Are Premium Juice Vendors Taking Advantage of us?

[Oberon75]

Some of us who are less evolved can have the perfect vape without having to waste 15ml of juice a day... I imagine many didn't quit smoking to save money. I quit to save my life...

I'm not using 15ml a day. I'm using between 3 and 5ml. And regardless of how much or how little somebody vapes, the cost of the vast majority of liquids are scams. Saying you vape to save your life is no excuse to defend such practices. It's like defending pharmaceutical markups.

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[JorgeRodriguez689]

I figure if I'm paying premium prices, might as well pay it to a vendor that publicly posts the lab results for every juice they have.

I don't mind paying for that.

I currently vape VirtueVape and VoopJuice.
both located out of Miami, FL.

Virtue uses great ingredients, how could I tell? Because I'm asthmatic and can only do MAX VG juices.
Bad juices (nicotine, flavoring) irritate my asthma as soon as I vape them such as Mr. Good Vape, Ruthless, Ripe Vapes and the list literally goes on forever.
I have to do max VG and so far Voop Juice, Virtue (everything else they make) and LKA Vapes (Really good as well but Lisa bumped up her prices, more than double of what it used to be.)

Back to what you said about buying juice where the vendor posts lab results. I read something about Lab Rats and I actually want to try them, I heard they're pretty good, the 3 or 4 reviews I saw were all 5 stars.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm not using 15ml a day. I'm using between 3 and 5ml. And regardless of how much or how little somebody vapes, the cost of the vast majority of liquids are scams. Saying you quit to save your life is no excuse to defend such practices.

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Since when are things priced at what they cost to make? I paid $800 for my last phone and I certainly don't feel scammed. I have paid $600 for a dinner for 2 and didn't feel scammed...

 

[Oberon75]

Since when are things priced at what they cost to make? I paid $800 for my last phone and I certainly don't feel scammed. I have paid $600 for a dinner for 2 and didn't feel scammed...

That might be you. It's still no reason for juice vendors to take advantage of our nicotine habits. Luckily for those of us who can read between the lines and actually care about what we are spending, there are vendors out there who are extremely fair and don't need to charge $20 to $40 for 30ml to 60ml of unsteeped juice.

Want to know what's really funny about the whole thing? I'm actually finding many of these same so called "Premium" liquids to be cheaper at my B&M then they are buying directly from the company.

And much of the cost behind your phone comes down to marketing campaigns and paying celebrities to use the products. Especially if you bought an iPhone. And even then. Most people are buying on contract and what you paid $800 for, the rest of us got somewhere between free and $200.

Juice vendors aren't paying any marketing dollars though and there's not nearly thr same kind of R&D. It's almost all profit.

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[alicewonderland]

I paid $800 for my last phone and I certainly don't feel scammed.

thats how much I built my gaming PC for lol.

maybe if you value phones and cant build one you like yourself then i guess its worth it to you. The difference is eJuice shouldnt be valued at these 'premium' prices because it is not difficult to make and does not require training in a specific craft (Sign me up for E-Liquids 101 Class please!). ALL of these premium juice makers do the same thing every DIY does, just to a more extravagant flashy extent that is uneeded, you dont need to use beakers and measuring cups to get perfect ratios of flavoring, you dont need to steep, you dont need FDA approved grade A blahblah kitchen antibacterial wiped down blah blah. They do that sure, but then if its so much better/cleaner then why arent the people who are DIY'ing keeling over and dying or complaining that they can never find a good vape? Im pretty sure not all DIYers use beakers, steep, or have 100% sterile conditions in which they mix eliquid.

[/B] Ejuice is completely separate thing, it is not that hard to mix flavorings and juice no matter how many people make it seem like its some sort of lab chemistry type deal with flasks and mixers etc etc, you dont need any of that stuff. Any shlomoe joe can mix their own eliquids and have it taste good, hell, I got my bum ... broke smoker friend into vaping last year and he lives in someones garage and barely has any income and not a stable job. I gave him a setup and he makes eliquids with what small income he has AND it tastes good. If my bum friend who lives in someone in a garage can make good eliquid then anyone can imo.

All these eliquid makers didnt take any classes or hone their craft in ejuice making, they all started the same, experimenting and just plopping flavors in vg/pg. Its something learned on your own, and its frickin easssyyyy.

