that's how all eLliquid starts out ... a couple drops of this and a couple drops of that
Are Premium Juice Vendors Taking Advantage of us?
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that's how all eLliquid starts out ... a couple drops of this and a couple drops of that
I will appologize for all DIY'ers if we seem "holier than thou." That's not the intention. We only care because the markup is truly so insane. It's as if all cookies cost $30 each and people never learned that it's actually just flour, water, and sugar. We are only passionate because it's an unsustainable problem for a lot of vapers. And if we all DIY'ed we'd have all those tricky clone recipes figured out by now
My time is extremely valuable to me (I'm a physician)...but having paid $60-80 a week on premium eliquids in the past, and learning that I can save about $300/month with half an hour of work, the math was simple. That's $600 an hour. I don't make that as a doctor. Also, it's fun. I like to cook, I brew beer, I roast coffee, and I like freedom and self-sustainability...so it's never been a waste of time.
BTW, anyone on here reading and responding to posts shouldn't be complaining about wasting time. Aren't we all on the boards essentially wasting our time? I mean, come on. It's a hobby, no?
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you also are contradicting yourself there, bashing DIY for not being as good as premium eliquids, saying what we use to mix eliquids is in china and all chinese product is crap according to you, then saying that US sourced and US made is quite different. You realize that we are making our own juices with the same products that premium vendors are making their stuff with right? Also no one here is talking about PRC... I have no clue why you bring up another irrelevant comparison that has nothing to do with the topic.You seem to just keep bringing up irrelevant topics or just the whole "its convenient for me" arguement against stuff no one is arguing about, and just end up bashing stuff you have no experience in.
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that's how all eLliquid starts out ... a couple drops of this and a couple drops of that
lol now that i look at that post again... that was kind of funny. All eliquid literally is drops of this and drops of that
It is your opinion that you are getting the same ingredients others have access to...
Some who buy from US vendors believe their product was actually made in the US. Two vendors I buy from don't have any ingredients sourced from PRC...
I will appologize for all DIY'ers if we seem "holier than thou." That's not the intention. We only care because the markup is truly so insane. It's as if all cookies cost $30 each and people never learned that it's actually just flour, water, and sugar. We are only passionate because it's an unsustainable problem for a lot of vapers. And if we all DIY'ed we'd have all those tricky clone recipes figured out by now
My time is extremely valuable to me (I'm a physician)...but having paid $60-80 a week on premium eliquids in the past, and learning that I can save about $300/month with half an hour of work, the math was simple. That's $600 an hour. I don't make that as a doctor. Also, it's fun. I like to cook, I brew beer, I roast coffee, and I like freedom and self-sustainability...so it's never been a waste of time.
BTW, anyone on here reading and responding to posts shouldn't be complaining about wasting time. Aren't we all on the boards essentially wasting our time? I mean, come on. It's a hobby, no?
It is the attitude of the "I'm better than you because I am not getting ripped off crowd"that gets old... Not everyone is poor...
that's how all eLliquid starts out ... a couple drops of this and a couple drops of that
Simple as that? No testing to see what tastes good and changing the ratios or ingredients over and over again? No mixing and 'steeping'? No trial and error? Wow...
I think people are more upset about the juice vendors making insane profit margins at the expense of, essentially, a bunch of addicts. We all need our juice and many people don't know there's another option our there. I've been vaping for 3 years and just recently found out about DIY, for example. That's the biggest reason we are passionate about spreading the word. The next reason is that if there was more awareness, maybe market forces would start to set juice prices at fair levels. Then we would all be happier. I assure you nobody is mad at you for getting ripped off, on a personal level
Just trying to help.
and thats how the worlds best beers are made too
a bucket of this a handfull of hops a pinch of yeast 
There are vendors surviving and doing very well selling juices even cheaper then $5 for 30ml. The juice I buy online is 15 cents per ml and is damn good. This is why it makes me angry when I see most juice companies selling for so much.
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lol ... not sure how you read that in my post?
However, I do know what it takes to make good eLiquid ... I've been doing it for a while now.
and it all starts with ... a couple drops of this and a couple drops of that
I think people are more upset about the juice vendors making insane profit margins at the expense of, essentially, a bunch of addicts. We all need our juice and many people don't know there's another option our there. I've been vaping for 3 years and just recently found out about DIY, for example. That's the biggest reason we are passionate about spreading the word. The next reason is that if there was more awareness, maybe market forces would start to set juice prices at fair levels. Then we would all be happier. I assure you nobody is mad at you for getting ripped off, on a personal level
but thats a catch 22 people start DIY and the prices drop on bottled juice, DIY stop doing it themselves and start buying bottled stuff and the prices go back up
I will add...just to emphasize...it's the extreme degree of price discrepancy that gets us up in arms. I have an espresso machine and can make a caramel latte at home for $0.50 a cup, but I still go to starbucks on occasion, and I'm certainly not angry about those places existing, or think I'm "holier" than those who regularly shell out $4.00 a cup. But if they were paying $40 a cup, then I'd be making the same argument I am here.
