Are squonks dying?!

Timbo87

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It’s by definition rebuildable which means cheap. There is the maze and suchlike, of course which is a coil cartridge meant to squonk with. they’re rare though. It seems to be the only type that is normally rebuildable. Coil cartridges cost more and disposables cost ALOT more. You could, of course, run a maze or suchlike, and make squonking cost what coil cartridge systems do, but why? That increased production happens because the system boils more liquid, and some rtas drink juice. It’s what makes the, taste better. Even twice as much juice is still less expensive than coil cartridges though
By any means your not talking cheap as rebuildable coil, a rebuildable coil has a variety of factors whether you can call it cheap, I'd disagree, the liquid id say cheap, but dependant on coil type and liquid consumption of coil ,power, whether going single or dual or whatever preferred, a spool of 20-22 or 28 if you prefer mtl for straight round wire builds, I'd agree could be cheap to run, but soon you start looking at custom built coils prices can whack up quite significantly! Than individual needs to learn to maintain & clean complex coils to get best life out them which can be quite a lengthy process in itself especially in certain complex coils like interlocking alien, tsuka, mohawks and things like that, whether it's a squonk mod rather irrelevant, even companies made squonk like mod system based on premade coils , IE. Kangertech Dripbox, aspire revvo (had round wire plate in an rdta and Vandy vape did something similar I think with the maze), grimm green dead or undead goat RDA was a premade round wire coils cartridge
 

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By any means your not talking cheap as rebuildable coil, a rebuildable coil has a variety of factors whether you can call it cheap, I'd disagree, the liquid id say cheap, but dependant on coil type and liquid consumption of coil ,power, whether going single or dual or whatever preferred, a spool of 20-22 or 28 if you prefer mtl for straight round wire builds, I'd agree could be cheap to run, but soon you start looking at custom built coils prices can whack up quite significantly! Than individual needs to learn to maintain & clean complex coils to get best life out them which can be quite a lengthy process in itself especially in certain complex coils like interlocking alien, tsuka, mohawks and things like that, whether it's a squonk mod rather irrelevant, even companies made squonk like mod system based on premade coils , IE. Kangertech Dripbox, aspire revvo (had round wire plate in an rdta and Vandy vape did something similar I think with the maze), grimm green dead or undead goat RDA was a premade round wire coils cartridge
The wire from which coils are wrapped is a comodity item. It is possible to BUY premade coils but not required the way it is with coil cartridges that are just a coil and cotton and one is required to throw away the entire thing when the cotton gets dirty instead of just the cotton. Rewicking a rebuildable (which is the same as screwing in a new coil cartridge) is a third of a cotton ball. A fraction of a penny? Not sure. Coils themselves tend last up to a year or so of daily use. (I once made coils that had to be thrown away with the cotton, but that is because they were absurdly huge and couldn’t keep their shape) if you’re buying premade exotic coils (you don't need to, but I do because I'm lazy) its common for sub ohm exotic coils to last around 6mo-1yr. Compare that to paying $3 for a few inches of wire and a third of a cotton ball every 4-5 days (some say they work longer. They're being optimistic. You can vape a piece of cotton for a month too. Its just nasty and theres no reason to is all)

If you don’t think that is a tiny fractional cost compared to basically any other system and less than a nickel a day i don’t know what to do with you. You want to throw away a premade coil once a week thats your lookout. Few do though. And even then its usuallly STILL cheaper than cartridges ,which are cheaper than pods, which are cheaper than disposables, which are cheaper than analogs. I suppose if a person’s time is valuable enough the amount of time saved (several whole minutes!) between rewicking a coil and replacing a coil cartridge may actually represent a net savings. The break even point is well over $200/hr though and while some people are paid that or better i never have been so its never been a thing for me. If it is one might then look at hiring people to do other stuff for you one normally does ones self. If you've got, say, a personal butler, it may make sense. Ive never met one but i understand they exist.
 
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The wire from which coils are wrapped is a comodity item. It is possible to BUY premade coils but not required the way it is with coil cartridges that are just a coil and cotton and one is required to throw away the entire thing when the cotton gets dirty instead of just the cotton. Rewicking a rebuildable (which is the same as screwing in a new coil cartridge) is a third of a cotton ball. A fraction of a penny? Not sure. Coils themselves tend last up to a year or so of daily use. (I once made coils that had to be thrown away with the cotton, but that is because they were absurdly huge and couldn’t keep their shape) if you’re buying premade exotic coils (you don't need to, but I do because I'm lazy) its common for sub ohm exotic coils to last around 6mo-1yr. Compare that to paying $3 for a few inches of wire and a third of a cotton ball every 4-5 days (some say they work longer. They're being optimistic. You can vape a piece of cotton for a month too. Its just nasty and theres no reason to is all)

If you don’t think that is a tiny fractional cost compared to basically any other system and less than a nickel a day i don’t know what to do with you. You want to throw away a premade coil once a week thats your lookout. Few do though. And even then its usuallly STILL cheaper than cartridges ,which are cheaper than pods, which are cheaper than disposables, which are cheaper than analogs
 

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I meant to reply but got busy with kids , I think once skills ARE in place to maintain coil cheap rebuildables are, but it does time time to learn these skills in my mind time is also a cost factor too, I don't see how squonks 'specifically' are cheaper this is what I originally replied to, however as far as time go especially right equipment lot more efficient, mtl rda + squonk mod high gauge wire low wattage + 8ml bottle keep individual going for a fair while, which also means less juice consumption, unlike DL I've blasted through least 30ml today but even pod kits ESPECIALLY at stages mesh quality is today there are ways to keep cost minimum IF individual interested in learning eliquid or there are some companys that build mesh kits for pod kits
 

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lol. I figured it was something. I mostly just found it funny.

Squonks aren’t cheaper than drippers or RTAS, though they are cheaper than pods cartridges, and disposables. An RDA with a bf pin, and a mod with a bottle together are both larger and simpler than a regular mod and an RTA, so they should be, though they might not be. I just bought a regulated capo squonk mod for $5 new. but the RDAs weren’t any cheaper than the RTAs so there may be nothing there. A squonk mod is slightly more complex (and larger) than a regular mod, but rdas are simpler and require less and less exact machining than RTAs so they should be.

At the time I was thinking of them vs cartridge systems rather than RTAs. Cartridge systems win over squonks and RTAs at first but quickly fall way behind. It’s not as bad as disposables by a long shot, but it’s still orders of magnitude. I don’t know which is cheaper; pods or cartridges. Cartridges should be a bit cheaper and produce less ewaste (because the metal they are made from can be recycled). But, again, it doesn’t mean they are. Someone defended cartridge systems in this thread. I pointed out (or at least intended to point out. Reading it again it seems overly sarcastic and confrontational) that strictly speaking the math doesn’t work. One may be willing to spend more on vaping, and that is one way to get something for your extra money. It doesn’t mean that a=b though.

So points against me for being unclear and snappish.
 
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