 

[stevegmu]

That might be you. It's still no reason for juice vendors to take advantage of our nicotine habits. Luckily for those of us who can read between the lines and actually care about what we are spending, there are vendors out there who are extremely fair and don't need to charge $20 to $40 for 30ml to 60ml of unsteeped juice.

Want to know what's really funny about the whole thing? I'm actually finding many of these same so called "Premium" liquids to be cheaper at my B&M then they are buying directly from the company.

And much of the cost behind your phone comes down to marketing campaigns and paying celebrities to use the products. Especially if you bought an iPhone. Juice vendors aren't paying any marketing dollars though and there's not nearly thr same kind of R&D. It's almost all profit.

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I take it you don't eat out, or go to Starbucks or any other coffee place...

The e-liquid I buy doesn't need the nasties to evaporate off before I can vape it...

R&D costs a lot of money. If I made my own e-liquid, I'd charge myself $200 for a 30ml bottle. My time isn't free...

 

[Oberon75]

I take it you don't eat out, or go to Starbucks or any other coffee place...

The e-liquid I buy doesn't need the nasties to evaporate off before I can vape it...

R&D costs a lot of money. If I made my own e-liquid, I'd charge myself $200 for a 30ml bottle. My time isn't free...

No, I don't go to Starbucks because the last time I got an iced mocha, I caught them using Hershey syrup.

And it's not just about chemicals evaporating and it's no different then steeping tea, sauces and chili. Or maybe the ingredients in your juice are more simple and don't need to go through a process to bring out their complexity.

You are obviously part of some kind of eLiquid Master Race though where your juice is worth more then my 18 year old bourbon.

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[alicewonderland]

I take it you don't eat out, or go to Starbucks or any other coffee place...

The e-liquid I buy doesn't need the nasties to evaporate off before I can vape it...

R&D costs a lot of money. If I made my own e-liquid, I'd charge myself $200 for a 30ml bottle. My time isn't free...

R&D of an eliquid? There is no reasearch and development you need to do... there are flavorings just made for vaping. want a strawberry cheesecake vape? add some strawberry flavoring add some cheesecake flavoring. bam strawberry cheesecake...

and i dont know what you are talking about nasties evaporating off before you vape it, we arent putting solids or anything in the eliquid. Flavorings are just flavoring suspended in a liquid added to pg/vg, there is nothing to leave to evaporate before you vape it...

i take it you havent tried DIY? Because it seems like you have some type of hallucination that its some big ordeal to make a bottle of juice that takes a research team and massive trial and error and time.

 

[VNeil]

Good grief! If I knew I could succeed at DYI I would. Nope still too lazy.

I could train a monkey to DIY. Surely you are trainable

You can keep it very simple. You can buy 24mg base juice cheap, and in various pg/vg ratios. Some places will even sell you bulk base juice at even lower, ready to vape concentrations. Find a flavor you like, get a 1ml syringe to measure accurately, and stick in 10-30% flavor. The best commercial juice I ever tried was Charlie Noble's Neptune's Nectar. It's advertised as a Banana Strawberry Cream, but there is more than cream in it, and I'm still working on it. But the point is that a little TFA Banana Cream and Strawberry Cream makes a very nice vape, and some variation of that has been my ADV for months now.

I think the key is to lower expectations. Trying to exactly reproduce your favorite commercial vape might be tough, depending on what it is. But if you can keep your expectations reasonable and just be happy with some nice flavor, it is really quite simple. As you get more comfortable handling the juice components you'll probably expand your horizons a bit.

 

[stevegmu]

No, I don't go to Starbucks because the last time I got an iced mocha, I caught them using Hershey syrup.

And it's not just about chemicals evaporating and it's no different then steeping tea, sauces and chili. Or maybe the ingredients in your juice are more simple and don't need to go through a process to bring out their complexity.

You are obviously part of some kind of eLiquid Master Race though where your juice is worth more then my 18 year old bourbon.

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Mine come already mixed. There is no actual steeping when it comes to e-liquid...
Bottled water costs more than gasoline. Not sure what your point is. If you can convince yourself your home brew is as good as commercial e-liquid, have at it...

You'd be shocked at what I pay for a shot of Chivas 25 at my local in Prague...

 

[Oberon75]

Mine come already mixed. There is no actual steeping when it comes to e-liquid...
Bottled water costs more than gasoline. Not sure what your point is. If you can convince yourself your home brew is as good as commercial e-liquid, have at it...