Not really. It's market economics...everything comes to an equilibrium. Profit margins don't need to exceed several hundred percent, ever. Some of the juice companies might go out of business, who knows, but there would always be someone willing to make juice and sell it for what people are willing to pay.
I think some of you are missing the point that not all premium vendors use flavorings purchased elsewhere. Some vendors extract their own and mix their flavorings up in house. That takes a little more time than just a few drops here or there...just throwing that out there. I also think that there are just some folks out there who don't enjoy mixing their own liquids and prefer purchasing them made by other people. It's no big deal, purchase juice or DIY as long as y'all have flavors you like, then I don't see the problem there. I'd never tell someone who purchased premium juice that they are throwing their money away or call them foolish. I buy a few premium juices. I would also never tell a DIY person that they are foolish for wasting their time. I DIY because it's a hobby of mine. Just like cooking or reading. However, I do take issue with the companies who purchase the same flavorings that I have access to charging the same prices as those that make their own extracts in house. I think there is a vast difference in skill level there. I don't think it's fair that they don't put in the effort and then receive the same rewards. It just doesn't seem right to me.
I think that was taken care of in an earlier post where those rare 'special' premium eliquids are justified. some people are still arguing that all premium eliquids are worth it and just because they can afford to pay the insane 1000%+ markup, there is nothing wrong with it to them, which people also agreed on. What people are missing is the whole fact that not the entire world is exactly like them, and the fact that no matter what makes you feel better for purchasing certain brands you can justify it any which way you want to, that 1000%+ markup is still ridiculous and still exists and some vendors are just making huge profit margins on the misinformed/uninformed. Whether you personally feel priced gouged or not doesnt make any difference, because some of those juices are just mixing premade simple stuff to begin with then marking it up to 20$+ for something basic, in those cases yes you are being price gouged whether you want to admit it or not.
It's a fact that all premium priced juices are not equal, and most(not all) are overpriced for being simple and cheap. That is the only thing that is being stated here in this thread, but people are arguing over other stuff about how someone apparently called someone else getting ripped off, or how other things like pizza or beer is expensive, or how they can justify themselves spending big money on other things and not feel bad. It just sounds so irrelevant, none of these arguements have anything to do with price gouging. If you want to pay high prices for low effort production materials then that is your choice, that is what people are arguing about, not all premium eliquids are high quality as most people would suspect.
vendor x sells 3 different type of liquids
1. some rare exotic housemade blend with housemade extracts
2. some juice that tastes like another vendors rare housemade blend
3. apple pie
problem here? all 3 cost 22$ a bottle. Now tell me, why do they cost 22$ a bottle? Because thats all I keep running into on branded websites, most all their juices cost the premium price whether or not it is complex housemade, simple, or just a copy. they list premium prices but not all eliquid is premium, just like all 1000% markup ejuices arent complex, the fact is the market is overpriced as a whole, it has nothing to do with your feelings or how you can justify buying it and feeling ok. No one is telling you to buy it or stop buying it. This thread asked if anyone felt like premium juice vendors were gouging us and people came here, provided proof, and said yes. This is not a thread of juice buyers vs premium juice buyers. I dont understand why people have to get all butthurt and come in a thread to defend themselves for doing something they chose to do.
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That makes you angry, Oberon? Seriously? Dude, get more fun out of life. Damn.
People have their own preferences and they're gonna buy what they enjoy. Whether that's DIY flavorings or a $30 30 ml or anything and everything in between - and it's their right to do that. You sound pretty bitter...
I hope vapimg stays the wild wild west. Once the gubbamint gets into the fray, we can all kiss innovation, and affordability out the window.
Question::: if the majority of vapors are not as informed as us as you say, and are unaware of DIY, how are they angry about prices being so high in relation to DIY?
There's really nothing wrong with buying "premium" e-liquid priced at 60-100x production cost, as long as one understands the markup, as long as one knows that tasty e-liquid can be had at much more reasonable prices, and as long as one knows that it can also be homemade pretty easily at a great savings. Informed decisions are personal choices that don't need to be defended, and you don't need to justify your purchases to anyone.
You also don't need to feel personally attacked when someone states the truth you should already know. That truth can enlighten others and should be celebrated.
And when one gets poor service like the OP did, one may learn something new, and be glad to have other options.
You also don't need to feel personally attacked when someone states the truth you should already know. That truth can enlighten others and should be celebrated.
And when one gets poor service like the OP did, one may learn something new, and be glad to have other options.
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