Result? The value did not justify the price FOR ME so I quite buying Toyotas...new anyway. I will still look at a gently used one.

Anyway, I buy juices from Nicoticket, Steam Juice and Sir Tasty Vape. The prices have a pretty wide range what with all the great coupons offered by SJ and STV. I love some of the NT flavors and I am more than willing to pay the price. I am not willing to steep my own NET or TA, nor am I willing to do the 5 vanilla beans extraction process that NT does. So I pay them to do it for me.

Those who say there is not R&D in commercial juice are uninformed. You mix a bottle of juice. It tastes great the day after you mix it. You mix a large bottle of this juice and by the time you reach the halfway point, the juice is just horrid. What do you do? You throw the remainder away and remind yourself to mix in smaller quantities. The commercial juice maker better have another game plan. I have juice that is over a year old from NT and it is even better than it was brand new. If it wasn't, NT would be in trouble. I know it is supposed to have a 1 year shelf life so this is a bad example. But you get my point. The commercial juice maker must know that his/her juice stands the test of time and the measurements better be precise. If I by The Virus today, I want it to be the same juice I bought last year. I am coming back because I want the same taste. Alice, seeing your mixing procedure, you cannot guarantee consistency in your juice. I want consistency, great flavor, a long shelf life and stellar customer service. Therefore I shop at the three shops I mentioned. R&D baby, R&D. I want it and I am willing to pay for it.

I am also a huge supporter of DIY. I have my supplies and just need to take the plunge. I disagree with you approach to DIY Alice, but I support your right to do it that way if you are enjoying the juices you make. Trial and error is good. I plan to start with some tried and true recipes, clones probably, and go from there once I see how the different flavorings act alone and in mixtures.

But I am totally digressing. I love free enterprise. Charge what the market will bear or a bit less. Price gouging is not possible to the informed consumer. If I can find it cheaper elsewhere, I will probably buy it elsewhere. If I can make it more frugally than buy it, then I might make it myself depending on the time etc. involved.

Those that want the business men/women of today to reduce prices and not make a good profit are dangerously close to socialistic IMHO. Profit is fabulous! We all want to profit from something. As an employee we want our employer to pay us well, foot the bill of our healthcare and give us all matching contributions to our 401Ks. As a self employed person, I want a large enough profit margin to pay for my healthcare plan, the repairs to all of my equipment when necessary and still have enough to plan for my retirement. If you don't like that, then go on down the road and do not engage in business with my company. Please! Because I will not listen to one little complaint or whine that my prices are too high. You are not my 'target' customer. I don't cater to you. I give quality service at premium rates. It is my choice, not yours. If you want cheaper rates, go find them and go with God cause I don't have one hard feeling about it.

Can ya tell? I have my own business. Yep. For several years now and I do not gouge but I charge a fair price for my work. I determine what is fair. If I didn't charge as much as I could, it is my fault for leaving money on the table. If you paid more than you wanted too, it is your fault for not moving on down the road to the next, cheaper company. Remember, you don't always get what you pay for, but, all too often, YOU DO! The main point: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I am not in business to run a welfare system. You shouldn't be expecting a hand out. I am in business to give a good service, but never forget for one minute, I am in it to make money. Like DUH, right?

 

[Robino1]

And we are done. I see that my warning did not seem to make a difference in how people behave.

Go help some new members instead of bickering about eliquid.

Thank you.