Yet I'm buying commercial eliquid that's every bit as good as any premium juice I've tried at $36 for 240ml.

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[stevegmu]

Yet I'm buying commercial eliquid that's every bit as good as any premium juice I've tried at $36 for 240ml.

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Good for you. Not sure why you would pay that much for juice you can make for $2...

 

[alicewonderland]

Mine come already mixed. There is no actual steeping when it comes to e-liquid...
Bottled water costs more than gasoline. Not sure what your point is. If you can convince yourself your home brew is as good as commercial e-liquid, have at it...

You'd be shocked at what I pay for a shot of Chivas 25 at my local in Prague...

it seems like you have the misconception that anything that costs a ton of money is worth it. 'if you can convince yourself your home brew is as good as commercial e-liquid' lol. You heard it here guys, all commercial eliquid is better than the DIY crap we make at home. This guy just sounds mad, just sounds like you are just trying to say 'I can afford it so screw you guys". Well good for you, I will still DIY my own delicious eliquids.

+ I honeslty dont care what you pay for a shot of Chivas 25 because its irrelevant and you just waving your epeen around

 

[stevegmu]

it seems like you have the misconception that anything that costs a ton of money is worth it. 'if you can convince yourself your home brew is as good as commercial e-liquid' lol. You heard it here guys, all commercial eliquid is better than the DIY crap we make at home.

You seem to have a misconception as to what a ton of money is...

 

[Bunnykiller]

R&D of an eliquid? There is no reasearch and development you need to do... there are flavorings just made for vaping. want a strawberry cheesecake vape? add some strawberry flavoring add some cheesecake flavoring. bam strawberry cheesecake...

and i dont know what you are talking about nasties evaporating off before you vape it, we arent putting solids or anything in the eliquid. Flavorings are just flavoring suspended in a liquid added to pg/vg, there is nothing to leave to evaporate before you vape it...

i take it you havent tried DIY? Because it seems like you have some type of hallucination that its some big ordeal to make a bottle of juice that takes a research team and massive trial and error and time.

you should try making a NET some day....

 

[alicewonderland]

You seem to have a misconception as to what a ton of money is...

my bad, you are probably so rich that you throw 100$ bills into wishing wells instead of pennies. I apologize kind sir, I will stick to my cardboard house vaping my 2$ eliquid,

"Thank you, sir, may I have another"

 

[Demiurgous]

This sure devolved quickly.

 

[stevegmu]

my bad, you are probably so rich that you throw 100$ bills into wishing wells instead of pennies. I apologize kind sir, I will stick to my cardboard house vaping my 2$ eliquid,

"Thank you, sir, may I have another"

I can't imagine many who have a job, who used to smoke, feel $20 for a bottle of e-liquid is a luxury. Convenience, taste, consistency are well worth it for me...

 

[alicewonderland]

I can't imagine many who have a job, who used to smoke, feel $20 for a bottle of e-liquid is a luxury. Convenience, taste, consistency are well worth it for me...

thats just it, its not a luxury and its overpriced. hence why this thread exists and why there are people on both sides. My posts were just agreeing with the OP that in my opinion, making ejuice is easy and therefore does not justify the price some vendors put on 'premium' eliquid. Making your own eliquids can be convenient, taste good, and consistent just as well. It is not difficult is the main point I am getting at here, and therefore should not have a 1000%+ price markup on something anyone can do, regardless of the total price, when you are looking at percentages it is a ripoff. In my personal opinion making eliquids is not a craft.

would you pay $220,000 for a $20,000 toyota camry?

 

[stevegmu]

thats just it, its not a luxury and its overpriced. hence why this thread exists and why there are people on both sides. My posts were just agreeing with the OP that in my opinion, making ejuice is easy and therefore does not justify the price some vendors put on 'premium' eliquid. Making your own eliquids can be convenient, taste good, and consistent just as well. It is not difficult is the main point I am getting at here, and therefore should not have a 1000%+ price markup on something anyone can do. In my personal opinion making eliquids is not a craft.

So is making one's own meals and beverages, but restaurants and coffee shops are everywhere...

I'm sure I could make an e-liquid I could vape, but why? I prefer the convenience; just like I don't maintain my vehicles; I go to a mechanic... Convenience is far more important to some than money.

It is like those on my travel forum who don't stay in the center and spend half of their trip on public transportation...